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Pirate Boats Can’t Hide From ‘Murica’s Laser-Guided Bombs
gCaptain ^ | September 18, 2013 | Rob Almeida

Posted on 09/19/2013 6:12:55 AM PDT by artichokegrower

The U.S. Air Force proved this month that laser guided bombs can, in fact, hit moving targets at sea when dropped from supersonic bombers like the B-1B Lancer.

On Sept. 4, a B-1 from the 337th Test and Evaluation Squadron took off from Dyess Air Force Base bound for the Gulf of Mexico. Their goal was to better understand and improve their maritime strike capabilities while using a laser guided 500-pound bomb GBU-54, as well as 500 and 2,000-pound joint direct attack munitions.

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An oh "s" moment for a pirate

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1 posted on 09/19/2013 6:12:55 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

Nice to know our $600 billion defense budget is being used to bomb pirates. WTF?


2 posted on 09/19/2013 6:15:02 AM PDT by gotribe (Vladimir Putin is MY President)
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To: gotribe

I have no problem with that

The governemnt should be making the seas safe


3 posted on 09/19/2013 6:16:43 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: gotribe
Nice to know our $600 billion defense budget is being used to bomb pirates. WTF?

Well, fighting pirates was the original mission that established the United States Marine Corps.

4 posted on 09/19/2013 6:17:10 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: artichokegrower

The munition is bigger than the target. What a waste.


5 posted on 09/19/2013 6:17:34 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: artichokegrower

Remember Obama wants to retire the B-1 to save $$$$.


6 posted on 09/19/2013 6:22:18 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: edpc

What’s wrong with a drone strike? I guess when you’re a bomber wing 2 billion dollar hammer, everything is a nail.


7 posted on 09/19/2013 6:22:32 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: artichokegrower

Why don’t they use a smaller aircraft and strafe them.
I’m sure the gunex events could be useful.
Less expensive too.


8 posted on 09/19/2013 6:22:51 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: artichokegrower

Talk about using a sledge hammer to kill a gnat.


9 posted on 09/19/2013 6:23:16 AM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: artichokegrower

Why can’t we make some good old WW2 era subs and shoot them with Mk 48’s? We don’t need a blue water navy to fight coastal pirates. Another rub is why fight anything that is not in our hemisphere. Stop policing the world.


10 posted on 09/19/2013 6:26:39 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: artichokegrower

Pirate these days basically use 30 foot long open boats. You dont need to actually hit them with a 500 # bomb. Anything within 50 yards will blow them to bits.


11 posted on 09/19/2013 6:30:50 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: artichokegrower

Drop a bunch of 1000 lb concrete slugs with no explosives.
That would work just as well on the boats they have and would save a lot of money. Sunk is sunk.


12 posted on 09/19/2013 6:33:48 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: gotribe

Its nice to know that we have the accuracy and capability to hit fast moving targets on land or water. From more then one platform style.


13 posted on 09/19/2013 6:36:07 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: artichokegrower

A 500 pound bomb direct hit on a 1,000 pound boat? Yes, that’ll do the job. Like dear old Dad used to tell me: “Son, if a job’s worth doing, it’s worth doing right.”


14 posted on 09/19/2013 6:38:05 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: artichokegrower

yar? Argh!


15 posted on 09/19/2013 6:41:46 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: artichokegrower

I used to be proud of our military and it’s technology.

I don’t know about everyone else, but these days, when I read about a new military innovation, the first thought that comes to me is something along the lines of “What happens if the government decides we’re the enemy and turns those weapons on us?”

When the definition of “terrorist” can be expanded to include granparents demonstrating at TEA party gatherings, how long do you think it will take for the definition of “pirate” to be expanded to include anyone with a boat who doesn’t tow the statist line?


16 posted on 09/19/2013 6:43:40 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Another rub is why fight anything that is not in our hemisphere. Stop policing the world.

When they are OUR ships at risk, it becomes our business.

17 posted on 09/19/2013 6:43:48 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Maceman
Our $600 billion defense budget is sitting in Hampton Roads.

LGT's (Large Grey Targets):

image from Ken Cuccinelli's Facebook page, 7 September 2013

18 posted on 09/19/2013 6:44:50 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: Mr. K
I have no problem with that The governemnt should be making the seas safe

for American ships

The Panamanian navy can protect the ships registered in Panama.

19 posted on 09/19/2013 6:45:02 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: chrisser

“What happens if the government decides we’re the enemy and turns those weapons on us?”

That decision has already been made. The weapons are at the ready.


20 posted on 09/19/2013 6:46:34 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

Arm them. That is cheaper than sending our navy everywhere.


