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Western Maryland secessionists seek to sever ties with the liberal Free State
Washington Post ^ | 9/8/2013

Posted on 09/08/2013 4:42:26 PM PDT by markomalley

The push by 50 western Virginia counties to secede in 1863, forming West Virginia at the height of the Civil War, was led by a charismatic store-clerk-turned-lawyer who famously urged his supporters: “Cut the knot now! Cut it now! Apply the knife.”

West Virginia was the last state to break off from another. Now, 150 years later, a 49-year-old information technology consultant wants to apply the knife to Maryland’s five western counties. “The people are the sovereign,” says Scott Strzelczyk, leader of the fledgling Western Maryland Initiative, and the western sovereigns are fed up with Annapolis’s liberal majority, elected by the state’s other sovereigns.

“If you think you have a long list of grievances and it’s been going on for decades, and you can’t get it resolved, ultimately this is what you have to do,” says Strzelczyk, who lives in New Windsor, a historic town of 1,400 people in Carroll County. “Otherwise you are trapped.”

Strzelczyk’s effort is one of several across the country to separate significant portions of states from, as he puts it, “the dominant ruling class.” Nearly a dozen northern Colorado counties are the furthest along, with nonbinding referendums set for November ballots. The Upper Peninsula of Michigan is making a move to join with parts of Wisconsin. Northern California counties want to form a state called Jefferson.

Historians, political scientists and the leaders of the movements say secession efforts are being fueled by irreconcilable differences on issues such as gun control, taxes, energy policy, gay marriage and immigration — all subjects of recent legislative efforts at state and federal levels. The notion of compromise is a non-starter. With secessionists, the term “final straw” comes up a lot.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: schism

1 posted on 09/08/2013 4:42:26 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

It seems like everyone is looking to secede.


2 posted on 09/08/2013 4:43:41 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

This revolution is based upon population density.


3 posted on 09/08/2013 4:45:38 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: markomalley

Colorado, Maryland. Like rolling pebbles before a landslide. This is looking interesting.


4 posted on 09/08/2013 4:46:55 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: markomalley

So many of these popping up. Colorado, California, now Maryland. Fair enough. Marylanders essentially live under the tyranny of the Bowling Ball Mikulski and her stooges in Baltimore who gerrymander like there’s no tomorrow.


5 posted on 09/08/2013 4:47:45 PM PDT by Viennacon (E)
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To: jeffc

There’s a movement in northern California as well.


6 posted on 09/08/2013 4:49:35 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: markomalley

You sure can’t blame them.


7 posted on 09/08/2013 4:50:20 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: markomalley; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Freak State Ping!



"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

8 posted on 09/08/2013 4:50:53 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: markomalley

It’s a really nice thought.


9 posted on 09/08/2013 4:57:35 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: markomalley

Maybe we in Western PA can split from the Philadelphia liberals too.


10 posted on 09/08/2013 4:57:41 PM PDT by eCSMaster (Palin was right (again)!)
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To: markomalley

Hey! “Strzelczyk” is my middle name, and even I can’t pronounce it!


11 posted on 09/08/2013 5:07:14 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: markomalley
maryland, the FREAK state, needs to have the western counties break off. Then maryland will be pure commie LIB DIM hell hole.
12 posted on 09/08/2013 5:08:14 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: markomalley

North Baltimore and Harford Counties would go too. Cecil County, also. Everything along the Mason and Dixon line.


13 posted on 09/08/2013 5:09:20 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: Viennacon
Vermont called it: http://rense.com/general68/secede.htm


14 posted on 09/08/2013 5:17:22 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: Salamander
ShamWOW!


15 posted on 09/08/2013 5:18:50 PM PDT by Daffynition (Life's short- paddle hard!)
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To: markomalley

Love how these historic backgrounders neglect to mention West Virginia wasn’t just the last state carved from an existing one, it was the only one carved out without the consent of an existing one.


16 posted on 09/08/2013 5:27:07 PM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: eCSMaster

Allegheny County should have a wall around it if that were to happen (Well, even if it doesn't happen, it still needs a wall around it).

Centre county is unhelpable because of all the LGBTABCXYZ studies professors and clueless coeds at PSU.

Erie county is being handled... sorta. GE is moving a huge portion of locomotive manufacturing to a non-union facility in Texas... expect thousands to be put on the welfare rolls and economic collapse... or they can all become Boehnercare "Navigators".

Whatever... I am pretty certain at this point there is a plywood shack outside of Lincoln, Montana that's in my future.

I also hear it's cool to wear grey hoodies now... you know, "for Trayvon".

17 posted on 09/08/2013 5:37:06 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: markomalley
Don't you enjoy the snarky, bitchy, superior tone of the writing in the Post?
18 posted on 09/08/2013 5:39:38 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: hal ogen

Hey, wait! Don’t leave us on the Eastern Shore with the commies.


19 posted on 09/08/2013 5:39:45 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: markomalley
God as my witness, if he pulls it off, I'm leaving Alabama and moving back to Allegany County.


20 posted on 09/08/2013 5:54:32 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: markomalley

Excellent. I work in one of those counties and live in another. I doubt it will happen, though.


