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California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch
LA Times ^

Posted on 10/02/2013 10:47:15 PM PDT by Arthurio

California's health insurance exchange vastly overstated the number of online hits it received Tuesday during the rollout of Obamacare.

State officials said the Covered California website got 645,000 hits during the first day of enrollment, far fewer than the 5 million it reported Tuesday.

The state exchange had cited the 5 million figure as a sign of strong consumer interest and a major reason people had so much difficulty using its $313-million online enrollment system.

Dana Howard, a spokesman for Covered California, said the error was the result of internal miscommunication.

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1 posted on 10/02/2013 10:47:15 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio
California's health insurance exchange vastly overstated the number of online hits it received Tuesday during the rollout of Obamacare.

Well, when was the last time a rat told the truth? Why should they start now?

2 posted on 10/02/2013 10:55:25 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: Arthurio

Some of the comments on the site are funny.

“but how many actually enrolled??”

“I heard 126 people actually enrolled

yeah !

we are almost there”


3 posted on 10/02/2013 10:56:52 PM PDT by ConservativeChris (I feel like Marvin Boggs!)
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To: Arthurio

They mistakenly gave the numbers of the illegals visiting the ER’s. At our expense of course...


4 posted on 10/02/2013 10:57:43 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: Arthurio

Hmmm so that is where my unemployment money is. Give it!! ugh. Yesterday I did go to the site but hell I did not nor do I want to enroll I simply was curious to see how much. It said I was able to get medicaid. Are they freaking crazy? Doctors are not seeing medicaid patients.


5 posted on 10/02/2013 10:58:15 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: Arthurio
The state exchange had cited the 5 million figure as a sign of strong consumer interest and a major reason people had so much difficulty using its $313-million online enrollment system.

You have got to be kidding?!

If I was a Californian I would be demanding an explanation as to why this system cost that much and why this gold plated colossus immediately failed given that it cost so much.

6 posted on 10/02/2013 11:00:38 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Arthurio

An hour after this story was released, there was a new story from Dana’s boss saying he’d misunderstood and they hadn’t overstated the hits. That item also pointed out that the Governor’s IT guru had been trying unsuccessfuly for the last two days to complete an enrollment on the state web site. This is the kind of administrative structure that makes chaos look organized.


7 posted on 10/02/2013 11:06:26 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ConservativeChris

We may have to enroll. My husband is working for a start up and wants to go do some cntract work.

He had prostate cancer 2 years ago, and we haven’t been able to find other healthcare.


8 posted on 10/02/2013 11:08:02 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Arthurio
"...a spokesman for Covered California, said the error was the result of internal miscommunication. ..."


9 posted on 10/02/2013 11:19:38 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: rainee

But won’t a government monopoly solve all such problems?


10 posted on 10/02/2013 11:22:44 PM PDT by relictele ("An elective despotism was not the government we fought for..." - James Madison)
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To: Arthurio; Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
I just KNEW intuitively that they were deliberately mis-stating even those with nothing more than idle curiosity... Nothing more than curiosity seekers looking to see if there really was going to be a "train wreck!"

Licensed CA insurance agents can't even get into the "agents" section to even register for the certification training should any of them even want to... Phhhhht!!!

I was able to view/print the 33 page enrollment application for individuals and families. And here I have been griping for years about the length of private sector insurance applications. Of course those didn't have to deal with income levels to calculate premium subsidies from other people's taxation confiscation!!!

11 posted on 10/02/2013 11:41:00 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I pledge to the USSA & 2 the democrazy for witch it stands, a nation with liberalism & misery 4 all!)
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To: Arthurio

They are also saying that “about 300” people handled 190,000 phone calls. I really question if they could have answered this many calls, unless most of them were from people asking when the system would be up and running.


12 posted on 10/02/2013 11:52:23 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Arthurio

So they spent almost a thousand dollars a hit, and still screwed it up!


13 posted on 10/03/2013 1:05:10 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: Arthurio

So they spent almost a thousand dollars a hit, and still screwed it up!


14 posted on 10/03/2013 1:05:11 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: Arthurio

Typical government behavior: “645,000, five million, what’s the difference?”


15 posted on 10/03/2013 1:19:47 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Arthurio

...using its $313-million online enrollment system...

When government buys $600 hammers they at least drive nails.


16 posted on 10/03/2013 1:46:35 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Arthurio

California’s enrollment system cost $313 million dollars, and some wonder if we can afford Obamacare.

That $313 million dollars is just a drop in the bucket as to where the costs will zoom as this thing takes off.


17 posted on 10/03/2013 2:05:45 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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...and no matter what the cost, healthcare delivery will collapse and all the insurance in the world won’t matter if you can’t get in to see a doctor.


18 posted on 10/03/2013 3:59:45 AM PDT by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT! : $70 TRILLION unfunded...)
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To: luckystarmom
He had prostate cancer 2 years ago, and we haven’t been able to find other healthcare.

Health care, or health insurance? I'm pretty sure that any doctor you are willing to pay will provide health care, regardless of your insurance status.

