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7th-grader suspended for playing with airsoft gun in own yard
http://www.foxnews.com/ ^ | September 24, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 09/24/2013 7:26:10 AM PDT by Whenifhow

A seventh-grade student in Virginia Beach, Va., has been suspended from school for playing with an airsoft gun with a friend in his front yard while waiting for the school bus.

WAVY-TV reports that 13-year-old Khalid Caraballo will find out soon if he will be expelled for "possession, handling and use of a firearm" because the guns were fired at two others playing in Caraballo's yard.

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The school's so-called "zero-tolerance" policy on guns extends to private property, according to the report.

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"It's on your school record. The school said I had possession of a firearm. They aren't going to ask me any questions. They are going to think it was a real gun, and I was trying to hurt someone," he said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; education; guncontrol; liberalsareinsane; school; secondamendment; toygun; zerotolerance
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1 posted on 09/24/2013 7:26:10 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

2:38 Minutes
Students Suspended From School - Boys Were Firing Toy Guns In Their Front Yard - Wake Up America!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Y_j5l09QQ

This video repeats a few things, but has some good background info since it is a compilation of local reports

11:38 Minutes
Suspended Student May Be Expelled for Rest of the Year for Playing With Toy Gun...in His Own Yard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYTqbpOiEk0


2 posted on 09/24/2013 7:27:20 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

The inmates are running the asylum.


3 posted on 09/24/2013 7:27:53 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: Whenifhow

Um, HIS front yard.


4 posted on 09/24/2013 7:27:58 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Whenifhow
Coming soon -- Nacht und Nebel

The government crackdown will escalate until we get to the point where heinous transgressors like this child are just "disappeared". It's what the Left does.

5 posted on 09/24/2013 7:28:19 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Whenifhow

living in virginia... what’d you expect? might as well live in new york


6 posted on 09/24/2013 7:28:23 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Whenifhow

He’s her property until he becomes the schools property????


7 posted on 09/24/2013 7:28:56 AM PDT by Frapster (Clear the mechanism)
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To: Whenifhow

btw... ‘firearm’ ... it was an airsoft gun. no fire was involved.

at best, it was a projectile weapon


8 posted on 09/24/2013 7:29:16 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Whenifhow

The bureaucrats are totally out of control.

(Although 13yo ‘Khalid’ with a gun doesn’t inspire confidence.)


9 posted on 09/24/2013 7:29:24 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Whenifhow
From the story:

The school's so-called "zero-tolerance" policy on guns extends to private property, according to the report.

Likely to include Pop-Tarts chewed down into "gun" shapes? Government schools suck.

10 posted on 09/24/2013 7:29:30 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Whenifhow

The Public Indoctrination System apparently owns our kids before they even leave their homes, now. Appalling totalitarianism.


11 posted on 09/24/2013 7:30:13 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Whenifhow

Insanity.

Defund the Left’s indoctrination centers and padlock the doors for good.


12 posted on 09/24/2013 7:30:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The GOP establishment is like a dodo bird: Not too bright and on its way to extinction.)
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To: Whenifhow

If school authorities or teachers cannot, or will not, make a distinction between a real “firearm” and a toy they are not mentally or morally competent to be in a position of responsibility and influence over children of any age.


13 posted on 09/24/2013 7:30:44 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Frapster

He’s her property until he becomes the schools property????
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I noticed that comment too, but I think she meant that the incident took place on “their” property.

Chalk it up to a nervous mom?


14 posted on 09/24/2013 7:30:53 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Maybe someone ought to explain to the school the difference between a toy gun and an actual firearm. They should include actual examples of each.


15 posted on 09/24/2013 7:31:04 AM PDT by cork (Remember Bengazi!)
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To: Whenifhow

golly as kids we used to play Cops & Robbers, Cowboys & Indians, etc. I wonder what they want the kids to do when they play?? Let me guess??


16 posted on 09/24/2013 7:31:14 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Whenifhow

So, I’m guessing paint ball and going duck hunting are out? You value your freedom to go and hunt as guaranteed by the 2nd amendment(at least that’s what the libs think)and just the mere thought that you might embrace that freedom you get a mark on your “permanent record”. The downward spiral continues. Insanity prevails. DON’T ever let your kids post pics of them hunting on social networks or they are doomed to being ostracized by the elitists.


17 posted on 09/24/2013 7:31:25 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Whenifhow

Said policy also covers bladed weapons. I would posit that every child in the district should face the same punishment, for the cutlery in their kitchens.


18 posted on 09/24/2013 7:32:31 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Whenifhow
Hahahah this is just beyond belief.

Why am I laughing? I was just at parents weekend at Ohio University Athens Ohio and our daughter wanted to go to Wal-Mart to get a better nerf weapon for her Humans vs. Zombies ARG she is entered in that takes place on Campus.

While visiting the campus this weekend I watched several students and a few profs and staff have a large nerf weapon battle on the quad. They take their Humans vs. Zombies ARG seriously and practice often.

