Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Paul pushes to restore state felon voting rights as part of push to reform sentencing
cn|2 Pure Politics ^ | 9/16/2013 | Jacqueline Pitts

Posted on 09/16/2013 6:10:01 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat

Kentucky U.S. Senator Rand Paul told community leaders in West Louisville on Monday that he will be stepping his call for federal reforms to criminal sentencing and pledging to support a state effort to restore felon voting rights.

Paul has been talking about the concept of reforms to mandatory minimums for several months, saying someone should not have to lose their rights for life for a youthful mistake.

But while appearing at a town-hall-like event at the Plymouth Community Renewal Center in West Louisville, Paul added a new layer to his argument saying that felon voting rights should be restored.

“As part of that, I’m also going to be introducing something to restore voting rights for people who were convicted of felonies but have not been convicted again for 5 years,” Paul said.

However, Kentucky would need to have it’s own voting restoration legislation, something that some lawmakers, led by Louisville and Lexington House and Senate Democrats, have tried unsuccessfully to pass in previous sessions

Paul said he’s going to do what it takes to speak to state Senate Republican leaders.

Paul also talked with west Louisville residents about tax problems including tax liens and economic freedom zones in which taxes would be lowered to try to encourage business in the area.

(With video by Nick Storm)

(Excerpt) Read more at mycn2.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; kentucky; paul; randnesty; randpaul
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last

1 posted on 09/16/2013 6:10:01 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

Not sure all of what would be called felonies, one probably shouldn’t have to give up voting rights for something like a car theft. Armed Robbery I’m not sure about.


2 posted on 09/16/2013 6:14:35 PM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

If a young person attempts a robbery, and suffers acute catastrophic failure of the victim selection process (and picks a CCW holder, for example) then said young person could lose their entire future, not just their voting rights in that future, from such a youthful mistake.

By Paul’s logic, we should disarm everyone. Not how I roll, but that is where the logic leads.


3 posted on 09/16/2013 6:15:46 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BeadCounter

In Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, and California there are a lot of places where if you steal a fellow’s car, you have given them a death sentence.

I would say that stealing a car should be a felony, and a shooting offense. Disagree with that if you want.

In a perfect world there would be no crime. In a close approach to that perfect world a perpetrator would be suddenly shot just before he could commit a crime.


4 posted on 09/16/2013 6:19:13 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: donmeaker

“By Paul’s logic, we should disarm everyone”

WTF? That’s what you got out of the article?

This is a local issue in KY. They can do whatever they want.


5 posted on 09/16/2013 6:19:42 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

Is this the time, really, for taking a hike down a rabbit hole, over some felon’s voting rights? Sheesh.

14 days before capitalism gets collapsed by obamacare, and Rand reaches for dust particles in a sun stream. Focus, Rand, FOCUS.


6 posted on 09/16/2013 6:20:04 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

If you served your time then you should be able to vote and buy a gun.


7 posted on 09/16/2013 6:20:23 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Rand Paul’s immigration speech
03.19.13 | Hon Sen Rand Paul (KY)
Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2998395/posts

...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.

[but he’s not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]


8 posted on 09/16/2013 6:21:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]


9 posted on 09/16/2013 6:22:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt’s Generals:
‘How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?’
Foreign Policy | 15 Aug 2013 | John Hudson
Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3055253/posts

Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt’s military — even as Cairo’s security forces massacre anti-government activists.

[by “anti-government activists” is meant church-burning jihadists]


10 posted on 09/16/2013 6:22:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

Here's the passage at issue:
In the 1980s, the war caucus in Congress armed bin Laden and the mujaheddin in their fight with the Soviet Union. In fact, it was the official position of the State Department to support radical jihad against the Soviets. We all know how well that worked out.
Let's leave aside for now the insulting, utterly asinine, sickening, inexcusable use of the phrase "war caucus" to describe those (including Reagan!) who supported the mujaheddin against the Soviets. That word choice alone is almost entirely disqualifying for its purveyor to ever be president.

Instead, let's just look at a little history here -- because the ignorance evident in this paragraph is truly astonishing. One would be hard pressed to find even a single historian, whether right, left, or center, who would argue anything other than that the Soviet failure in Afghanistan was not just a huge factor, but probably an essential one, in the Soviets' ultimate loss of the Cold War.
[Rand Paul’s Really Ignorant Paragraph | 7 Feb 2013]

11 posted on 09/16/2013 6:22:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: BeadCounter

I’m a former felon (failure to appear) and I’m a Goldwater/Reagan Guerrilla free marketeer. In Michigan you regain the vote as long as you aren’t incarcerated on parole or probation.

