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It's all over the news, but what does "defund Obamacare" really MEAN?!
self | 09/19/13 | fwdude

Posted on 09/19/2013 7:38:06 AM PDT by fwdude

We keep hearing this strategy trumpeted, without really knowing what implications are at stake.

What does defunding Obamacare really imply? What does it accomplish. Will ALL the requirements then be gone or delayed? Will the contraception mandate be made null? Will employers' reporting requirements be non-effective?

It angers me when soundbytes are made the policy push without knowing the substance of what is being debated.


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KEYWORDS: obamacare

1 posted on 09/19/2013 7:38:06 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

Excellent question ... awaiting knowledgeable replies ...


2 posted on 09/19/2013 7:40:36 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: fwdude

Babies, puppies, kittens, and old people will die!!!


3 posted on 09/19/2013 7:43:48 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Gadsden1st

Yes, that is a given :)


4 posted on 09/19/2013 7:46:04 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!


5 posted on 09/19/2013 7:46:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little Sgirl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: knarf

I don’t know if my reply is “knowledgeable”, but I do know this is a first step to getting rid of this horrible law. I’m sure Obama and gang will double-down on the requirements, but without funding it will be a slap in their face.

It is only the first step. This law was passed with every dirty trick in the book, if we have to return the same kind of fire to get rid of it, so be it.

This law must be stopped before October 1st (at least that’s what I’m hearing). If defunding it will gum up the works, then give it a go.


6 posted on 09/19/2013 7:47:13 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: fwdude

There would be no money to implement it or to enforce it.

It’s a half step, but one in the right direction. If it is illegal to smoke pot, but the police don’t enforce it, it is basically legal.

Same idea here. There is a law on the books, but no one to enforce it.


7 posted on 09/19/2013 7:50:36 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: fwdude

“...what does “defund Obamacare” really MEAN?!”

No money can be spent on implementing the nuts and bolts of the law. No money for “Navigators,” additional IRS Agents, Exchanges, additional HHS bureaucrats, etc. Even the printing office cannot spend a dime on making copies of the regulations, and no staffers to write them.


8 posted on 09/19/2013 7:51:27 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: fwdude

http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/q&a.pdf


9 posted on 09/19/2013 7:52:31 AM PDT by free me (Do it.....Sign & Endorse today!!! www.dontfundobamacare.com)
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To: fwdude
Perhaps the republicans should just put the foot on the gas and pass a law funding it , but only as originally passed into law and signed by Obama.
No waivers. No delays. And let the noose of this monster hang around the neck of the democrats for the 2014 elections.
Or the democrats can vote against it's funding and the CR.
10 posted on 09/19/2013 7:54:09 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: fwdude

The Congress passed the SECURE BORDER ACT of 2006... they were to build a security fence all along our southern border... the fence was never built... the demonrats refused to fund it... understand now?


11 posted on 09/19/2013 7:54:17 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: fwdude

It means: WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM!!! Sign and endorse the Lee/Cruz Defund Obamacare Petition....right now....TODAY!!!


12 posted on 09/19/2013 7:58:16 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: fwdude
"Defund Obamacare" means exactly that. Funding anything in government comes (or by law, Constitutionally) solely through the House of Representatives.

That is why it was incumbent on Boehner to listen to his House GOP, who desired to proceed with this.

What conservative members propose to do, is to proceed to fund other aspects of government spending (all of this without a budget,) by Social Security, Defense, VA benefits, keeping parks open, etc. just NOT funding anything having to do with Obamacare!

Liberals will tell you, certainly the White House, that this cannot be done!

Balderdash. The House of Representatives alone determine which programs to fund and has seen the largest rise in government spending by going ahead and funding various "make-work" programs, that once in the budget, get an automatic 10 percent increase each and every year, even though they have long ago gone away, i.e. "Rural electrification" program established under FDR to run electricity into every rural area.

That's what first brought Newt to my mind as a leader who proposed, once he became Speaker of the House, to have "roll back Tuesdays," which would essentially roll back those programs that had long since gone away! Unfortunately, we got so deep into the Clintons and Whitewater, that everything ran off the tracks (not actually a bad idea for Clinton as nothing much happened but "Roll Back Tuesdays" became only a pipe dream!)

