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UK Newspaper - Is Obama the American Gorbachev, and Putin the Russian Reagan?

Posted on 09/13/2013 7:55:57 AM PDT by ComtedeMaistre

On June 21, 2013, the Financial Times newspaper of the UK, described Obama as the Mikhail Gorbachev of America: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/9428c460-d906-11e2-84fa-00144feab7de.html#axzz2emZwGd8h

Over the past few days, Putin has proven himself to be the Ronald Reagan of Russia. I am not trying to imply that Reagan and Putin have the same ideology. I am only trying to say that Reagan was a great patriot who fought for the long-term interests of America, while Putin is a Russian Patriot who fights for the long term interests of Russia.

Putin has been telling the Russian people to have more babies, and the Russian government is paying Russians to have babies: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-04/in-russia-valentine-s-day-is-for-making-babies.html

Putin has also stopped the gay agenda in Russia, which is good for the children of Russia.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: gorbachev; obama; putin; reagan
In his New York Times Op-Ed, Putin talked about the "Lord's Blessings" and "God created us equal". Many Americans will laugh at the idea of a former KGB officer making reference to God.

But the Christians of Syria and other parts of the Middle-East are not laughing. The pro-Islamist government in Washington wants to see the Christians of the Middle-East exterminated. The Christians of the Middle-East view Putin as their defender from radical Islam, in much the same way as the Christians of Eastern Europe saw Reagan as their protector from communism.

All Putin needs to do is to go to the Berlin Wall and say "Mr. Obama, tear down your anti-Christian Federal Government".

1 posted on 09/13/2013 7:55:57 AM PDT by ComtedeMaistre
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To: ComtedeMaistre

Obama is the American Idiot!


2 posted on 09/13/2013 7:57:32 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: ComtedeMaistre
Putin has been telling the Russian people to have more babies, and the Russian government is paying Russians to have babies:

We might export our deadbeat welfare dads to Russia. Some have "fathered" more than 20 kids.

3 posted on 09/13/2013 7:59:11 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
I am not trying to imply that Reagan and Putin have the same ideology.

And then you proceed to do so.

4 posted on 09/13/2013 7:59:52 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ComtedeMaistre
...while Putin is a Russian Patriot who fights for the long term interests of Russia

Well, sure - if you ignore the imprisoning of political opponents, the corruption & looting of the government, fradulent elections, closing down media he disagrees with & nationalizing private businesses then Putin is a real hoot.

5 posted on 09/13/2013 8:00:38 AM PDT by gdani
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Obama is now agreeing to Putin Demands:

Must see video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE_xMRiCLE


6 posted on 09/13/2013 8:00:48 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: ComtedeMaistre

7 posted on 09/13/2013 8:02:19 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ComtedeMaistre

Thank you Algore for the Internet or we’d never see any honest reporting on the First Black President.


8 posted on 09/13/2013 8:04:40 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracka -- Don't Call Me Cracker)
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To: 1rudeboy

>>>And then you proceed to do so.

I do not deny that Putin has engaged in some repression. But Russia is much better than in the communist era. Russia is certainly better to live in, than in a Middle-Eastern country. Do you doubt that Putin is looking out for the long term interests of his country? Many of his ideas are the opposite of Reagan’s. But both men are patriots in the eyes of their people.


9 posted on 09/13/2013 8:05:03 AM PDT by ComtedeMaistre
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To: Travis McGee

10 posted on 09/13/2013 8:05:46 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: ComtedeMaistre

It’s a funny dynamic, in a sick, twisted way.

America arming al-Qaeda terrorists who slaughter Christians, while culturally pushing perversion, homosex, and deviancy. An empire of evil indeed. Sliding down the sewer. Then along comes Putin standing up for Christians, and putting a stop-sign in front of the degenerate, homo-fascist agenda. That’s the “picture” being presented throughout the globe.

A lot of propaganda and political calculation are involved, and yet, there is a sad, depressing truth to the whole scenario. Especially in regards to how America has gone so off-the-rails into utter madness.


11 posted on 09/13/2013 8:06:58 AM PDT by greene66
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To: ComtedeMaistre
Many Americans (who are Obama sycophants) will laugh at the idea of Putin---a former KGB officer---making reference to God. But the Christians of Syria and other parts of the Middle-East are not laughing. The pro-Islamist government in Washington wants to see the Christians of the Middle-East exterminated. The Christians of the Middle-East view Putin as their defender from radical Islam, in much the same way as the Christians of Eastern Europe saw Reagan as their protector from communism.