Frankly I think the fantasy that people sit in prison and dream about the day they get to vote makes global warming seem sane in comparison.

I wasn’t interested in voting till I settled my life and chose to be a responsible person. At the end of the day its up to the states. I do think the idea of some states letting prison inmates vote is idiotic. Inmates will vote just for a change of pace and they’ll vote for whoever promises them the most.


12 posted on 09/16/2013 6:22:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat
I have to say I agree. Once you have served your time including any parole you should be given back all your citizen rights.
13 posted on 09/16/2013 6:23:28 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Youthful mistakes like, oh, wilding, arson, vandalism during participation in a riot, burglary, armed robbery... I mean, really, who among us hasn’t done those things?!? /s


14 posted on 09/16/2013 6:24:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

This will help democrat control, it returns the vote to liberal/libertarian voting felons.


15 posted on 09/16/2013 6:24:42 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

And how about spamming threads with off-topic BS? That should be a felony too /s


16 posted on 09/16/2013 6:26:39 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

And how about spamming threads with off-topic BS? That should be a felony too /s


17 posted on 09/16/2013 6:26:48 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

While I can’t stand Paul the Libertarian ... I don’t like non-violent felons (for the most part) not being able to vote. Of course it’s more complicated than that, but all felons are NOT created equal, which is why Sentencing Guidelines are such a tragedy.


18 posted on 09/16/2013 6:28:41 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RitaOK

Amen, sister! FOCUS!

Why is Rand even messing with this?

19 posted on 09/16/2013 6:30:26 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Vendome

I agree.


20 posted on 09/16/2013 6:34:20 PM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

Merle Haggard


21 posted on 09/16/2013 6:37:00 PM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

It is way past the time to reconsider what crimes deserve incarceration and for how long. The primary factor is justice, but a strong secondary factor is the sheer cost both in capital for prison, and the ongoing costs to the state for staff and the O & M of the prison. Then there is the lost wages of the criminal.


22 posted on 09/16/2013 6:37:02 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RitaOK
'Is this the time, really, for taking a hike down a rabbit hole, over some felon’s voting rights? Sheesh. 14 days before capitalism gets collapsed by obamacare, and Rand reaches for dust particles in a sun stream. Focus, Rand, FOCUS.

EXACTLY RITA, WHY DO THESE DUNCES DO THIS?....HEY RANDY, DO YOU NOT REALIZE HOW CRAP LIKE THIS DEMORALIZES THE BASE?....WHAT IN THE HECK R U THINKINGGGG?

SPENDING POLITICAL CAPITAL LIKE THIS AT A TIME LIKE THISSS? WHAT NEXT RABBIT MAN....GONNA PRESENT HARRY R. A GOOD CITIZENSHIP MEDAL? SHEEESH..
23 posted on 09/16/2013 6:37:11 PM PDT by jimsin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

For convicts who have served their full sentences and made any required restitution, If we don’t let them rejoin society with no attached stigma doesn’t it reduce the liklyhood that they will be able to transition into productive, contributing law abiding citizens?

Just asking.


24 posted on 09/16/2013 6:42:01 PM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RitaOK
FOCUS

i thought that was what obama has been doing to us

25 posted on 09/16/2013 6:48:40 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: donmeaker
I would say that stealing a car should be a felony, and a shooting offense. Disagree with that if you want.

No disagreement here!

26 posted on 09/16/2013 6:49:58 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

Sen. Paul is making it much easier for me to vote for Ted Cruz, if he decides to run in 2016.


27 posted on 09/16/2013 6:54:15 PM PDT by dowcaet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dowcaet

Cruz will probably give a speech tomorrow in favor of the same position. He’s been following on Rand’s footsteps since he got to the senate.


28 posted on 09/16/2013 6:58:04 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: donmeaker

“convicted of felonies but have not been convicted again for 5 years”

That’s the way it is here in Texas. They can also have a gun
in their home or stationary place of business. I don’t see
anyone being disarmed here.


29 posted on 09/16/2013 6:58:25 PM PDT by Slambat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

It must be up to the States and that is where it should be decided as the Pauls would naturally support. In this, not sure why Senator Rand is speaking about it, I’ll reread the article. Thank you for your response.


30 posted on 09/16/2013 7:00:13 PM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

Okay, per my previous post, he’s speaking about legislation in Kentucky. That’s the level of government where this decision-making should be dealt with.


