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Mark Steyn: Blunt words about Muslim backwardness
National Post ^ | 6 Sep 2013 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 09/07/2013 12:20:59 PM PDT by Rummyfan

In 2010, the bestselling atheist Richard Dawkins, in the “On Faith” section of the Washington Post, called the pope “a leering old villain in a frock” perfectly suited to “the evil corrupt organization” and “child-raping institution” that is the Catholic Church. Nobody seemed to mind very much.

Three years later, in a throwaway Tweet, Professor Dawkins observed that “all the world’s Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge. They did great things in the Middle Ages, though.” This time round, the old provocateur managed to get a rise out of folks. Almost every London paper ran at least one story on the “controversy.” The Independent‘s Owen Jones fumed, “How dare you dress your bigotry up as atheism. You are now beyond an embarrassment.” The best-selling author Caitlin Moran sneered, “It’s time someone turned Richard Dawkins off and then on again. Something’s gone weird.” The Daily Telegraph‘s Tom Chivers beseeched him, “Please be quiet, Richard Dawkins, I’m begging.”

It’s factually unarguable: Trinity College graduates have amassed 32 Nobel prizes, the entire Muslim world a mere 10

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To: CondorFlight
In fact, most of what they “did”, they borrowed from the Hindus.

The Mohammedans had Aristotles writings many centuries before Christendom, yet made little progress with his teachings.

Once Aristotle's writings made their way to the West, medieval scholars, like Aquinas, synthesized his teachings with Church dogma, resulting in the historical apex of scholarship --Scholasticism.

51 posted on 09/07/2013 3:35:39 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: IronJack

The guy who did the Taj Mahal was a Muslim.


52 posted on 09/07/2013 3:41:58 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: americas.best.days...

“But for those who haven’t the time to read the article, I offer a summary:

Moslems, they’re stupid.”

And inbred. “Deliverance” in the desert.


53 posted on 09/07/2013 3:53:16 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Rummyfan

Did they count Barry getting a Nobel Peace Prize?


54 posted on 09/07/2013 4:31:36 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Hmmm I don’t understand your comment. Are you saying FReepers don’t have a desire for learning or intellect?


55 posted on 09/07/2013 4:42:25 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Dysart

I think it’s simpler than all that. They fear muslims, but have no fear of Christians. A few honest atheists will deride Islam as well as any other religion, but most are too cowardly.


56 posted on 09/07/2013 4:46:25 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Rummyfan

Ah, they will now give all Nobel prizes to muzzlems for the next 400 years.


57 posted on 09/07/2013 4:48:06 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Boogieman

Yes, cowardice; it very well may be that simple.


58 posted on 09/07/2013 4:50:31 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: PLMerite

I didn’t say muslime didn’t contribute anything to ART; I questioned their contribution to SCIENCE.


59 posted on 09/07/2013 4:55:47 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

They renamed a great city, Saidpur
or Marthur to
“Islam-is-a-bad” or Islamisabad


60 posted on 09/07/2013 5:10:01 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: oldbill

“They did great things in the Middle Ages, though.:

In fact, most of what they “did”, they borrowed from the Hindus.

Exactly. Islam has offered the world nothing but death and destruction, as would befit a religion authored by satan.

61 posted on 09/07/2013 9:30:03 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Dr. Sivana
The 12th century philosopher and mathematician Averroes actual did a lot of good work and was a great influence on western philosophy (in a good way).

Aquinas called Averroes "the perverter" of philosophy. Also, the view that everything Aristotle ever said was unquestionably true and unsurpassable, seems to come from Averroes. That wasn't a healthy attitude for philosophy. Averroes founded the idea that there are two different kinds of truth: religious truth and truth of secular science. That's a pernicious doctrine which is seeing some revival today (think evolutionism.)

62 posted on 09/07/2013 10:19:50 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

Freepmail me, if you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.

Thanks for the ping twotone.


63 posted on 09/07/2013 11:42:26 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Aquinas called Averroes "the perverter" of philosophy.

