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Harsh Yosemite fire aftermath: 40 percent of land 'nuked'
MSNBC ^ | 9/26/20013 | staff MSNBC

Posted on 09/19/2013 7:30:28 AM PDT by shadeaud

Within the footprint of California's Rim Fire is an area of 60 square miles where everything is dead, the worst such burn damage in centuries.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
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To: knarf
God has a green thumb ... just wait, watch and see.

Oh, it will come back. If the ground was sterilized it will just take a bit longer.

21 posted on 09/19/2013 7:58:07 AM PDT by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Truth @ post 10. The record of environmental legal battles makes no sense unless you consider how much money advocacy lawyers make.


22 posted on 09/19/2013 7:59:26 AM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: ken5050
It's not "sterilized"..it's nature..there will be seedlings germinating within a few days..

If it is a normal fire, then yes, there will be seedlings coming up soon. As mentioned earlier, some seeds need fire to germinate. But a fire can get so hot that it actually kills everything within a foot of the surface. This sterilization is rare but may have happened in certain parts of the Rim Fire.

23 posted on 09/19/2013 8:02:50 AM PDT by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: bkopto

You forgot the best part.

10. Liberals homes get burned up and they and their attorneys rip off the insurance companies.


24 posted on 09/19/2013 8:04:42 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: Gaffer

“Regardless of the devastation, it was not NUKED...were that so, it would be uninhabitable.”

Not really. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are major cities today.


25 posted on 09/19/2013 8:08:28 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: liege

Thanks..I learned something new. Do you know of examples where this has actually happened?


26 posted on 09/19/2013 8:08:40 AM PDT by ken5050 (According to Dick Lugar, I'm a "random outlier." Woo Hoo!!!!)
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To: CodeToad

They weren’t nuked with a good bomb....


27 posted on 09/19/2013 8:09:38 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ElkGroveDan
Thank the busybodies and their favorite judges.

Obama ain't the only one that needs to be impeached.

28 posted on 09/19/2013 8:10:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: dfwgator

I would say its pretty damned dry now.


29 posted on 09/19/2013 8:12:21 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: ken5050
Thanks..I learned something new. Do you know of examples where this has actually happened?

The only instance that I am aware of are parts of Yellowstone from the fires back in 1988.

30 posted on 09/19/2013 8:14:50 AM PDT by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: boomop1

I was at MSH about five years ago. The desolation, and regrowth, was astounding. I stood there just staring for a long time. In its truest sense, it was awesome.

I also visited Yellowstone the year before that. It was about ten years after their big fire, and there were green shoots. But parts of that place still smelled of fire and smoke.


31 posted on 09/19/2013 8:15:02 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: gunner03

33 here in N Nevada today at 6:30 AM.


32 posted on 09/19/2013 8:19:17 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: dfwgator
*Drought, and dryness associated with a warming climate ....
They just had to go there, didn't they? *

It's as if they have a cardboard bogeyman on a stick and they bring him out during a puppet show:

“Beware Punch, beware Judy, beware Brimstone. look out Prince Bumbo!

Global Warming is coming to steal your silver bananas!”

http://www.theonion.com/articles/local-puppet-ignores-repeated-audience-dragon-warn,1022/

33 posted on 09/19/2013 8:21:35 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: liege
FYI..I Googled "Yellowstone/fire/sterilization", and found this

Read the last para "Spring 2010" and also click on the last link under "Resources"

34 posted on 09/19/2013 8:27:18 AM PDT by ken5050 (According to Dick Lugar, I'm a "random outlier." Woo Hoo!!!!)
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To: ken5050
Do you know of examples where this has actually happened?

I lived in Idaho most of my life. Several years back, there was a fire that did this same thing. I can't remember which forest, but I heard many folks tell of it after fishing/hunting trips. It was devoid of vegetation for about 5 - 7 years after a very hot, slow moving fire. IIRC, after this period, they went in and seeded the ground with a mix of vegetation and some heavy duty mulch. I did not witness this myself, and it was all hearsay, so take it for what it is.

35 posted on 09/19/2013 9:28:39 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: liege

We had a fire in the Pecos a number of years back. There were holes in the ground going down dozens of feet where the ponderosa pines burned completely to ash, roots and all.


36 posted on 09/19/2013 9:30:38 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
THis is NOT true. Many seeds require a fire to germinate. The region will come back very soon.

Thank you for a demonstration of appalling ignorance. It will come back all right, to what? After losing millions of tons of topsoil to be washed down into reservoirs, there will be miles of Arctostaphylos sprouted from root crowns, six feet tall, and with no breaks for wildlife or forbs. In a few years, there will then be so many seedling pines that it will pack up completely. Moisture demand by that many trees will dry up streams by as much as 35%. The next wave is beetle kill. Worse, if there is then another fire, with all that standing dry wood left behind, what you get is enough heat to fire the soil into a ceramic. It then takes jackhammers to plant trees.

In the mean time, the cleared landscape is then wide open for the intrusion of roadside weeds into a perfect germination medium. I wish I could show you the miles of musk thistle and cheat grass that resulted from this idiot "let it burn" policy in Mesa Verde National Park. It is a disaster.

This has all happened before, many times. Drop the mythology and get with reality. You see, people no longer harvest pine cones as the Indians once did, which played just as important a role in maintaining a spacious forest as did fire. Fire alone will not fix this mess. It takes work done by people, managing animals, harvesting trees, and reducing predation so that herbivores can keep the brush under control and let fewer trees develop. It may be possible to recreate the forest the Indians reluctantly bequeathed, but not by leaving it alone.

37 posted on 09/19/2013 10:17:33 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: ElkGroveDan; liege; ken5050; blackdog; Tijeras_Slim
To the above post I wish to add that I was in Yellowstone last year. If you call miles of twenty year old trees, eight feet tall and ten inches apart a "recovery" then you're sicker than I think you are. It's a mess, especially when compared to the areas that did not burn where there is more biodiversity and more groundcover because there is more TOPSOIL.

I photographed it and may post a few if I have time.

38 posted on 09/19/2013 10:24:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
To the last post I wish to add a point about the Yellowstone fire and elk forage. By the time of the 1989 fire, aspen cover in the park had declined by 95% simply because of over-browsing by starving elk. After the fire, the clones shot up new shoots where the remaining aspen had been. The elk browsed them down and killed them, in big patches.

The big problem was not the lack of wolves but the removal of the apex predator in the system: HUMANS, who had hunted the elk and wolves and built the biodiversity we prized by gardening the landscape to supply themselves with food and materials. People shaped that landscape, which is why when the first explorers arrived they thought it beautiful. It's this urban myth we have about "Nature" that is the real problem here, that causes us to believe in a self-optimizing system that has nothing to do with reality.

39 posted on 09/19/2013 10:31:35 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Consistently write with the tone of 39 and I think you’d be happier with responses. Yes. I know how difficult. Pray.


40 posted on 09/19/2013 10:56:29 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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