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natural born Citizens: Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, Ted Cruz
Legal Insurrection ^ | 9/3/13 | William Jacobson

Posted on 09/03/2013 10:18:04 AM PDT by Lakeshark

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To: P-Marlowe

Three words in a legal document can mean all the difference in the world.

You should know that especially if you’re a lawyer.


201 posted on 09/03/2013 10:16:48 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Lakeshark

My study of writings and events does not agree with you as to eligibility basis of the three mentioned persons for POTUSA. Of course I recognize that one person’s history and civics can have a different take. Too bad that such situations can’t be in the same determinate frame as a result of a a calculus problem. I loved calculus.


202 posted on 09/03/2013 10:16:58 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Uncle Chip

Ted Cruz is eligible. Now get off the thread you big dummy!


203 posted on 09/03/2013 10:40:59 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Impy; stephenjohnbanker; Lakeshark; Cold Case Posse Supporter

So, here’s another scenario. A pregnant Mexican citizen comes across the border illegally from Mexico. According to those who have bastardized the fourteenth amendment, the child is an American citizen. The mother and child go back to Mexico where the child is raised until eighteen, or so, then returns to the States. After that child lives here fourteen years and becomes 35, is he/she legally eligible to be president?
Another scenario, that I think connects with that of Sen. Cruz. Pregnant Mexican citizen comes across the border illegally. She has the baby, goes back to Mexico and brings the child up in Mexico. That child, now grown, has a child that at eighteen comes to America. After fourteen years in the country, and at 35, is he/she eligible to be our president?

Today it’s Ted Cruz, tomorrow, with the fast growing Latino population, we will be looking at a Latino president who will have less connection to, and understanding of this country, than does the one in the White House now. I know you’re saying, “This fool’s crazy. This could never happen.” Well, after 911, I never would have thought the American people would elect someone with a Muslim; grandfather, father and stepfather.

I like Ted Cruz, but, I don’t think he’s eligible to be president. I’d like to see him try in hopes it would be challenged in court. I’d also like to see birthright citizenship challenged, but there doesn’t seem to be anyone with a case, and the courage to bring it.


204 posted on 09/04/2013 1:52:58 AM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: Razz Barry
So, here’s another scenario. A pregnant Mexican citizen comes across the border illegally from Mexico. According to those who have bastardized the fourteenth amendment, the child is an American citizen. The mother and child go back to Mexico where the child is raised until eighteen, or so, then returns to the States. After that child lives here fourteen years and becomes 35, is he/she legally eligible to be president?

Yes. According to the Constitution.

Now, that candidate is probably not a very good one. But the Constitution (sadly) cannot guarantee that all those eligible to serve in the White House are worthy of it.

The Founders seemed not to care where a President spent his youth, or they would have made that a requirement. They didn't, instead requiring that all candidates spend a proscribed amount of their adulthood as residents of our great country. Tells us a lot about their priorities.

We are of course free to disagree, with the perspective of two centuries' experience. But then the proper remedy for birthright citizenship (or instituting a two-parent NBC test) is to amend the Constitution as they expected we would, not pretend the Constitution doesn't say what it says, or pray for judges to rescue is from it.
205 posted on 09/04/2013 4:48:48 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Uncle Chip
Then when did he become a Canadian citizen???

I didn't say that he wasn't also born a Canadian citizen.

He was born both.

206 posted on 09/04/2013 6:32:57 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
He was born both.

Prove it

207 posted on 09/04/2013 6:38:56 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: noinfringers2
One of the points many have made is that the issue is not clear at all. I think the article shows why that is so. For a "conservative" to want to take out one of our best candidates over something that is not only not clear, is totally ignored by the demonrats, and has not one single court case supporting the "birther" (not using this as a pejorative) view seems totally insane to me.

Agreed, math is much easier.....

:-)

208 posted on 09/04/2013 7:27:29 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Razz Barry
Your scenario is really silly.

Ted Cruz was born of a US citizen mother while they were working in Canada. He has zero loyalties to Canada.