And let's not forget, Putin also defended Egyptian Gen al-Sisi in his recent effort to drive the Muslim Brotherhood out of Egyptian politics. Putin was there for al-Sisi when the general vowed to rebuild the 63 churches torched by Muzzies who rampaged over Christian homes and businesses.

Now, I view Putin's NYT op-ed as a post-grad master's thesis. Clearly, Putin was eager to proclaim his Christianity and seized on "exceptionalism" as the word upon which to lay the foundation for his proclamation.

We, the people, know we will never hear Obama say:

"......when we ask for the Lord's blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal," as Putin wrote in the NYT.

......something every Christian believes---an article of faith for Christians.....and, not coincidentally, the bedrock of our constitutional republic.

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Our incompetent boob of a community organizer, and his equally incompetent sycophants, have calculatedly turned our "shining city on a hill" into a third world hellhole.

LET'S STROLL DOWN MEMORY LANE---2008 Obama was a pop-up candidate---came out of nowhere---groomed by Chicago criminal politics. After he got elected---his handlers admitted they let the media know only what THEY wanted them to know. Obama was cued to say all the right things---hope and change---even said he wanted to be another Reagan (probably the biggest lie any presidential candidate ever uttered).

Obama slipped up only once---and it was a whopper---he told Joe the Plumber he wanted to redistribute the wealth-=---a classic Communist phrase. Unfortunatly his snively RINO oppenent McCain never bothered to explain what that might mean for the once-powerful US economic engine---now in ruins.

12 posted on 09/13/2013 8:08:27 AM PDT by Liz
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To: gdani
Well, sure - if you ignore the imprisoning of political opponents, the corruption & looting of the government, fradulent elections, closing down media he disagrees with & nationalizing private businesses then Putin is a real hoot.

Which basically places Putin closer to Obama, on the ideological scale. Heck, if it wasn't for the homo-thing, they'd be practically identical. Consider this: Obama is pro-homo for cynical and opportunistic political reasons, and Putin is anti-homo for the same reason. If Obama was anti-homo, and Putin wanted to "stick" it to the U.S., he'd be wearing eyeshadow and lavender pumps.

13 posted on 09/13/2013 8:10:52 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: gdani

>>>Well, sure - if you ignore the imprisoning of political opponents, the corruption & looting of the government, fradulent elections

1. On political prisoners - Didn’t Obama lock up the Egyptian Christian who made a movie on Muhammad?

2. On corruption in Government - Would the Russian government be more honest if it was run like the Obama federal government?

3. On Fraudulent elections - I am willing to bet that more dead voters and illegal aliens voted for Obama, especially in Chicago, than voted for Putin.


14 posted on 09/13/2013 8:12:54 AM PDT by ComtedeMaistre
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To: ComtedeMaistre

That is entirely unfair to Gorby.

Onbama is more like the British homosexual spy, Guy Burgess, who betrayed America (and Britain) by leaking American secrets to Stalinist Russia.


15 posted on 09/13/2013 8:13:10 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: 1rudeboy
I think you need to consult a dictionary for the common meaning of the word "ideology".

You're free to change the meaning if you wish, but don't expect the rest of the world to go along with you.

16 posted on 09/13/2013 8:13:57 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: ComtedeMaistre
But both men are patriots in the eyes of their people.

Precisely the sweeping generalization that makes trouble for your "analogy." You don't have to look very hard to find someone who thinks Obama is a "patriot." Does that make similar to Ronald Reagan as well?

17 posted on 09/13/2013 8:14:06 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Which basically places Putin closer to Obama, on the ideological scale. Heck, if it wasn't for the homo-thing, they'd be practically identical.

Careful there. You don't want to pop FR's love affair balloon with the communist dictator.

18 posted on 09/13/2013 8:14:15 AM PDT by gdani
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To: ComtedeMaistre

19 posted on 09/13/2013 8:14:39 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: freerepublicchat
I think you need to consult a dictionary for the common meaning of the word "ideology".

I have immediate access to about twelve of them, pick one and let's get started.

20 posted on 09/13/2013 8:15:52 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ComtedeMaistre
1. On political prisoners - Didn’t Obama lock up the Egyptian Christian who made a movie on Muhammad?