19 posted on 10/03/2013 4:38:32 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Arthurio

I read somewhere—it might have been an article posted here on FR—about how to set up an automated system to “hit” the website. From the description, a single computer could give one of those websites thousands of hits. I believe the scheme involves a macro to reload the website after a fixed delay, which would register as a separate hit on the website.

I’m not a computer geek, so I’m not exactly sure how that would work, or if it would work.


20 posted on 10/03/2013 4:41:56 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

I don’t think the number of hits discrepancy was due to any automated hits fraud...... let me explain about hit count. A site statistical report will tell how many “hits” there were to a page on a site (in this case the opening page). “Hits” is determined by how many files were loaded when the page opened. A page has many, many files (images, HTML code, functionality code like JAVA, PHP, ASP, etc, etc),CSS files for styling, includes (which are separate files that relate to content on all pages.... and the list goes on and on. So opening the home page meant multiple “hits” recorded on the stats report. You would have to look at “Unique Hits” to get the number of actual visitors.

This is a common mistake made by people who are not professionals in the field. But, then did we really expect the government to necessarily hire professionals when cronyism and kickbacks are the rule?


21 posted on 10/03/2013 5:18:58 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: exDemMom

Health insurance.

At least our kids could get it because they can’t be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. They are twins and 1 has a brain injury and the other has a movement disorder.

I was even denied coverage and all I have is allergies and a thyroid disorder.

My husband was laid off right after his 3 month check up where we got positive lab results. Such a roller coaster: we think we got all your cancer, and then boom. You haven’t beeb performing well the past 6 months and you are laid off. Ugh!

We’ve always had insurance, so it’s been strange to get denied.

The rates on the exchanges is expensive!! It’s going to be around $2000/month to get insurance. We don’t qualify for any of the credits for it.


22 posted on 10/03/2013 6:57:08 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
The rates on the exchanges is expensive!! It’s going to be around $2000/month to get insurance. We don’t qualify for any of the credits for it.

What is the deductible?

23 posted on 10/03/2013 7:01:10 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

High!! I think the gold plan is $6000. I can see why healthy people would opt out.

I don’t see how this whole thing is going to work.

Our family is so unusual. We are very high risk, but we also can afford to buy it. If my husband has to go through radiation or other cancer treatments then it will ge worth the cost.

I knew before my husband got cancer that pre-existing conditions was a problem, my brother died of cancer and insurance was a problem for him. My sister-in-law had to go back to work in order to get nsurance. So she was working full-time, taking care of her young kids, and taking care of a husband with cancer.

I just don’t see how this new law is going to fix the system in the long run.

I went to the dentist yesterday. His oldest kid was wanting to be a doctor, but she opted for just a masters in biotech(or something) because she isn’t sure about the future of healthcare. That’s scary to think that kids are being steered away from medicine.


24 posted on 10/03/2013 7:23:27 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
I think the gold plan is $6000

Is that per family member or for the entire family?

25 posted on 10/03/2013 7:25:17 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

For a family of 5. I’m not sure if this is the gold or platinum. It may be as high as $8000.

We don’t have to buy right now, but we will be seeing if my husband can affod to be a contractor instead of working for a company.


26 posted on 10/03/2013 8:50:45 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

$29,000 (premium + deductible)per year out of pocket is a lot of money.


27 posted on 10/03/2013 9:42:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

The bronze plan is cheaper, but not that much cheaper. I may be wrong it may be no deductible for the gold and platinum and the $6000 is the max out of pocket expenses.

My husband has all the numbers. I know the $2000 per month.

What was really strange is the gold Healthnet PPO on coveredca said it was $2000 a month, and then my husband went to ehealth.com and it said that the gold Healthnet PPO was like $600 per month. We are not sure what is going on with that.

I can’t imagine someone healthy spending that kind of money. We are in a different boat because my husband’s prostate cancer was stage 3. If it does come back, then it will be very expensive to treat. Hopefully, it will all be a waste of our money to purchase the healthcare.

I would prefer to get a cheaper high deductible plan that only kicks in for a catostrophic illness. We really don’t need insurance for our day to day healthcare. We just don’t want to lose our retirement nest egg.

We are


28 posted on 10/03/2013 9:59:21 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

I will say that I like the republicans plans better than Obamacare except they have not addressed pre-existing conitions enough.

These are some of my non-Obamacare fixes:

1) if you have a pre-existing condition when you are fired or laid off you can cntinue to pay for your current plan indefinitely. Not sure if there should be a rate increase or not.

2) if you have coverage and have a pre-existing condition, you should be able to switch plans without being denied. For example, you should be able to go from an employee plan to an individual plan. Not sure about rate increase. That way a person with something like cancer could actually stop working and not have to worry about healthcare.

I don’t think if someone who has not had insurance should be able to get insurance when they get sick. That’s what really bothers me about Obamacare.

However it’s crazy for someone whose always paid into insurance to get denied once they do get a major illness.


29 posted on 10/03/2013 10:29:10 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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