21 posted on 09/08/2013 6:16:39 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: markomalley

Article IV,Section 3 of the US Constitution:

Section. 3.

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The semi-colon makes it clear that no state can be formed within the jurisdiction of any other state. West Virginia separated from Virginia, and then was admitted as a NEW state in 1863.

It appears that anew state formed by the juncture of existing ones or parts of adjacent states could be formed, but the State legislature and the Congress would have to be in agreement.


22 posted on 09/08/2013 6:26:33 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: markomalley

Can they add Harford County?...Please?


23 posted on 09/08/2013 6:41:49 PM PDT by cyclotic (Hey BSA-NOT IN MY TROOP)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I have been proposing that there are at least 10 states with cities like Seattle, WA and Chicago and Portland, and Philadelphia that have a disproportionate control over the other cities in the state.


24 posted on 09/08/2013 6:57:12 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the people. T Jefferson)
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To: Viennacon

There are only three communist jurisdictions in The Peoples’ Republic of ?Maryland — Baltimore (Detroit with crabcakes), Montgomery County (Berzerkely but with more money), and Prince George’s County (from whence I am escaping as we speak) — and the remaining places are conservative. But, the Evil Three are enough to keep any Rat in power.


25 posted on 09/08/2013 9:12:43 PM PDT by crusher (Political Correctness: Stalinism Without the Charm)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

This was predicted in the book, The Sovereign Individual. It’s a very interesting read. The authors, Davidson and Rees-Mogg, say that the large nation states will break up, and we may even see the return of political entities such as city-states. This will not happen without significant chaos.

We live in interesting times.


26 posted on 09/08/2013 9:36:36 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX

What did they base their prediction on?


27 posted on 09/08/2013 9:57:49 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

If what Antony Watts says is true in this article

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/08/the-climate-grain-production-relationship-quantified/

I could see this as another factor in that occurring.


28 posted on 09/09/2013 6:43:56 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The book goes back through history and discusses government and the use of force, how the use of force by various entities affects political organization, and what technology has done to sort of level the playing field in the use of force. That more poweful weapons are now available to smaller groups is why ragtag goat herders in Afghanistan could kick the Soviets out and are doing a pretty good job of getting rid of us, too.

The authors contend that approximately every 500 years, there is a major world event that drastically changes everything. Oddly enough, each seems to occur around the 500, 1000, 1500, and 2000 marks. The modern one was the fall of the Soviet Union, occurring around the time of the turn of the century. These major changes are always accompanied by chaos, so it means we are in for a bumpy ride. Governments will be toppled and nations will fall apart.

I find this book fascinating. The suthors are libertarian secular types, but I see the hand of God working through history as I read the book. It’s probably out of print, but you might be able to get it cheaply at amazon or a used book store.


29 posted on 09/09/2013 7:14:48 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I don’t think it was the fall of the Soviet Union that was the major event. I think it could be the rejection of collectivist totalitarianism on a global scale by most people.


30 posted on 09/09/2013 7:18:42 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

That is perhaps another way of putting it. The result is, of course, the large nation states can’t hold it together any more. People are seeing that their governments aren’t worth the cost and can’t even protect them, which is the primary reason for government to exist, so they are looking for a way out.

I think you will see more and more secessionist movements as people become increasingly ticked off at their rulers. And I do mean rulers, because the people who run government certainly don’t act like the public servants they pretend to be.


31 posted on 09/09/2013 7:28:41 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX

The Internet is helping people to see their leaders for who they are.


32 posted on 09/09/2013 7:37:26 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Thanks, that was interesting.


33 posted on 09/09/2013 7:40:34 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX

From what I have found on the Internet human civilization goes through 500 year cycles like you have mentioned. Definitely worth the time to do more reading on this.


34 posted on 09/09/2013 8:10:53 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: markomalley; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; Bigg Red; ...
The Supreme Court decision Reynolds v. Sims, which holds that both houses of each state legislature have proportional representation, is partly responsible for what we're witnessing today. In any state with a large, urban majority, both legislative houses are usually liberal/Democrat, withe the resulting political and economic oppression. If each state had one legislative house representing counties on an equal basis, the way the U.S. senate represents states on an equal basis, a lot of bad legislation could be stopped by such houses, and there would not be a perceived need to secede.

Maryland "Freak State" PING!

35 posted on 09/09/2013 8:14:34 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Major brain damage at UMES, but no property damage!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

The whole eastern shore would go if they could.
St Mary’s and Calvert county, as well.
Hell, EVERY county in maryland with a white majority would vote to leave.


36 posted on 09/09/2013 8:22:58 PM PDT by Palio di Siena (Even the liberal media can't keep lipstick on this pig.)
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To: crusher

Charles county is on the edge of darkness.


37 posted on 09/09/2013 8:25:30 PM PDT by Palio di Siena (Even the liberal media can't keep lipstick on this pig.)
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To: Viennacon

Maryland has long had discontent. Westerners AND Easterners. Eastern Shore MD made public comments about a decade ago.

We are not all liberal. Just totally dominated by Trayvon’s relatives and FedGov limousine liberals.


38 posted on 09/10/2013 8:59:08 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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