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Paul: We probably can't get rid of ‘Obamacare’
Associated Press ^ | Sep. 21, 2013 5:15 PM EDT | Thomas Beaumont

Posted on 09/21/2013 2:28:46 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Republican Sen. Rand Paul says President Barack Obama’s health care law probably can't be defeated or gotten rid of.

And he’s suggesting there is little he and other congressional Republicans can do to stop the law from taking effect. …

(Excerpt) Read more at bigstory.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Kentucky; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 113th; bhohealthcare; gopestablishment; kentucky; michigan; obamacare; randnesty; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; rino; ronpaultruthfile
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1 posted on 09/21/2013 2:28:46 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Yo Paul! Aint it a bit early to show your hand?


2 posted on 09/21/2013 2:30:20 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Olog-hai

I’d say his odds of becoming the next president just dropped big time.


3 posted on 09/21/2013 2:30:29 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Olog-hai

Bull Shit


4 posted on 09/21/2013 2:31:40 PM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: Olog-hai
Then what good is he?
5 posted on 09/21/2013 2:32:10 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: Olog-hai
Then just quit and go home. Let a real man fight for us.

Pansy.

6 posted on 09/21/2013 2:32:27 PM PDT by bayliving
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yup. Cruz was on Levin’s show Thursday night and was very gracious toward Rand. Rand seems to want the Oval Office too much, and he may be trying to distance himself from Cruz. If so, big mistake.


7 posted on 09/21/2013 2:34:37 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Olog-hai

Gees, did Rand Paul just catch that well known disease that afflicts Republicans in Washington D.C. called Rollover Syndrome? Stand up for principle, even for a lost cause. Show the people that you aren’t another bought off politician. There goes my support for this guy.


8 posted on 09/21/2013 2:34:45 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Olog-hai

If the majority of voters hate it, it can easily become history.


9 posted on 09/21/2013 2:35:08 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Olog-hai

It’s worth getting the Leftie Senators to vote over and over on FUNDING it, though. And never, never give up. They all work for us, in DC, including you, Senator Paul.


10 posted on 09/21/2013 2:36:10 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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The House can stand its ground until the 2014 elections and shut it all down.

Yes it can defeat Obamacare.

The Democrats are counting on Republicans not having any spine for a bite-fight to the death.


11 posted on 09/21/2013 2:36:19 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: dowcaet

Rand is off from the majority of conservatives ~50% of the time. No way will he become POTUS.


12 posted on 09/21/2013 2:36:20 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Then what good is he?

He represents Washington for the voters back home.

13 posted on 09/21/2013 2:36:32 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: bayliving

We have 2 who are - Ted Cruz and Mike Lee.

Run Ted Run!!!


14 posted on 09/21/2013 2:36:37 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: USCG SimTech
"The House can stand its ground until the 2014 elections and shut it all down."

Yep, That is my favorite stratergy.

15 posted on 09/21/2013 2:37:12 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: mylife

It is not inconsistent with what has said in the past, especially on FNS.


16 posted on 09/21/2013 2:38:11 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: mylife

When the Democrats have a Senate majority, how do you get rid of Obamacare?

Isn’t Rand Paul just stating the obvious?


17 posted on 09/21/2013 2:39:34 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: Olog-hai

There really isn’t a need for a Republican Party anymore.


18 posted on 09/21/2013 2:39:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Olog-hai

Paul has a point, but only if he believes that Republicans will cave in the Senate - add votes to Demos for 60 and Republicans will cave in the house in the conference.

History is on his side.


19 posted on 09/21/2013 2:39:48 PM PDT by relentlessly
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To: jsanders2001

The Republicans don’t have the numbers, unfortunately.


20 posted on 09/21/2013 2:40:00 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Paladin2

I, myself, am not conservative on many social issues, but I’m getting tired of watching one Republican after another roll over on economic issues to this administration. How can we fix this country when our own side aids and abets the other team?