2. On corruption in Government - Would the Russian government be more honest if it was run like the Obama federal government?

3. On Fraudulent elections - I am willing to bet that more dead voters and illegal aliens voted for Obama, especially in Chicago, than voted for Putin.

Calling out Putin for being a murderous, thug, dictator should not be seen as a signal of any support of any kind for Obama.

That Obama is an idiot has zero to do with Putin also being one.

21 posted on 09/13/2013 8:17:55 AM PDT by gdani
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To: ComtedeMaistre; All

Putin ideology is very close to Reagan. Look at the taxes in Russia


22 posted on 09/13/2013 8:19:14 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: gdani

Are you talking about Putin or Obama. Hard to tell.


23 posted on 09/13/2013 8:23:23 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

But Putin is a “patriot,” silly!


24 posted on 09/13/2013 8:30:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ComtedeMaistre

Obama is the Kenyan ass clown.


25 posted on 09/13/2013 8:32:30 AM PDT by rootntootn (Boycott Hawaii, the scene of the crime.)
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To: gdani

The vacuum of leadership created by Obama has merely given Putin one more opportunity. Anyone looks like a great leader compared to Obama.


26 posted on 09/13/2013 8:36:49 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: gdani
You don't want to pop FR's love affair balloon with the communist dictator.

Don't you remember the speech Putin gave the month after our community idiot was elected?

The speech was published in Pravda.

Putin warned America "not to go down the road to communism, as that was what destroyed Russia".

Who knows if he was a closet capitalist or a communist when he was the head of the KGB.

What matters is that he is now a God fearing capitalist now.

27 posted on 09/13/2013 8:45:18 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
Is Obama the American Gorbachev?

Secular Humanists believe that a one world government based on secular humanists principles will be a consequence of the process of evolution. To achieve this goal faster requires a weakening of America that is willing to give up its sovereignty and power to the United Nations or something similar to it.Obama is perfectly happy to destroy America to speed this up.

28 posted on 09/13/2013 9:17:56 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Putin was never head of the KGB. He was a colonel in the KGB.

I wish there were an online version of a biography of Putin I read in The Atlantic while waiting to see my physician a few years back. It was very interesting.

Evidently, in the last days of the Soviet Union, the KGB was a sort of miniature free society within the crumbling edifice of Communist totalitarianism. KGB men amongst themselves had a fair degree of freedom of speech, and there was criticism of the Party, criticism of the foundation of the Soviet Union. One of the most lively debates was about whether or not state atheism had not been a hideous mistake. The article didn’t say which side Putin was on.

But it did date his apparently fervent embrace of Holy Orthodoxy — not to his entry into politics, but to almost losing his family in a fire at the dacha. Obviously he is not a good Christian in the sense of getting anywhere close to living out all of Christ’s commandments (but who of us, a few exemplary monks and nuns aside, is in these latter days?) but he is plainly pious in a way that a lot of the old apparatchiks who turned up in cathedrals awkwardly crossing themselves when the old ladies did soon after the Soviet Union dissolved are not.

And his policies have certainly been more pro-Christian and pro-market not only than those of the old Soviet government, but of our current administration and most Western European “social democracies”.


29 posted on 09/13/2013 9:33:40 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Mogger
What matters is that he is now a God fearing capitalist now.

Well, except for that whole state-controlled media & nationalizing of the oil industry thing.

30 posted on 09/13/2013 12:57:47 PM PDT by gdani
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To: fireman15
Anyone looks like a great leader compared to Obama.

That's an extremely low bar you've set there.

But it doesn't make Putin any more desirable.

31 posted on 09/13/2013 1:01:15 PM PDT by gdani
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To: gdani
Putin is being propped up by our own media because they have lost their faith in Obama and the rest of our leftist leadership. Our left leaning media wants a leftist leader who represents strength and vitality and we simply haven't got anyone like that in this country right now.

Our leftist leadership is both intellectually and morally bankrupt. They have pushed their agenda to the high water mark and people can now see that it is not what they want. Even the unions are starting to rebel over Obamacare. All I am saying is that we are very close to a change in direction for the country. Now is the time for a strong leader on the right to come forward. I am not sure who that is, but I feel an historic opportunity is just around the corner.

32 posted on 09/13/2013 3:02:28 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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