I know I've gone on way too into the weeds here but basically, unless the House funds it, it doesn't get funded and NO Obama doesn't get to pick and choose which programs HE wants to fund! Ronald Reagan would have dearly LOVED that idea but it never occurred to him NOT to follow the Constitution!

13 posted on 09/19/2013 8:00:38 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Cyber Liberty
No money can be spent on implementing the nuts and bolts of the law. No money for “Navigators,” additional IRS Agents, Exchanges, additional HHS bureaucrats, etc.

But can't the administration simply "reallocate" resources to do their enforcement? Or, if this thing does ever get off the ground, wouldn't prior violations during the time that the program was "defunded" then be addressed?

I see this as a slight improvement, but long-term it is unacceptable. This thing needs to be flushed totally, somehow.

14 posted on 09/19/2013 8:07:08 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: zerosix

Again, are the contraception mandates then made null and void by defunding it? What happens when the Justice Department (different funding) then comes after these companies not in “compliance” with this requirement?


15 posted on 09/19/2013 8:09:29 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Falcon4.0

It means great pub for fundraising.

“The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.”-Abraham Lincoln


16 posted on 09/19/2013 8:18:29 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: fwdude
The problem is that the Republican establishment really doesn't want to get rid of Obamacare.
17 posted on 09/19/2013 8:26:54 AM PDT by caligatrux
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To: caligatrux
The problem is that the Republican establishment really doesn't want to get rid of Obamacare.

Spot on with the real problem.

The Democrats are even our real enemies, the GOP-e is. They even attack conservatives.

18 posted on 09/19/2013 8:28:52 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Already signed long ago.


19 posted on 09/19/2013 8:29:34 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

I think it’s the same concept as “defunding the Viet Nam War”....


20 posted on 09/19/2013 8:31:35 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: fwdude
Good question.

I don't know but will ask some of my constitutional law friends.

I do know that adding in those provisions, as well as other pernicious "mandates" covering such things as special care that would pertain only to people who engage in dangerous sexual practices, including anal sex, drug use, and many types of sexual effects, including but not limited to FREE contraception drugs AND abortificants - drugs that produce abortions, i.e. the so-called "morning after drug," the "week after drug" that forces the uterus to expel the fertilized egg (baby in it's first phase.)

Whether or not one thinks that contraception drugs should be paid for by someone else, NO one should be forced to pay for someone else's abortion!!!

21 posted on 09/19/2013 8:48:27 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: fwdude

I wish it would mean, kill it, burn it to the ground, erase all memory of it.


22 posted on 09/19/2013 8:53:46 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle
I wish it would mean, kill it, burn it to the ground, erase all memory of it.

My point is that I'm afraid defunding Obamacare doesn't mean any of this, in an absolute sense.

You can enforce something without funding it. And this will be the tactic of Obama and his henchmen if Lee and Cruz succeed.

23 posted on 09/19/2013 8:56:31 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
The Congress passed the SECURE BORDER ACT of 2006... they were to build a security fence all along our southern border... the fence was never built... the demonrats refused to fund it... understand now?

I recall reading that Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) filed an amendment to some other bill that basically killed the border fence.

24 posted on 09/19/2013 9:22:39 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Reported by Mark Levin... it was actually nappytano.


25 posted on 09/19/2013 10:05:03 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Reported by Mark Levin... it was actually nappytano.

No, I distinctly remember the news story. It was reported by major outlets. KBH filed an amendment to some unrelated bill that killed the border fence.

I may have to do some searching way back to find it.

26 posted on 09/19/2013 10:20:07 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
No money can be spent on implementing the nuts and bolts of the law. No money for “Navigators,” additional IRS Agents,...

I'm sure the IRS has already been up-staffing in preparation for this travesty. It would really be nice to watch them have to fire them all.

27 posted on 09/19/2013 10:48:21 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

I’m sure they have as well. I too would love to see a massive walk-out at the IRS.


28 posted on 09/19/2013 11:43:08 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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