21 posted on 09/21/2013 2:40:28 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Olog-hai

I’m afraid this acorn didn’t fall far from the tree. Like his father, his chief interest is power and pork. They talk, talk, talk, but it doesn’t mean anything when it comes to the showdown.


22 posted on 09/21/2013 2:41:15 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Olog-hai

B/S. Something told me Rand Paul would be among the first to cave. Completely unreliable!

Hold the line!!

The house must never pass or approve any bill or senate amendment that allows obamacare to go forward.

Obamacare sets the SCOTUS approved precedent of unlimited government power. The precent set would mean that the government can force anything they wish on the American people, constitution be damned.

That would be checkmate.


23 posted on 09/21/2013 2:41:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Olog-hai

Which dad do you trust as First Father? Paul’s or Cruz’s?


24 posted on 09/21/2013 2:42:09 PM PDT by ryderann
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To: jsanders2001
Rand Paul: September 18, 2013

At the 4:50 mark of the video, Rand Paul goes totally off the rails when discussing Hussein Obama's past as a dope fiend:

"And I think what a tragedy it would it would have been if he had gone to prison. What a tragedy it would have been that America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader."

There are so many things wrong with Paul's defense of Hussein Obama:

Rand Paul is unfit for office by his words giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
25 posted on 09/21/2013 2:42:52 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: Paladin2
If the majority of voters hate it, it can easily become history

But a majority of the voters don't hate it.

26 posted on 09/21/2013 2:42:58 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: dowcaet
"How can we fix this country when our own side aids and abets the other team?"

Quite impossible.

We can wait for common sense in the electorate to prevail and go virtual Galt until then.

27 posted on 09/21/2013 2:43:03 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Olog-hai

Aw krap Paul.
OF COURSE you can get rid of O-care.
Congress has the power of the purse.
Defund it and it is mostly gone.
We can clean up whatever garbage remains later on...


28 posted on 09/21/2013 2:43:10 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (Er)
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To: Jim Noble

Polls say they do.


29 posted on 09/21/2013 2:43:32 PM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: ryderann

We should never stop trying.

Did the leftists ever stop trying to destroy traditional morals and traditional marriage?


30 posted on 09/21/2013 2:43:40 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Paladin2

.....”If the majority of voters hate it, it can easily become history”......not unless voter fraud stops, & nothing is being done about voter fraud....nothing whatsoever. it’s never hardly mentioned.....seems like part of a big scheme where nothing ever happens about any corruption, no matter how outrageous.


31 posted on 09/21/2013 2:45:03 PM PDT by stickywillie (how come there are no father-in-law jokes?)
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To: dowcaet

If Marriage can be toppled after thousands of years you should never say never.

It’s the Republican leaders who surrender on issue after issue.


32 posted on 09/21/2013 2:45:09 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: mylife

The only way to get rid of it is if enough people refuse to sign up, especially young people who the administration is counting on.


33 posted on 09/21/2013 2:46:16 PM PDT by goldi
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To: Olog-hai

Unfortunately, it’s what the majority of voters in 2012 wanted. So, the best way to deal with it is to let it take effect and hopefully the voters will backlash against it.


34 posted on 09/21/2013 2:46:17 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Olog-hai
The problem with the repubs is they have no idea how to fight.

Take a page from the dims book.

If it is correct that the way obumberscare law is written that it can not be stopped, then pick out one or more obumbler pets that can be defunded and defund them totally.

When obumbler cries, tell him what it will take to get his money back.

Whack the IRS. Without the power to tax, there will be none of this foolishness.

Defund the IRS. Then when he cries, make it a sales tax with a minimum that will only fund that which the Constitution enumerates.

35 posted on 09/21/2013 2:46:20 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Olog-hai

Bull puckey.

That’s like saying that Americans have no choice in our laws.


36 posted on 09/21/2013 2:46:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: WilliamIII

When the GOP had the majority and the White House, how did the Democrats get Medicare expanded?