I guess Southern Ohio is just different. ;-)

19 posted on 09/24/2013 7:32:44 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Whenifhow
“At what point, then, should one resist? When one's belt is taken away? When one is ordered to face into a corner? When one crosses the threshold of one's home? An arrest consists of a series of incidental irrelevancies, of a multitude of things that do not matter, and there seems no point in arguing about one of them individually...and yet all these incidental irrelevancies taken together implacably constitute the arrest. ” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
20 posted on 09/24/2013 7:33:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: Whenifhow
"It's on your school record. The school said I had possession of a firearm. They aren't going to ask me any questions. They are going to think it was a real gun, and I was trying to hurt someone," he said.

The idiots who run the school don't even know what a "firearm" is.

21 posted on 09/24/2013 7:33:24 AM PDT by grundle
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To: Whenifhow

YA KNOW AS THE REST OF THE BARBARIAN WORLD READS THIS SISSIFICATION CRAP THE MORE THEY BECOME EMBOLDENED AND THE MORE LIKELY THEY CONCLUDE AMERICA IS A NATION OF SCARED WOMEN; A NATION OF EASY MARKS AND THE MORE LIKELY THEY’LL MAKE MOVES AGAINST US....I WONDER IF THE MORONIC BOOBS WHO PERPETRATE THIS CRAP EVER CONSIDER THIS EVENTUALITY...PRETTY STUPID OF THEM ACTUALLY...! DANGEROUS TO...!


22 posted on 09/24/2013 7:34:40 AM PDT by jimsin
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To: Whenifhow

I think she meant to use the word “responsibility” rather than property.


23 posted on 09/24/2013 7:34:53 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Whenifhow

Yeah - probably. But I still scratch my head when I see people say these things... gone are the days of being in control of our own destiny ... at least in the thinking of a lot of people.


24 posted on 09/24/2013 7:38:32 AM PDT by Frapster (Clear the mechanism)
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To: Whenifhow

Now kids can’t copy Sgt Saunders of Combat in their own yard .


25 posted on 09/24/2013 7:38:50 AM PDT by jennychase
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To: elpadre

Rump Rangers and Anarchists.


26 posted on 09/24/2013 7:40:28 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Whenifhow

Apparently the educrats involved are playing with airsoft brains.


27 posted on 09/24/2013 7:40:32 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: Whenifhow

Go after the teachers and school officials that have children, for playing with toy guns. On THEIR property. You can bet they are out there.

Go to their houses, their offices, where they hang out and intimidate them at every turn. Time to put these assholes on notice.

Turnabout is fair play.


28 posted on 09/24/2013 7:42:17 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Little Pig

I think she meant to use the word “responsibility” rather than property.
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Thanks - that’s a good interpretation.


29 posted on 09/24/2013 7:43:14 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow
Looking at the actual letter from the school, we find the real reason:
In the course of the investigation, conducted in concert with a police officer and the school division Office of Safety and Loss Control, we identified the children who were firing pellet guns at each other and at people near the bus stop. Several students verified that they had been hit by pellets and had the marks to support their claims. In one instance, a child was only 10 feet from the bus stop and ran from the shots being fired but was still hit. Another student claimed to be shot in the back while running away during a previous incident Wednesday, Sept. 11. This child was also shot in the arm and head during Thursday’s incident
He wasn't suspended for having an airsoft gun. He was suspended for assaulting other kids waiting for the school bus with it.
30 posted on 09/24/2013 7:45:42 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Whenifhow

Does the school claim that with this rule that no child in their district can go shooting or hunting... EVER? Wanna bet this stupid rule is about to be modified... whoever conceived it, approved it and tried to enforce it should be publically named and sacked. Sheez.


31 posted on 09/24/2013 7:45:42 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: Mad Dawgg

While visiting the campus this weekend I watched several students and a few profs and staff have a large nerf weapon battle on the quad. They take their Humans vs. Zombies ARG seriously and practice often.
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Are there any articles about this event?


32 posted on 09/24/2013 7:46:05 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow
There is no use grousing about these abuses, start a fund and use it to sue the living daylights out of government officials that engage in this conduct.

Is there anything comparable to the Pacific Legal Foundation in Virginia?

33 posted on 09/24/2013 7:47:33 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Whenifhow

LOL, the Liberal mindset has conquered the USA. When I was in 7th grade we all had water pistols, we would hide them in our brief cases with jars of water to resupply. This whole no tolerance is BS. I can’t think of any of my classmates ever growing up to be gang shooters or any kind of criminal. Even our doddles on/in our loose leaf books had drawings of cowboys or war scenes. Our #2 fingers were gun barrels if we didn’t have anything else. At what point will we stop the insanity? I even had a Roy Rogers cap pistol in my briefcase in 5th grade. Here I am 65 years later and I still don’t have an arrest record of any kind. Boy did we miss out on all the neat stuff like those air soft guns, we had to make our own out of wood cartons and rubber bands to shoot pieces of linoleum. (We also knew how to make guns from car antennas, but I won’t go there, it was an inner city thing.)We were definitely a tougher generation of kids compared to those of today.


