Skip to comments.It's all over the news, but what does "defund Obamacare" really MEAN?!
Posted on 09/19/2013 7:38:06 AM PDT by fwdude
We keep hearing this strategy trumpeted, without really knowing what implications are at stake.
What does defunding Obamacare really imply? What does it accomplish. Will ALL the requirements then be gone or delayed? Will the contraception mandate be made null? Will employers' reporting requirements be non-effective?
It angers me when soundbytes are made the policy push without knowing the substance of what is being debated.
Excellent question ... awaiting knowledgeable replies ...
Babies, puppies, kittens, and old people will die!!!
Yes, that is a given :)
The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!
I don’t know if my reply is “knowledgeable”, but I do know this is a first step to getting rid of this horrible law. I’m sure Obama and gang will double-down on the requirements, but without funding it will be a slap in their face.
It is only the first step. This law was passed with every dirty trick in the book, if we have to return the same kind of fire to get rid of it, so be it.
This law must be stopped before October 1st (at least that’s what I’m hearing). If defunding it will gum up the works, then give it a go.
There would be no money to implement it or to enforce it.
It’s a half step, but one in the right direction. If it is illegal to smoke pot, but the police don’t enforce it, it is basically legal.
Same idea here. There is a law on the books, but no one to enforce it.
“...what does “defund Obamacare” really MEAN?!”
No money can be spent on implementing the nuts and bolts of the law. No money for “Navigators,” additional IRS Agents, Exchanges, additional HHS bureaucrats, etc. Even the printing office cannot spend a dime on making copies of the regulations, and no staffers to write them.
The Congress passed the SECURE BORDER ACT of 2006... they were to build a security fence all along our southern border... the fence was never built... the demonrats refused to fund it... understand now?
It means: WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM!!! Sign and endorse the Lee/Cruz Defund Obamacare Petition....right now....TODAY!!!
That is why it was incumbent on Boehner to listen to his House GOP, who desired to proceed with this.
What conservative members propose to do, is to proceed to fund other aspects of government spending (all of this without a budget,) by Social Security, Defense, VA benefits, keeping parks open, etc. just NOT funding anything having to do with Obamacare!
Liberals will tell you, certainly the White House, that this cannot be done!
Balderdash. The House of Representatives alone determine which programs to fund and has seen the largest rise in government spending by going ahead and funding various "make-work" programs, that once in the budget, get an automatic 10 percent increase each and every year, even though they have long ago gone away, i.e. "Rural electrification" program established under FDR to run electricity into every rural area.
That's what first brought Newt to my mind as a leader who proposed, once he became Speaker of the House, to have "roll back Tuesdays," which would essentially roll back those programs that had long since gone away! Unfortunately, we got so deep into the Clintons and Whitewater, that everything ran off the tracks (not actually a bad idea for Clinton as nothing much happened but "Roll Back Tuesdays" became only a pipe dream!)
I know I've gone on way too into the weeds here but basically, unless the House funds it, it doesn't get funded and NO Obama doesn't get to pick and choose which programs HE wants to fund! Ronald Reagan would have dearly LOVED that idea but it never occurred to him NOT to follow the Constitution!
But can't the administration simply "reallocate" resources to do their enforcement? Or, if this thing does ever get off the ground, wouldn't prior violations during the time that the program was "defunded" then be addressed?
I see this as a slight improvement, but long-term it is unacceptable. This thing needs to be flushed totally, somehow.
Again, are the contraception mandates then made null and void by defunding it? What happens when the Justice Department (different funding) then comes after these companies not in “compliance” with this requirement?
It means great pub for fundraising.
“The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.”-Abraham Lincoln
Spot on with the real problem.
The Democrats are even our real enemies, the GOP-e is. They even attack conservatives.
Already signed long ago.
I think it’s the same concept as “defunding the Viet Nam War”....
I don't know but will ask some of my constitutional law friends.
I do know that adding in those provisions, as well as other pernicious "mandates" covering such things as special care that would pertain only to people who engage in dangerous sexual practices, including anal sex, drug use, and many types of sexual effects, including but not limited to FREE contraception drugs AND abortificants - drugs that produce abortions, i.e. the so-called "morning after drug," the "week after drug" that forces the uterus to expel the fertilized egg (baby in it's first phase.)
Whether or not one thinks that contraception drugs should be paid for by someone else, NO one should be forced to pay for someone else's abortion!!!
I wish it would mean, kill it, burn it to the ground, erase all memory of it.
My point is that I'm afraid defunding Obamacare doesn't mean any of this, in an absolute sense.
You can enforce something without funding it. And this will be the tactic of Obama and his henchmen if Lee and Cruz succeed.
I recall reading that Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) filed an amendment to some other bill that basically killed the border fence.
Reported by Mark Levin... it was actually nappytano.
No, I distinctly remember the news story. It was reported by major outlets. KBH filed an amendment to some unrelated bill that killed the border fence.
I may have to do some searching way back to find it.
I'm sure the IRS has already been up-staffing in preparation for this travesty. It would really be nice to watch them have to fire them all.
I’m sure they have as well. I too would love to see a massive walk-out at the IRS.