21 posted on 09/19/2013 6:48:52 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: gotribe

That is the problem with posting from Blogs. Besides the blogger’s title, no statement by the Air Force in the article says they are going to be used against pirates. It could just as easily be Iranian fast craft swarming a warship in the Persian Gulf.


22 posted on 09/19/2013 6:48:56 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: mbarker12474

By LGTs you mean the fastest ships in the Navy?


23 posted on 09/19/2013 6:50:25 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: JimRed

US flagged merchant ships are sovereign US territory. It’s why we got into WW1. My son is in the maritime industry. Blowing up Muslim Somali pirates is a fine use of taxpayer money.


24 posted on 09/19/2013 6:51:31 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: edpc

Note that the body of the bomb in that pic is blue. Means that it’s inert, concrete filled rather than high explosives. Precision kinetic death on demand.

Compared to other options, that’s a pretty cheap kill. And less of a risk to the launch platform than cheaper kills (like straffing or unguided rockets) because the platform can stay close to, if not out of, the envelope of MANPADS.


25 posted on 09/19/2013 6:55:39 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: artichokegrower

I’m surprised that this hasn’t been tried earlier.

During Desert Storm it was “discovered” that the desert cooled faster than the metal hulls of Iraqi tanks, which could be easily distinguished by the PAVE TACKS mounted on F-111Fs

So each evening a bunch of Aardvarks would be loaded up with 500lb GBU-12s and sent off on “tank plinking” missions. Iirc the F-111F fleet ended the war with more tank kills than A-10s.


26 posted on 09/19/2013 7:03:24 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Kozak
Talk about using a sledge hammer to kill a gnat.

My favorite example of that phrase is the use of a Hellfire anti-tank missile on Ahmed Yassin's wheelchair in 2004. My guess is the Israelis did not want to take the chance his chair may have been "uparmored."

27 posted on 09/19/2013 7:05:30 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: calljack
"That would work just as well on the boats they have and would save a lot of money. Sunk is sunk."

Yeah, but it doesn't assure that all the pirates are DEAD, which is what is needed. The rules on policing piracy in the past was that any military vessel who apprehended an act of piracy HUNG all the surviving pirates, on the spot. That is a policy that needs to be re-introduced.

And allow private vessels to arm themselves as used to be done.

28 posted on 09/19/2013 7:06:27 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: artichokegrower

I see a serious problem here. The Russians have not only developed very effective GPS jammers, but are gleefully distributing them to all sorts of villains who hope to avoid our GPS directed weaponry.

So what happens to one of these highly accurate bombs when it enters the GPS jamming bubble surrounding a ship at a respectable distance? Does it reduce its accuracy from 1 meter to 10 meters? 100 meters?

I remember that many years ago, the Russians demonstrated their anti-ballistic missile capability by using an ABM against a ballistic missile. They helped insure the shoot down by putting a homing beacon in the missile.

We weren’t *that* rude with this test, at least I hope, but assuming pretty much ideal conditions does not prove an effective weapons system.

Yeah, it might work against pirates; but in practical terms we don’t use weapons like this against pirates. We use them against enemy warships, that likely have jammers on board, if they know what is good for them.


29 posted on 09/19/2013 7:11:09 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: artichokegrower

Pirate Boats Can’t Hide From US Nuclear Subs
and Their Nuclear-Tipped Torpedoes


30 posted on 09/19/2013 7:22:46 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: artichokegrower

Some Freepers might want look at the pirates in a different light. The Taiwanese and Japanese have illegally fidhed out their waters. Shipping companies have long used their waters for illegally dumping waste. Their livelihoods have been destroyed and beaches vandalized by foreign shipping companies. I’d be a pirate too. Paybacks a bitc...


31 posted on 09/19/2013 7:23:40 AM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"After the ransom was paid, Caesar raised a fleet, pursued and captured the pirates, and imprisoned them. He had them crucified on his own authority, as he had promised while in captivity[26]—a promise the pirates had taken as a joke. As a sign of leniency, he first had their throats cut."

Wiki

32 posted on 09/19/2013 7:25:26 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Blackirish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eruwOiHoTTo


33 posted on 09/19/2013 7:29:35 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: edpc

For those types of boats all the Aiir Force really needs iOS a kinetic kill vehicle.A bomb casing loaded with concrete instead of explosives and a guidance kit to get the unit to hit the target.

When that kinetic kill unit hits that boat it will send it to the deep quick.


34 posted on 09/19/2013 7:32:19 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: tanknetter
Compared to other options, that?s a pretty cheap kill.

Beg to differ. Ain't the cost of the bullet that determines the total cost of the operation. Using the most expensive aircraft to throw spitballs, comparatively speaking, ain't the smartest thing to do. Wear and tear of engines and airframes of strategic weapons systems certainly not worth the effort of nailing pirates. Kind of like using Abrams tanks to chase and shoot up bank robbers.

Ending the piracy starts with oblitering their shore bases, their banking, links, their homes and families, their safe havens, and any one that trades with them. Kill them all. Make the piracy trade more dangerous to them than an Ebola epidemic or be prepared to see more turd worlders turn to piracy and hijacking. Right now the coastal Somali economy depends on these acts of piracy. And f*** their refugee status.

Better to use the B-1s to create a totally Somali-free zone 200 miles wide. That ain't going to happen, so we'll accept it as the cost of business til there's no longer any business.

35 posted on 09/19/2013 7:33:29 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor

The B-1s are actually a fairly cost-effective platform -total lifecycle wise. Part of this is that they were designed for the low-level penetration mission, which is significantly more stressful (wear and tear) than the mid to high profiles they’ve actually spent most of their lives flying.

What are the other options for really going after East African pirates? Carrier (CVN or LHA/LHD) fixed wing? Aegis cruisers/destroyers with guns and helos? LCSes with the same? Drones with Hellfires and LGBs? Anything else?

Seems that drones might be the only cheaper option than Bones (or B-52s) flying from Diego Garcia or Qatar. And assuming that they can operate from locations close enough to provide decent loiter time (since we’re talking armed Reapers and Predators and not Global Hawks ...)


36 posted on 09/19/2013 7:47:05 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

And to add, even with a drone the concrete filled GBU is going to be cheaper than the Hellfire.


37 posted on 09/19/2013 7:51:15 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Wow! 37 posts to an article about pirates on “Talk Like a Pirate Day” and not one single “Aaarrrr!”

Amazing self-restraint shown by FReepers!


38 posted on 09/19/2013 7:52:15 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: TalonDJ

Sorry. Missed one.


39 posted on 09/19/2013 7:53:58 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: VanShuyten

Sorry, am saving up my pirate speak for getting free Krispy Kremes later today ...


40 posted on 09/19/2013 8:08:16 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Twotone

ping to self...


41 posted on 09/19/2013 8:11:53 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: gotribe
I have no problem with that. These are the same Barbary Pirates we fought long ago... all muzzies.
42 posted on 09/19/2013 8:26:09 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The bombs are laser guided not GPS guided . GPS jammer won’t do squat also a GPS jammer is a active transmitter which means that it can pin pointed & killed by a homing anti-radiation missile.


43 posted on 09/19/2013 8:53:01 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: Nebr FAL owner

For the Small Diameter Bomb:

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/defense-space/missiles/sdb/

Guidance:
Precision inertial navigation system/global positioning system (INS/GPS). Anti-jam GPS and selective-ability anti-spoofing module (SAASM).

“If the GPS signal is jammed or lost, the JDAM can still achieve a 30 meter CEP or less for free flight times up to 100 seconds.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_availability_anti-spoofing_module

Selective Availability Anti-spoofing Module (SAASM)

SAASM does not provide any additional anti-jam capability, because it uses exactly the same signal-in-space as current GPS signals (power and modulation). Future GPS upgrades, such as M-Code, will provide anti-jam capabilities.

Deployment of the next generation military signal for GPS, called M-code, commenced with the launch of IIR-M and IIF satellites, beginning in 2005. A complete constellation of 18 satellites with M-code capability is planned for 2016.


44 posted on 09/19/2013 11:37:07 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: artichokegrower

Is this some kind of Pirate Day joke?


45 posted on 09/19/2013 11:39:10 AM PDT by McGruff (No wars for Arab pipelines!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
So what happens to one of these highly accurate bombs when it enters the GPS jamming bubble surrounding a ship at a respectable distance? Does it reduce its accuracy from 1 meter to 10 meters? 100 meters?

I could tell you but then I would have to kill you.
46 posted on 09/19/2013 11:57:28 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: gotribe

“millions for defense”

our DOD budget has always been about pirates


47 posted on 09/19/2013 12:08:59 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: artichokegrower

When I worked for a Navy contractor I proposed the following name for a system designed to track pirates over the horizon: Advanced Reconnaissance and Ranging Reliant on Geospatial Headings (ARRRGH).

I don’t know why they didn’t use it.


48 posted on 09/19/2013 12:22:51 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Anyone can fib. It takes an intellectual to tell a really big lie.)
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To: Darksheare

Agreed. Plinkin’ muzzie pirate boats with the guns has gotta be way more fun for our guys then just blowin’ the hell outta them from long range with a missile or bomb.


49 posted on 09/19/2013 1:41:10 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: bobby.223

Costs less to expend 20mm HE cannon rounds, offers training for engaging such objects, and costs less in fuel.
Obviously they didn’t do a proper cost analysis.


50 posted on 09/19/2013 1:58:03 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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