34 posted on 09/24/2013 7:50:52 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods? Glenn Doherty ? Forgot already?)
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To: PilotDave

some of those kids are playing “Call of Duty: Black Ops II” right now I bet... should they be suspended? lol


35 posted on 09/24/2013 7:53:38 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: PapaBear3625

“Pellet guns”

I call BS! I know of no pellet gun that would only leave a mark. All pellet guns and bb guns would penetrate skin leaving a wound requiring medical attention. The school is lying to cover their asses.


36 posted on 09/24/2013 7:53:58 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: Whenifhow
Un-f%$#*^g-believable. And anyone in any official government capacity wonders why they're loathed, despised, and hated by the masses?
37 posted on 09/24/2013 7:55:06 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: elpadre

If our society had been as twisted back then, elpadre, you and I would’ve been hauled in on the first day of summer vacation, and not just for gun use!

When I was a kid, Gunsmoke and Combat were on TV. Combat was great! Lots of action! We’d dig trenches in the sandbox, plant land mines, throw grenades; and the cowboy and indian stuff went far beyond Doc and Festus being held hostage in the Longbranch.

How about tying a “bad guy” to a tree (no, not by his neck!) and kicking his “horse” out from under him? And I’m a girl! What do you think weasels like these would’ve thrown at us back then? “Book ‘em, Dano,” doesn’t even come close!

These tools were playing with Barbies, while I was using her head as the ball and her body as the bat... well, sometimes. By the way, your screen name would have been perfect for a Gunsmoke episode. :-)


38 posted on 09/24/2013 7:57:47 AM PDT by floralamiss
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To: bamahead; PapaBear3625

The document you mentioned can be found linked on this website.
http://www.wavy.com/news/local/va-beach/has-zero-tolerance-gone-too-far

this letter was not mentioned in either video although the longer video tells about the 911 call on Sept 9 and caller says he is in his yard. about 3:20 min

There is also a link for the 911 audio on the page, but I can’t get it to work
http://media2.wavy.com/audio/Carew911call.wav


39 posted on 09/24/2013 7:58:25 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Student Faces Expulsion For Playing With Toy Gun In His Own Yard
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3070579/posts

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/student-faces-expulsion-for-playing-with-toy-gun-in-his-own-yard/


40 posted on 09/24/2013 8:01:16 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: PapaBear3625

Notice how many are so quick to denigrate the School but fail to notice this punk was shooting kids near or at the bus stop. If it were one of my kids the punishment would have been much more severe so I applaud this kids removal.


41 posted on 09/24/2013 8:01:39 AM PDT by soupbone1
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To: PilotDave
Agreed on the Pellet Guns, likely the "journalist" didn't know what they were talkng about.

I think that it's likely an "Airsoft" gun. They're the current fad, at least in my neck of the world. Lots of "airsoft wars" going on. I was a little concerned, until I went out and had them shoot me with one, they're about one step below paintballs. My only rule for my kids is that they need to wear eye protection.

I read the letter from the school principal, referenced in post #30. Fills some of this story in, but not completely. Missing, or glossed over, is whether or not everyone involved was a willing participant.

If my neighbor's kid and my kid were shooting at each other in my backyard, this would be a non-story. However, if my neighbors kid was shooting at my (unarmed, unprotected) kid, while he was waiting for the school bus to come ..... well, then, a school suspension would be the last of his worries.

42 posted on 09/24/2013 8:02:35 AM PDT by wbill
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To: soupbone1

GMTA, see my post 42.


43 posted on 09/24/2013 8:03:38 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Whenifhow

Crap, when I was in 7th grade I was shooting indoor smallbore at the local high school because the range was in the basement.


44 posted on 09/24/2013 8:04:31 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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"Are there any articles about this event?"

Not seen any but their is a website: HvZ Athens

45 posted on 09/24/2013 8:04:33 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Thanks !


46 posted on 09/24/2013 8:06:33 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: PilotDave

An airsoft gun fires soft plastic BBs that will leave a mark but are designed to bounce off the target — hence the name “Air SOFT”.

The ammunition they fire are called Pellets, so the school is calling them by the correct name.

And trust me these “Soft” pellets sting just as bad a a paint ball when they hit.


47 posted on 09/24/2013 8:09:08 AM PDT by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: PilotDave

Airsoft guns definitely leave marks! My son and husband use to go to big airsoft games. The guys make sure they are complete covered in clothing. My guys wore fatigues. Then, they always wear protective eye gear.

The pellets are look a little bigger than BBs, and they are made out of plastic.

They hurt if you get shot!


48 posted on 09/24/2013 8:12:20 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: PilotDave
I call BS! I know of no pellet gun that would only leave a mark.

I had one. I used to shoot corrugated cardboard indoors with it. I once had a bb come straight back at me. Yes, in the eye, but I was wearing glasses, rather than contacts.

After that, I'd take the time to load a dart (or pellet), rather than use the small store of bb's.

Just sayin'.

That said, sue the everybody involved in attempting to extend their petty, and unrelated power to the home.

49 posted on 09/24/2013 8:16:00 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: elpadre

Straights and gays...with a few Bi’s and T’s.
Just think..I kid can choose his or her sex, but not play with a toy gun.


50 posted on 09/24/2013 8:19:59 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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