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Pope Francis: Catholic Church must focus beyond "small-minded rules"
CBS ^ | 19 Sep 13 | CBS staff writer

Posted on 09/19/2013 2:46:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot

VATICAN CITY Pope Francis has warned that the Catholic Church's moral structure might "fall like a house of cards" if it doesn't balance its divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make it a merciful, more welcoming place for all.

Six months into his papacy, Francis set out his vision for the church and his priorities as pope in a lengthy and remarkably blunt interview with La Civilta Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit magazine. It was published simultaneously Thursday in Jesuit journals in 16 countries, including America magazine in the U.S.

John Allen, a senior correspondent with the National Catholic Reporter, told CBS Radio News the pope is not changing church policy but makes it clear that he wants a less judgmental church.

"I think he is conscious that he's at a sort of make-or-break moment where the kind of pope he wants to be - if he wants to affect real change - he's got to be explicit about it," Allen said.

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In the 12,000-word article, Francis expands on his ground-breaking comments over the summer about gays and acknowledges some of his own faults. He sheds light on his favorite composers, artists, authors and films (Mozart, Caravaggio, Dostoevsky and Fellini's "La Strada") and says he prays even while at the dentist's office.

But his vision of what the church should be stands out, primarily because it contrasts so sharply with many of the priorities of his immediate predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict XVI. They were both intellectuals for whom doctrine was paramount, an orientation that guided the selection of a generation of bishops and cardinals around the globe.

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To: svcw

Yes, those small-minded rules like, “I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

Way too restrictive.


151 posted on 09/19/2013 8:55:50 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Henry Hnyellar

He is trending towards moral relativism and social gospel.


152 posted on 09/19/2013 9:18:18 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: jodyel
Every man, and woman, will disappoint but Jesus.

And even He disappoints me when I am wanting wrong things which He, in love & righteousness, will not send my way.

In the end, though, further understanding turns that momentary disappointment into thankfulness.

"Grace is receiving that which we do not deserve; Mercy is NOT receiving what we DO deserve!" - David Jeremiah

153 posted on 09/19/2013 9:55:35 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Life is short. It's even shorter if you suggest going out for pizza on your anniversary" Peter Egan)
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To: GreyFriar
In a broad-ranging interview, Pope Francis has underlined the need for the Church “to heal wounds and to warm the hearts of the faithful.” “Ministers of the church must be ministers of mercy above all,” the Pope insists in the course of a 12,000-word interview. Conducted by Father Antonio Spadaro, the editor of the Italian Jesuit journal La Civilta Cattolica, the interview was translated and published simultaneously by other Jesuit publications, including the American magazine America.

And...The Vatican vets all content in Civilta Cattolica, and the pope approved the Italian version of the article, which America magazine, the Jesuit journal in the U.S., translated into English. (http://news.yahoo.com/pope-criticizes-church-emphasis-abortion-gays-220829409.html)

154 posted on 09/19/2013 10:06:24 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Arthurio

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


155 posted on 09/19/2013 10:18:11 PM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Soon everything in America will be "free", except it's people.)
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To: SkyPilot

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Praise GOD that LOVE is the Only Reality ..and GOD is LOVE.

Something Pope Francis seems to reflect quite Lovingly.

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156 posted on 09/19/2013 10:40:07 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: SkyPilot

Wonder how many folks had a knee-jerk reaction w/o hearing Pope Francis’s entire quote, w/o the spin.


157 posted on 09/19/2013 10:40:53 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the link. It sounds like a “hate the sin; love the sinner” message.


158 posted on 09/19/2013 10:47:18 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: GatorGirl

“..as reported by the National Catholic Reporter ..”

The NON-Catholic National “Catholic” Reporter did this? Leave it to C-BS to pick this publication.

The National “Catholic” Reporter has been asked to leave Catholic out of their name by Catholic leaders, but they’d rather continue their spin.


159 posted on 09/19/2013 10:52:06 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: stockpirate

What is the HCB?


160 posted on 09/19/2013 11:38:09 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Mr Rogers
I said that if a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge.

Maybe you aren't sir, but the God who you claim to serve and represent here on Earth is and He does judge. And in His Word (Genesis ch 19 & Romans ch 1) he makes it unmistakably clear that homosexual acts are sinful. Gen ch 19 clearly shows that homosexual acts committed by Sodom's and Gomorrah's inhabitants were the primary reason why it was necessary for God to destroy those cities and all their inhabitants. Also, in Romans ch 1 Paul tells us that the universal practice of homosexual acts by both sexes were the main reason why God destroyed the antediluvian world and all it's people except Noah and family with a global flood.

As for abortion, any medical doctor who knows enough to be licensed as a physician knows very well that aborting an unborn human being in his or her mother's womb is nothing less than premeditated murder for hire of an innocent human being.

If this Pope doesn't believe that abortion is murder and/or that homosexual acts are gross sin I don't believe it was the same God who I know and worship who chose him for that high office.

161 posted on 09/19/2013 11:39:44 PM PDT by epow ( "OOPS" is not in God's vocabulary.)
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To: rbmillerjr

10 commandments are now suggestions from a menu.

Thou shall not kill, unless thy victim be voiceless.

Wedding vows: What god has brought together, this man and wife, these two men playing with each others anus, let no man take apart. You may now fondle the drag queen.

Yes, the Pope has jumped the shark.


162 posted on 09/19/2013 11:47:34 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Le Chien Rouge

It’s now cool to be Catholic.

NAMBLA can come out and join the party.

Priests can have boy toys. Men can marry men. Who are we to judge?

I want to see the pope attend a gay parade with some leather chaps and a rainbow blouse.


163 posted on 09/19/2013 11:59:53 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Jeff Chandler

Maybe the Catholic Church could come up with a ceremony to sanctify an abortion. Make it a more joyous occasion.

We take pictures, pass out mementos. Congratulate the mother. Thank the doctor.

The whole abortion thingy needs a make over.


164 posted on 09/20/2013 12:13:08 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Bridesheadfan

Absolutely disgusting, and I know the Pope doesn’t approve of abortion.


165 posted on 09/20/2013 12:27:07 AM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: epow

The thought of two men getting married it just insane to me.

It makes a mockery of the ceremony. Abortion too. Life is not sacred, so just squish a baby like a bug. OK. Let’s pretend we didn’t see that.

This pope doesn’t have all the candles lit. He missed the bus. He’s no longer necessary, we have Obama.


166 posted on 09/20/2013 12:33:13 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

From the interview:

“But the proclamation of the saving love of God comes before moral and religious imperatives. [The previous sentence is the important one!!] Today sometimes it seems that the opposite order is prevailing. The homily is the touchstone to measure the pastor’s proximity and ability to meet his people, because those who preach must recognise the heart of their community and must be able to see where the desire for God is lively and ardent. The message of the Gospel, therefore, is not to be reduced to some aspects that, although relevant, on their own do not show the heart of the message of Jesus Christ.”

The sermon (Protestant) last Sunday had a prop of three real doors (all rigged up on frames and everything!). The first was of humanistic values. The second was Religion. Neither of those contained the abundant and eternal life. The third door was Jesus - the real answer to abundant and eternal Life.

I think the pope is saying something similar.


167 posted on 09/20/2013 12:58:20 AM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: boatbums

I’ve just never loved the kumbaya church and its milk toast music, its hand slapping and signs of peace in church....


168 posted on 09/20/2013 1:07:38 AM PDT by cherry
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To: svcw; All

What Pope Francis said IN CONTEXT:

“The church sometimes has locked itself up in small things, in small-minded rules. The most important thing is the first proclamation: Jesus Christ has saved you. And the ministers of the church must be ministers of mercy above all. The confessor, for example, is always in danger of being either too much of a rigorist or too lax. Neither is merciful,”


169 posted on 09/20/2013 1:10:31 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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>> CBS: [the Church’s] divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make it a merciful, more welcoming place for all.

ESAD to whomever said that.


170 posted on 09/20/2013 2:19:41 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: BwanaNdege

That shouldn’t be a disappointment, Bwana.

He is potentially keeping you from harm or planning something even better for you.

But I see you got there in the end. :)


171 posted on 09/20/2013 2:38:26 AM PDT by jodyel
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To: Sun
His comments were not spun by the news media, in fact, they are lauding and cheering his comments.

Liberals and the godless know exactly what he meant, because he said it - and he said it in clear terms.

It is usually the cowards and the liberals who hide behind their actions, and try to weasel out of what they said by saying they were misquoted or out of context. That does occur - but not in this instance. In the past few weeks, the pope has gone against the Bible in terms of salvation, sin, heaven, and precious life in the womb.

Pope Says Church Should Stop Obsessing Over Gays, Abortion

"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."

Joshua 24:15

172 posted on 09/20/2013 3:45:26 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Mamzelle

Completely agree with your thoughts. After told he was chosen by the enclave he made a comment something like “God forgive you.” That stands out now.


173 posted on 09/20/2013 4:10:45 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: Gamecock
atheists...live according to conscience...

He was definitely wrong about that. As with every part of a human, the conscience, too, is fallen, even though God can use it to good effect. Romans 1&2.

balance its divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make it a merciful, more welcoming place for all

The problem with this statement by the pope is its ambiguity. If he means, "Don't be the Revelation church of Ephesus.", then I'll wait for clarification from him. That would mean to me that he's saying, "Reject the sin, but love the sinner." I have no problem with that formulation.

If he's saying, however: "Ignore sin; go along to get along.", then I would say that he's pushing the church toward Pergamum & Thyatira by way of Laodicea.

Better to be a biblical Christian, and then we don't have to await some man clarifying his meaning. As a biblical Christian we are to "work out (our) own salvation with fear and trembling."

174 posted on 09/20/2013 4:15:54 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Mamzelle

Gut instincts are there for a reason. Sometimes we never find that reason out, other times it will eventually be backed up. I realized this last year with a similar vibe regarding a neighbor.


175 posted on 09/20/2013 4:25:49 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: lastchance

“Do not trust the MSM to ever get what the Pope said right. They do not understand the concept of welcoming the sinner so that he may be healed through Christ’s grace and mercy.”

They know what he said; they deliberately distort it. He said the Church policies on those issues were clear, and that he served the Church. He just wanted to be able to talk about other things as well; there is nothing from his mouth that any sane person could construe as change coming on any of those positions.


176 posted on 09/20/2013 4:25:59 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (The talking heads have admitted is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Arthurio

We don’t worship Popes....don’t sound stupid.


177 posted on 09/20/2013 4:26:01 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Any man of God on the world scene who is gettin love from Atheists, homosexuals, and abortion defenders does not seem to be very effective for his purpose. Time will tell. If his method ends up bringing more closer to God as in a revival I’m all for it. But as it stands right now, I’ve got a bad feeling it will be otherwise.


178 posted on 09/20/2013 4:33:41 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Yes, and if they ever team up I think we can know what the hour is.


179 posted on 09/20/2013 4:38:58 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

No, he does not have to be PC. Problem is he make statements sometimes that are too vague and allow the media to twist and misinterpret. So it becomes confusing for the faithful and for others. Prayers up.


180 posted on 09/20/2013 4:48:09 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: steve86

What the Pope is trying to do, I think, is to get back to the mystical dimension of the Church - in all aspects, as Body of Christ, as Bride of Christ, and as our Mother.

Vatican II theology ignored these traditional formulations and instead went for the dull bureaucratic term, “People of God,” a term that can only lead to smugness and exclusionary behavior. It did, in fact, lead to the development of a Church that was indistinguishable from the Protestant churches: inhabited only by the righteous and a dwindling number of people who saw the sacraments not as spiritual realities but as membership cards. And with a clergy that viewed everything p, including their jobs, in equally bureaucratic and unspiritual terms.

It is this view of the Church that permits people like nancy Pelosi and Katherine Sibelius to consider themselves good Catholics because, after all, their paper work is in order and clearly, since confession is rarely offered anymore and the assembly of the perfect just gathers to shake hands and wave at each other every Sunday (when they bother), they feel they’re good to go. This is the view that Francis wants to change. He wants to bring it back to a matter of life and death, and this is what he feels will convert people.


181 posted on 09/20/2013 4:57:56 AM PDT by livius
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To: SkyPilot

I agree with what the man said


182 posted on 09/20/2013 5:06:57 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: SoCalTransplant

Dear SoCal, Thank you for your extensive and thoughtful answer. I am a Protestant who also believes that Catholics and all other Christians, such as the Copts of Egypt, Maronites, Greek and Russian Orthodox churches are also Brothers and Sisters in Christ. I believe that we are in agreement that we agree with the Pope in essentials, but disagree with his style/way of presenting them.

One of the things that we are also dealing with is the varities of translation, which might color how we see his style. These are perlous times in which all of Christianity is under attack, and we must focus on what unites us, rather than to focus on internicene squables that makes us “weaker” against the secular and anti-Christian forces in the world.

Marantha.


183 posted on 09/20/2013 5:34:51 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: boatbums

Dear Boatbums,

I do not understand the point of your reply? I am NOT being cute or sarcastic, but honest that I don’t understand what is the point you are making?


184 posted on 09/20/2013 5:48:40 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: SkyPilot

Change these fundamental positions of the church at your own risk.

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/06/04/elca-has-lost-half-a-million-members/


185 posted on 09/20/2013 5:52:40 AM PDT by kempster
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To: nickcarraway
Jesuits are Catholic? That’s funny. At my Jesuit school they made it very clear they were not a Catholic school, they were Jesuit.

That's a new one on me.

I'll have to clue in all my Catholic friends who send their kids to those Jesuit-run Catholic schools about that, and then eliminate that affirmation response from my conversation -- "Is a Jesuit Catholic?"

186 posted on 09/20/2013 5:59:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SkyPilot

It means we need to bring the good news of the Gospel of Christ to ALL.


187 posted on 09/20/2013 6:06:25 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: rbmillerjr

Not really. They said the same thing about Blessed Pope John XXIII.


188 posted on 09/20/2013 6:07:27 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
It means we need to bring the good news of the Gospel of Christ to ALL.

The Good News is for all, and Christ told us to bring it to every people and nation. So what is the Gospel message?

It is the single most important bridge between man and God, recognizing that we cannot wash away our own sins and repair the gulf that separates us from our Creator. Only through belief in Christ and repentance can we be declared guiltless of our sin through the Grace of Christ and be saved from Hell itself.

"The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

Mark 1:15

Jesus spoke more times in the 4 Gospels about Hell than He did about Heaven. Jesus did not compromise.

Notice that Christ mentioned repentance. Without repentance from our past sinful lifestyles, thoughts, behaviors, and actions - our new commitment to God is a false one. Sin can NEVER be negotiated with - God does not tolerate compromise with His Truth.

Jesus said every jot and tittle of the Law would be fulfilled. Jesus told people what they did not want to hear. Jesus did not go along to get along. Jesus constantly upheld the authority of Scripture.

The pope is not doing what Christ commanded, therefore, the pope is not spreading the true Gospel.

189 posted on 09/20/2013 6:17:30 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: GreyFriar

During these most difficult times for Christians world-wide, the focus MUST be on what is most important, the GOSPEL of Jesus.


190 posted on 09/20/2013 6:19:51 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SkyPilot

Oh YES he is. He is taking the good news of the GOSPEL of Jesus to the everyday folks.


191 posted on 09/20/2013 6:24:48 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: xzins
Well said.

The issue, as i see it is this: the sinner out there, whether atheist or homosexual sees these statements and immediately feels better about their sin. “Hey! The Pope says it's OK to be an atheist! As long as i live a good life I'm OK.”

We are told that religious leaders will be judged harder, i think this is the very reason why.

192 posted on 09/20/2013 6:25:12 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Biggirl

You didn’t even contemplate what I wrote.


193 posted on 09/20/2013 6:26:38 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Rather “comtemplate” Luke 7:36-50 please. Thank-you.


194 posted on 09/20/2013 6:28:14 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: livius

We have a WINNER!


195 posted on 09/20/2013 6:33:36 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Gamecock

I agree. Without clarification it leads atheists, gays, and abortionists to think he’s floating trial balloons to move the Catholic Church moral positions to the left.

Without clarification, they would be right in thinking so.


196 posted on 09/20/2013 6:33:36 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Gamecock
The issue, as i see it is this: the sinner out there, whether atheist or homosexual sees these statements and immediately feels better about their sin.
“Hey! The Pope says it's OK to be an atheist! As long as i live a good life I'm OK.”


I believe many don't want to listen to God, because he says what they don't want to hear.
God says no...alot.

When a leader of the church speaks this way, it's sort of a bait and switch.
Because later on a person finds out what they're doing is not okay.

This is just how I see it.
197 posted on 09/20/2013 6:34:35 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: svcw
More and more, this pope reminds me of Obama and Organizing for America:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/one-hell-of-a-deal-pope-francis-offers-reduced-time-in-purgatory-for-catholics-that-follow-him-on-twitter-8713666.html

“Salvation – or at least a shorter stay in Purgatory – might now be only a tweet away with news that Pope Francis is to offer “indulgences” – remissions for temporary punishment – to the faithful who follow him on the social media site.”

And this below...threats of catastrophe have always worked well for Obama, why not give it a try, eh?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europe/pope-bluntly-faults-churchs-focus-on-gays-and-abortion.html?_r=0

It seems OK with this Pope that those who voted for Obama also voted in favor of “Partial Birth Abortion”. So in other words folks, look the other way and keep going to Church, and no matter what, don't forget your weekly contribution!

198 posted on 09/20/2013 6:35:46 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I still want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: novemberslady

Spot on.


199 posted on 09/20/2013 6:35:48 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: livius

And also he is doing this because he knows that over the course of time, the attacks against Christians is going to go up so he is also preparing them as well.


200 posted on 09/20/2013 6:37:49 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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