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Baptist Group Bars Chaplains From Same-Sex Rituals
AP via ABC ^ | September 6, 2013 | BRETT BARROUQUERE

Posted on 09/06/2013 10:04:55 AM PDT by don-o

The Southern Baptist Convention, which provides the largest share of active-duty military chaplains, has barred members from taking part in weddings, counseling sessions and couples retreats for same-sex couples.

The North American Mission Board, an arm of the Nashville, Tenn.-based SBC, also prohibits chaplains from participating in any services that would appear to endorse or accept same-sex

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1 posted on 09/06/2013 10:04:55 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

Good we need more, much more, resistance to the New Fascist Order


2 posted on 09/06/2013 10:06:50 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: don-o

This should be interesting.


3 posted on 09/06/2013 10:07:27 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: don-o

Way to go SBC and blessings to NAMB (No. American Missions Board!)


4 posted on 09/06/2013 10:08:19 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: don-o
Naturally, the Associate Press and ABC have it wrong. The Southern Baptist Convention does not issue edicts and commands that members churches and individual members of Southern Baptist churches must follow.

The Convention, by and through it's membership of individual churches supported by Messengers from those churches, may issue opinions and resolutions strongly encouraging or discouraging certain behaviors or courses of actions. The convention enacts these opinions and resolutions by action of the members of the SBC churches, not the other way around.

So for the media to say that the Convention is requiring this of Chaplains is just plain malarkey. But I'm pretty certain that, probably the Convention as a whole, and I certainly as an individual member of a Southern Baptist church, would discourage chaplains from participating in these ungodly activities.

5 posted on 09/06/2013 10:15:08 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Fido969

I believe the military will move to terminate these particular chaplains. Course, since there’s not a whole bunch of folks lined up at the door to become new chaplains....it might be noticed after a few months.

If you go down the list of expected issues from ten years ago....when folks noted all of the problems that would come....this was in the top ten. You’d basically have to remove the majority of chaplains, or find religions that only work toward total acceptance.


6 posted on 09/06/2013 10:18:10 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: righttackle44

So, my question would be, are the MIL-Chaplains associated with a specific stse-side parish/congregation?

If yes, have those individual congregations communicated their desire to these men?

Just my Lutheran curiosity about the SBC goings-on.


7 posted on 09/06/2013 10:18:19 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: zerosix

Yup. Kudos for looking after our interests and it saves face for the chaplains that they’re just “following orders”. I’m kinda sure that those chaplains are holding their pukes when they have to conduct this marriage nonsense between 2 fags.


8 posted on 09/06/2013 10:19:18 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: GeronL
the New Fascist Order

From Webster ...

"fas-cism ... a system of government characterized by rigid, one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, ... belligerent nationalism, racism, ... & etc."

If the shoe fits, wear it.

9 posted on 09/06/2013 10:20:50 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: pepsionice
"You’d basically have to remove the majority of chaplains, or find religions that only work toward total acceptance."

Or remove chaplains from the military entirely, which may be the end game for the Godless Obammunists.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

10 posted on 09/06/2013 10:22:24 AM PDT by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: don-o; GiovannaNicoletta; F15Eagle; .45 Long Colt; Buddygirl; Former Fetus; Bockscar; ...

Baptist ping


11 posted on 09/06/2013 10:33:57 AM PDT by WKB
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To: OldNavyVet

The shoe fits very well


12 posted on 09/06/2013 10:37:41 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: don-o
>>> The Southern Baptist Convention, which provides the largest share of active-duty military chaplains, has barred members from taking part in weddings, counseling sessions and couples retreats for same-sex couples. <<

Odd, we keep hearing from Baptist freepers that the SBC is NOT like the Catholic Church because it would NEVER tell invididual pastors what they can and cannot do in THEIR ministry, and instead uses a "bottom-up" approach where the local church has the greatest atonomy to do whatever they want, with progressively weaker levels of power at higher levels, and the national board being basically just a advisory board to "help out"

13 posted on 09/06/2013 11:20:10 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: BillyBoy

Maybe post 5 is more accurate than AP/ABC on this.

It looks like you have used your intelligence to reach the conclusion that the SBC runs pastors and churches like the Catholic denomination.

I’m trying to measure your credibility, so I will pay attention to the thread and see how your claim holds up.


14 posted on 09/06/2013 11:34:08 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Libertarians, the left's social agenda with conservatism's economics, which is impossible of course)
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To: BillyBoy

Military Chaplains aren’t in an independent local church


15 posted on 09/06/2013 11:37:20 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: BillyBoy

They can do whatever they want in their ministry as long as it can be rectified in the Word.


16 posted on 09/06/2013 11:45:02 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative
>> They can do whatever they want in their ministry as long as it can be rectified in the Word. <<

And who is the arbitrator of that?

