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Pope Francis: Catholic Church must focus beyond "small-minded rules"
CBS ^ | 19 Sep 13 | CBS staff writer

Posted on 09/19/2013 2:46:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot

VATICAN CITY Pope Francis has warned that the Catholic Church's moral structure might "fall like a house of cards" if it doesn't balance its divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make it a merciful, more welcoming place for all.

Six months into his papacy, Francis set out his vision for the church and his priorities as pope in a lengthy and remarkably blunt interview with La Civilta Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit magazine. It was published simultaneously Thursday in Jesuit journals in 16 countries, including America magazine in the U.S.

John Allen, a senior correspondent with the National Catholic Reporter, told CBS Radio News the pope is not changing church policy but makes it clear that he wants a less judgmental church.

"I think he is conscious that he's at a sort of make-or-break moment where the kind of pope he wants to be - if he wants to affect real change - he's got to be explicit about it," Allen said.

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In the 12,000-word article, Francis expands on his ground-breaking comments over the summer about gays and acknowledges some of his own faults. He sheds light on his favorite composers, artists, authors and films (Mozart, Caravaggio, Dostoevsky and Fellini's "La Strada") and says he prays even while at the dentist's office.

But his vision of what the church should be stands out, primarily because it contrasts so sharply with many of the priorities of his immediate predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict XVI. They were both intellectuals for whom doctrine was paramount, an orientation that guided the selection of a generation of bishops and cardinals around the globe.

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To: Mrs. Don-o
The moral law doesn't mean much to people who see it as just an irrelevant restriction on their freedom, imposed on them by busybodies who are irritating interlopers in their lives; but once they are attracted to Christ and begin to acquire the mind of Christ, gradually it makes sense to them: they grasp the horror of what they're doing, AND they have the grace from Him which strengthens them to do good and avoid evil.

In many ways I think some of this debate I see in reading this thread and the "objections" many are putting forth about what they think the Pope said are the result of the Church's many years of acting like the very 'edifice' Pope Francis is talking about. If a church or congregation acts like an unmerciful moral edifice the church will crumble. If a church has open doors through which the sinner can enter and seek God, the church grows.

There are many times I read posts in the religion forum and ponder the unmerciful words I read coming from Christians & Catholics alike. I left many congregations because of the unmerciful ones within the so-called body of Christ. To be rebuked for sin is one thing, to find no mercy, no support, and no help is completely another. The media spin on what the Pope actually said has head's exploding, but reading his full words leads one to understand that he is calling for the Catholic Church to return to the demonstration of the full mercy of God for the sinner.

And wasn't this the message of Christ time and again, from the adulteress to be stoned to the forgiveness of the thief on the cross? To the Pharisees and the unmerciful ones, Christ told us who had the Right to cast the first stone. And to those who found the Grace of God...Jesus told them to go and sin no more. The sinner can't find God if we're constantly throwing stones at them.

301 posted on 09/22/2013 3:38:59 AM PDT by EBH ( Freeman: A person not in slavery or serfdom.)
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To: Sun
Sun,

Unless I quote all 66 books of the Bible here (minus the apocrypha), then I am on your words, "picking and choosing" Scripture. Did not Jesus Himself quote Scripture passages to show the truth?

Like many Catholics, you hold on to this notion that you "started" the Christian belief and therefore you have no worries about adhering to any authority in Scripture. Let me remind you that Romans says we ALL have fallen short of the glory of God, and furthermore in Revelation that God severely judges churches for their failings. The Catholic Church and its supposed leaders will come under the gaze of The Lord very soon, as will you and I.

Do not hold onto truth or salvation because of who "started" the Roman church. Second century Christians would not recognize The Way in the current Roman church, and the Bible does not say Christ rewards hearts based on who claims they got to second base first. It says He judges, and that should bring fear and trembling to all of us. You hold on to tradition, but not the Scriptures. God will hold you accountable for that.

302 posted on 09/22/2013 6:14:47 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Paving the way toward a one world religion.


303 posted on 09/22/2013 8:30:20 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude
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To: EBH
True, and well-spoken, EBH. I can see you've put a lot of thought and experience into this.

I do wonder how many people here actually read Pope Francis' 12,000 word interview?

The full text can be found in the U.S. publication American Magazine (www.americamagazine.org) and in the UK based online journal Thnking Faith (www.thinkingfaith.org)

It's merciful, warm, and beautiful: I didn't think there's anything in it that an Evangelical Christian couldn't enthusiastically endorse or at least understand favorably; and there's plenty there to challenge left and right alike.

It glorifies Jesus Christ and radiates goodwill toward people of goodwill whomever they may be.

The liberal media have done their usual cultural vandalism on it: select, discard, crop, and frame. If you read the whole thing I assure you it will be well worth your time.

Always nice to hear from you!

304 posted on 09/22/2013 3:00:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (B.A.S.I.C. = "Brothers and Sisters in Christ")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks. And yes, I spend a lot of time thinking about God’s Word and listening/watching this Pope Francis.

I do tend to like him very much. People who are confused by him because they are looking for him to somehow change fundamental doctrine, when he is actually calling us to return to some of the very basic teachings of the Church.

Humbleness, mercy, forgiveness, examination of conscience, and a return to the message of salvation.


305 posted on 09/22/2013 4:34:53 PM PDT by EBH ( Freeman: A person not in slavery or serfdom.)
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To: SkyPilot

“..Like many Catholics, you hold on to this notion that you “started” the Christian belief and therefore you have no worries about adhering to any authority in Scripture. ..”

I did not start the Catholic Church, Jesus did.

And speaking of Scripture, here it is again from the New Testament:

MATTHEW Chapter 16 “And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.”

I know you love Jesus, SkyPilot, which is great, of course, but you should not believe LMSM, or the so-called National “Catholic” Reporter, and attack the Church.

Next time read the words from the Pope, or other leader, and not the media spin, or phrases out of context.


306 posted on 09/22/2013 9:35:33 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: 21twelve

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..LOVE is LOVE - HATE is HATE - LOVE beats HATE =

..The Only Reality..

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307 posted on 09/25/2013 5:41:34 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: NKP_Vet
[addressing a statement that said "the Catholic Church recognizes the Sacraments of Baptism and of Matrimony as valid in all Christian denominations"]
APOSTOLIC CHURCH: Invalid
CHRISTADELPHIANS: Invalid
CHRISTIAN SCIENTISTS: Invalid
CHURCH OF DIVINE SCIENCE: Invalid
JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES: Invalid
LATTER DAY SAINTS CHURCH (MORMON): Invalid
PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES: Invalid
UNIVERSALISTS: Invalid

Not sure why you would bring these up, unless you believe that these are "Christian (Protestant) denominations". Is that what you believe?

308 posted on 10/08/2013 5:44:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Alex Murphy

The baptisms in the faiths I listed are not recognized as being valied because their baptism is a not a trinatarian baptism.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/trinitarian-baptism


309 posted on 10/08/2013 5:59:29 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
The baptisms in the faiths I listed are not recognized as being valied because their baptism is a not a trinatarian baptism.

I am aware of that, but that wasn't the question. Why you would bring these up, unless you believe that these are "Christian (Protestant) denominations". Is that what you believe?

310 posted on 10/08/2013 6:06:26 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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