37 posted on 09/21/2013 2:46:59 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: dowcaet
I, myself, am not conservative on many social issues,

How can we fix this country when our own side aids and abets the other team?

Well, we could start by weeding out those who are not "conservative on many social issues"

38 posted on 09/21/2013 2:47:20 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: WilliamIII
You're absolutely right. It's just a way of going on the record.

When we get the house and senate and White House...then we'll see....except it would be like trying to get rid of Medicare at that point.

39 posted on 09/21/2013 2:47:56 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: WilliamIII

If the House refuses to pass a bill funding obamacare then it doesn’t get funded. Period. And according to James Madison, that is their right and duty.

The senate has no say in the matter. If they amend the bill and send it back to the house, then the house rejects it. Then begins passing a series of individual “clean” bills to fund each and every essential department one by one. If Reid amends them, reject them again. They can play this game right up to election day. The people will not be fooled by Obama/Reid.


40 posted on 09/21/2013 2:48:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Olog-hai

That’s the spirit, Rand! Way to encourage us!


41 posted on 09/21/2013 2:48:46 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Sacajaweau

If the House refuses to pass a bill funding obamacare then it doesn’t get funded. Period. And according to James Madison, that is their right and duty.

The senate has no say in the matter. If they amend the bill and send it back to the house, then the house rejects it. Then begins passing a series of individual “clean” bills to fund each and every essential department one by one. If Reid amends them, reject them again. They can play this game right up to election day. The people will not be fooled by Obama/Reid.


42 posted on 09/21/2013 2:49:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jonty30
The Republicans don’t have the numbers, unfortunately.

And probably will never have them until the Federal Freebies dry up. Of course by then it will be too late and we will be a northern state of Mexico.

43 posted on 09/21/2013 2:49:09 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Is there anything in CONTEXT about what Rand said?

Remember, this is the Associated Press....they could be posting this to discourage us!


44 posted on 09/21/2013 2:49:46 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: fso301

Great idea.

That is how we got rid of the IRS.

And the EPA.

Interior Department.

Department of Education....

Wait...that didn’t work with them?


45 posted on 09/21/2013 2:50:55 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: mylife

“Aint it a bit early to show your hand?”

Reality check: everybody knows how this story will end.

Republicans do not have the numbers to defeat Obamacare at the moment.

Having said that, note that there are no quotes from Rand in the excerpt that was posted.

Also in the article:

“He says that working from the position of not funding the health care law might help render it, quote, “less bad.””

Cruz and Lee are his attack dogs. At the end of the day he’s just trying to negotiate from a position of strength and hopefully postpone/delay the obamacare implementation.

Only a republican president will sign the repeal.


46 posted on 09/21/2013 2:51:55 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Olog-hai
This is still America.
Where there is a Will there is a Way.
Actually, getting rid of ObamaCare should be a slam dunk given that the majority of Americans have ALWAYS been against it despite voluminous unprecedented lying propaganda from Obama, the Demmunist Party, and the Lame Stream Media.
I'm extremely disappointed if Rand Paul actually said this.
47 posted on 09/21/2013 2:52:49 PM PDT by Amagi (God Save the Republic.)
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To: mylife

I agree. Rand Paul doesn’t believe in the first amendment, after all.

It’s the first amendment that says: “or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

That’s the part that’s being appealed to.

There is a grievance...ObamaCare is killing the nation already and will complete the act after it gets funded.

We are raising our voices demanding, “Don’t Do It OR Face the Consequences!”

Rand apparently believes the people are inconsequential.


48 posted on 09/21/2013 2:53:24 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Olog-hai

This is the biggest scam perpetrated on the “middleclass” in American history! These scumbags including chief justice who failed to kill it when it came to him, are responsible and I hope they will be held accountable


49 posted on 09/21/2013 2:53:48 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (What you get when you refuse to vet)
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To: Olog-hai

Butt out of the fight, Rand.


50 posted on 09/21/2013 2:55:10 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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