17 posted on 09/06/2013 11:47:21 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: BillyBoy

There is no arbitrator of who can be called a Baptist (look at the fakes like Westboro). The SBC can, though, pull it’s support for this Chaplain program


18 posted on 09/06/2013 11:50:18 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: BillyBoy

In the end the local congregation. The Bible is not that hard to understand and should not be interpreted by a “chosen” few. If you are sitting in any church and the priest/pastor misinterprets or purposely changes the meaning of the Word it is your duty to call him on it or leave that church.


19 posted on 09/06/2013 11:51:05 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: max americana
Well yes, we Baptists do have complete autonomy with respect to individual congregations, etc. but we, the members, do get vote on various moral stances and also give many $$$$ in mission dollars to support our missionaries - that would include our Chaplains and already know that they are almost forbidden from public prayers ending in Jesus' name.

If Caesar demands officiating at homosexual "unions" (I refuse to refer to them as "gay" as they are anything but gay), I, as a Baptist, will vote to remove our sanctioning and payments to Chaplains who follow Caesar in this abomination!

20 posted on 09/06/2013 11:53:21 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: pepsionice
My nephew is a Baptist Navy chaplain. The only chaplain in Porto Rica.
21 posted on 09/06/2013 11:57:04 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (")
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To: BillyBoy
Hang on there Sweet Cheeks! I have been a So. Baptist for 72 years. All SBC churches are autonomous. There is No ruling order. Now blatantly go against scripture and you might be asked to leave.
22 posted on 09/06/2013 12:02:56 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (")
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To: Coldwater Creek

Yep, they could disassociate with you. And if they are the ones sponsoring your Chaplaincy, that could have an impact


23 posted on 09/06/2013 12:04:56 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Resolute Conservative; GeronL; Coldwater Creek
>> There is no arbitrator of who can be called a Baptist (look at the fakes like Westboro). <<

You are comparing apples to oranges. Westboro is certainly NOT a member of the SBC, and does not have any military chaplains (since they thank God when soliders die). So who is the arbitrator in the SBC that determines when a pastor is "going against scripture"?

>> Now blatantly go against scripture and you might be asked to leave. <<

Again, by WHO? A random member of SBC who thinks the pastor is going against scripture? How would that work? Random Baptist Christian in the military: I really think you should leave the SBC because you support gay marriage. Chaplin: No.

>> In the end the local congregation. <<

As has been previously pointed out on this thread, military chaplins are not under a local congregation.

24 posted on 09/06/2013 12:14:03 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: don-o

Well duh. What SBC minister would even think of participating?


25 posted on 09/06/2013 12:15:54 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("A hyphenated American is not an American at all." Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: BillyBoy
Apparently military Chaplains are sponsored or something by denominations. if that is the case then what happens when that certification is revoked?

According to Wiki: Military chaplains must be endorsed by a religious organization in order to serve on active duty

A military chaplain must be endorsed by a religious organization in order to serve on active duty. In the contemporary U.S. military, endorsement is a complex area and many different paths are available. This religious endorsement must be maintained throughout the chaplain's military service and can be withdrawn at any time for religious or disciplinary reasons by the religious body with which the chaplain is affiliated,[4][5] though provisions exist for exceptional cases.[6][7] A military chaplain's rank is based on years of service and promotion selection from the appropriate peer group. Each is identified in uniform both by rank and religious affiliation insignia that indicate as well the branch of service.

26 posted on 09/06/2013 12:23:53 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: righttackle44; WKB

You said it well, we (as Baptists) do not have a Pope, not even a governing board. Every member church is autonomous.

Of course any particular Baptist church is subject to be disfellowshipped, which rarely happens.

Thanks for the ping WKB.


27 posted on 09/06/2013 12:33:14 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: BillyBoy

This is how it works: each SBC church sends what they call “messengers” to the SBC Convention each year. Those are people who have volunteered, or been asked to go to represent their church at the convention. Any messenger can bring up a problem within the SBC church body: i.e. other churches which are preaching non-truths (and please keep in mind, these would have to be a big departure from Scripture — i.e. gay marriage is fine and dandy with God and that body does not condemn it and even supports it; the pastor is gay or is having an affair with a member of the church (although if the congregation is doing its duty that issue has probably already been dealt with locally), etc.... The church can be voted out of the SBC: messengers sent from that church would not be seated, funds sent from that church would not be accepted. In essence, the church would be no longer welcome within the SBC. As another poster has pointed out here, this does not happen often — but it does happen when a church goes heretical in its preaching/practices. (I’m thinking we’ve had this convo before, no? Something regarding Boy Scouts?)


28 posted on 09/07/2013 11:10:36 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: zerosix

Actually, they call it the NORTH American Missions Board now, but I well remember when it was the Home Mission Board and missions abroad was the Foreign Mission Board. I still call them by the old names.


29 posted on 09/07/2013 3:36:55 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: zerosix

Well put!


30 posted on 09/07/2013 3:38:03 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH

Yes, I remember the different names as well.


31 posted on 09/08/2013 12:55:38 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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