Oops, maybe the Canadians secretly brainwashed him with pro-Canadian phrases repeatedly put into his mind as he slept. Perhaps he will intervene to make the Canadians NHL champs once again, and ban Dudley do-right cartoons, and not allow us to make fun of them saying "eh?".

I know, you're now saying "this fool's crazy, that would never happen". Well after the Canadian currency became more valuable than ours, who's to say the kind of deviousness those canucks could force on us?

209 posted on 09/04/2013 7:41:53 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Lakeshark

Canadian Citizenship Act 1946 makes Cruz a Canadian.


210 posted on 09/04/2013 8:06:43 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: FreeReign

And I don’t mean that flippantly.

He was a Canadian citizen at birth by virtue of his being born in Canada to parents who were there legally.

He did not become an American citizen until later after the his mother heard back from the US consulate after all the paperwork had been processed and approved. At that point he became a dual citizen and that point was well after his birth and until then he was just a single citizen of Canada.

Had that paperwork never been filed and approved then he would have been just a Canadian citizen.


211 posted on 09/04/2013 8:11:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Yes. proof he wants to make us all subversive Canadians and force the NHL to give us a Canadian champion. He probably single handedly gave them the Gold medal against the US because of that brainwashing he received at an early age....

How dare anyone vote for him!

212 posted on 09/04/2013 8:20:41 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Lakeshark

Just curious but does anybody know the citizenship of his parents. Are they likewise dual citizens of Canada and the US???


213 posted on 09/04/2013 8:26:50 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

His mom was a US citizen at birth. I believe his dad was a Cuban who fled Castro and became a US citizen. He was born in Canada only because they were working in the oil fields there for a couple of years. Cruz jokes something to the effect that his dad would castrate him if he became a RINO.


214 posted on 09/04/2013 8:31:59 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: CodeToad
"What lousy Americans you guys are for not knowing simple law and history, not knowing civics, and not knowing the English language. Just simply embarrassing."

Your Alinksy tactics can't change natural law and the original intent of the Founding Fathers.

215 posted on 09/04/2013 8:53:50 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: sourcery

If I owned this site I would boot your sorry ass off the site permanently. Keep this crap up and maybe you will be. Have a little whine with your dinner tonight and you’ll feel much better by getting it out of your system.

There has been much discussion about this topic (for and against) and nobody got the ZOT! You must have earned it! For some strange reason you believe you nailed the truth whereas no one else was as clever as you pretend to be but I guarantee you every one of your points has been covered ad nauseam.


216 posted on 09/04/2013 9:17:41 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Lakeshark

One ,for the most part of life, has to make choices. As to this particular issue my choice is to hold to what I believe history tells me and shows me to be what the Founders meant by words and deeds. As a ‘birther’ from the beginning against Obama’s eligibility I hold to a belief that the strictest criteria for eligibility is needed to hold to the Constitution as I believe the Founders intended. I also believe such criteria are present in historical records. The birth eligibility ‘knot’ of ‘parents and soil’ fits my choice without any mental reservations or conditions.


217 posted on 09/04/2013 9:18:04 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2
My choice if he runs: The founders wanted a President with no divided loyalties against the American ideal. Cruz has NO such divided loyalties. Jeb, Christie, Hillary and every other rat has them.

Yep, your choice.

218 posted on 09/04/2013 9:26:18 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Uncle Chip

It’s been quite a while since I had a child but I seem to recall the hospital gave me papers that I had to file with the state and it was the state that issued the birth certificate. I know that my birth certificate was issued by the State of Pennsylvania. The hospital I was born in no longer exists so how could I go there and get a copy of my BC? All births must be registered and placed on public record. You disagree with that?


219 posted on 09/04/2013 9:37:33 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist

It’s something that we often don’t think about, so if you know a neonatal nurse ask her how that is taken care of and at what point the parents have a birth certificate in their hands.

Everyone that I knew had it or a temporary in their hands before leaving the hospital.

I would think that the hospital with all the data right there — parents name, child’s name, address, gender, date of birth, etc — would provide that directly to the registrar of births rather than leaving that up to the parents to screw up.


220 posted on 09/04/2013 10:11:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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