Well, golly. I never claimed that he was alotogether right, after all he remained in Islam.

I'm just saying he was a serious philosopher, and has no more problems than guys like Kant, Hegel and Descartes who are considered important, if flawed, thinkers.
64 posted on 09/08/2013 12:29:54 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Rummyfan
What Arab Civilization
65 posted on 09/08/2013 6:46:26 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: TBP

Don’t be jealous, but I am going to a dinner next month at the Goldwater Institute with guest speakers.. Ready... Mark Steyn and Laura Ingraham.


66 posted on 09/08/2013 9:30:40 AM PDT by Hildy (Falling down is how you grow. Staying down is how you die.Oman go who so obviously killed her little)
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To: JLS; Rummyfan

Thank you for the ping to this very interesting article.

The thread also contains a wealth of information.


67 posted on 09/08/2013 9:57:44 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: IronJack
One of the earliest mathematical systems was developed by the Assyrians, who in turn taught the Babylonians, who passed it onto the Persians, the Greeks, the Egyptians and the Romans. Mathematically speaking, some of the greatest inventions came from the Greeks - for it was the Greeks who taught that a thing was not knowable unless it could be proved to be so. Also, the Greeks gave us the concept of the infinite and the infinitesimal. Babylonians gave us quadradic equations and Romans used the Babylonian/Greek discovery of PI and converted it into an architectural wonder with the arch.

The Assyrians and Babylonians had a number for "0". Centuries later the west adopted the Hindu symbol for "0". The Romans did not use "0". (MMII = 2002), but they had fractions. "0" is not as important in the evolution of society as fractions are.

Muslim contributions don't scompare on this scale.

68 posted on 09/08/2013 3:59:33 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: CondorFlight

The Muslims who are celebrated for preserving or transmitting and in some cases improving this knowledge were, IIRC, heretics who’d be killed by todays radicals.


69 posted on 09/08/2013 6:52:47 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Squawk 8888

Were there comments after this? I couldn’t find them, if there were. I am curious to see what people said about Steyn’s column.


70 posted on 09/08/2013 9:54:49 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
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71 posted on 09/08/2013 10:57:06 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Dental floss is too rigorous under the new standard.)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
Perhaps you prefer the more debonaire look:


72 posted on 09/08/2013 11:01:11 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Dental floss is too rigorous under the new standard.)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
Every true revolutionary has a graphic [with beret, natch!]

Viva Steyn, indeed.

73 posted on 09/08/2013 11:05:30 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Dental floss is too rigorous under the new standard.)
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To: oldbill

And to wrap it up with “zero”. Seriously?


74 posted on 09/08/2013 11:13:01 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: EDINVA

No, the Hindus gave formal recognition to zero, but integers were establish long before that.


75 posted on 09/08/2013 11:13:58 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Old North State

That’s right. The Arabs salvaged the remains of Alexandria, and later published the copy as the “Great Works”.

Islam was focused on war, not mathematics.


76 posted on 09/08/2013 11:16:34 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Well, golly. I never claimed that he was alotogether right, after all he remained in Islam. I'm just saying he was a serious philosopher,

Nah, you said he was a great and good influence on western philosophy. Actually we were better off without Averroes. And we would be even better off if we can bury the myth that moslems contributed something significant to western thought.

77 posted on 09/10/2013 8:08:22 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Nah, you said he was a great and good influence on western philosophy.

Yup. He created contention points that allowed the Catholic scholastics like Aquinas and Scotus to play off of. Moreover, his philosophy was tending towards pantheism (as often happens with radical monotheists, check Spinosa a few centuries later) and pretty much shows what happens to Islam if you follow it through. Perhaps I have a broader definition of words like contribute. Few of the famous philosophers, particularly in the modern era, REALLY particularly from Germany, made things any better, and yet they are worthy of study. I wouldn't include Averroes in an intro to philosophy class, but he was no dunce.
78 posted on 09/10/2013 8:16:04 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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