31 posted on 09/16/2013 7:01:27 PM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

“Youthful mistakes like, oh, wilding, arson, vandalism during participation in a riot, burglary, armed robbery... I mean, really, who among us hasn’t done those things?!? /s”

You forgot “nonviolent and or victimless crimes”.


32 posted on 09/16/2013 7:05:30 PM PDT by Slambat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

Smearing Rand Paul Alert?


33 posted on 09/16/2013 7:11:32 PM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW, PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN,CHANGE I BELIEVE IN)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

Keep in mind that cutting off a shotgun barrel 1/2” too short is a felony, as are many drug offenses.

The focus should also be on making fewer crimes felonies to start with. But this is a good start.


34 posted on 09/16/2013 7:14:39 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RitaOK

Looks like it’s an issue at the State level. He is serving his constituency. I would think that would be the duty of a U.S. Senator to address issues in his home state ever so often.


35 posted on 09/16/2013 7:19:09 PM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

Ah, an excellent plan! Every county with a state prison located in it will now have the luxury of a county sheriff and judges elected at least in part by convicted felons. How pleasant.


36 posted on 09/16/2013 7:23:14 PM PDT by panzer_grey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jane Long

“Why is Rand even messing with this?”

I dunno. Maybe because it’s the right thing to do?


37 posted on 09/16/2013 7:24:06 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: RitaOK

“Focus, Rand, Focus”

Thank you for that. Rand must be a complete flake.


38 posted on 09/16/2013 7:24:18 PM PDT by odawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: BeadCounter

“Armed Robbery I’m not sure about.”

That’s the thing I don’t understand. If these crimes are so grave and we’re so concerned that we can’t let these felons vote or own a gun, then why are they out of prison in the first place? Or better, why weren’t they swinging at the end of a rope?


39 posted on 09/16/2013 7:26:38 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: BeadCounter

You do have a point, and I was hasty with the headline.

With 14, 13, days to go, our voices need to be well placed toward heading off a national disaster.

Even if it means avoiding town hall meetings on pot holes, taxation and felons voting privileges. Just sayin’.


40 posted on 09/16/2013 7:46:34 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: RKBA Democrat; Jane Long

Perhaps he could mess with the pot hole issues and felon privileges some other time, like after the coming collapse on October 1st. Just my two cents.


41 posted on 09/16/2013 7:53:05 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Vendome

Depends on the crime and depends on the felon’s record of conduct while incarcerated and/or on parole.

In general, I think giving a non-violent felon no prospect for a job and no change to gain full citizenship rights again is a bad idea.


42 posted on 09/16/2013 7:53:11 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: 3Fingas

change = chance


43 posted on 09/16/2013 7:54:41 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat
But while appearing at a town-hall-like event at the Plymouth Community Renewal Center in West Louisville, Paul added a new layer to his argument saying that felon voting rights should be restored.

Rand, ol' buddy...

This is what the DEMS are saying.

Sheesh!

Oh, and adios. Ya once nearly had me, but now ya totally lost me.

.

44 posted on 09/16/2013 8:33:45 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Republican Wildcat

If Rand read up on voter fraud, he’d realize he’s wasting his time, as felon voting is already de facto, at least in Democrat precincts....


45 posted on 09/16/2013 8:38:40 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: donmeaker

In Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, and California there are a lot of places where if you steal a fellow’s car, you have given them a death sentence.
___________________________________________________
In the old west, stealing horses would get you hanged. Not too many horse thieves back then.


46 posted on 09/16/2013 9:06:40 PM PDT by o-n-money
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: donmeaker
In Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, and California there are a lot of places where if you steal a fellow’s car, you have given them a death sentence.

That was the logic behind hanging horse thieves. The regular and judicious use of the contraption shown below transformed Ft. Smith from a lawless frontier town into a nice town of church goers in less than a generation:

47 posted on 09/16/2013 9:16:51 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: BeadCounter
anyone that has done time in Prison, no votes, if just doing time in jail OK let them vote. Usually less violent crimes get jail, nastys get prison....they show they don't belong in civil society. That should be enough to forfeit voting..
48 posted on 09/16/2013 10:06:37 PM PDT by goat granny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 3Fingas

Yep.


49 posted on 09/16/2013 10:33:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Vendome

“If you served your time then you should be able to vote and buy a gun.”

Some crimes are serving notice to productive citizens that you have no role in a civilized society; I’d rather they did neither.


50 posted on 09/17/2013 3:13:11 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson