Skip to comments.Obama flips 2011 script in new debt ceiling fight with Republicans (Hussein's 'flexibility'?)
Posted on 10/06/2013 4:23:34 AM PDT by Libloather
President Obama is taking a completely different tack in this years budget fight than in 2011, when talks with congressional leaders ended with him at a low point in his presidency.
Administration officials and White House allies argue Obama learned from his mistakes in that round, and that this underscores his decision to not negotiate with Republicans over raising the debt ceiling and ending the government shutdown.
Nope, nope, nope, one senior administration official said when asked if Obama would bend on the latest round of debt ceiling negotiations. Hes not budging. Not this time.
We took John Boehner at his word that there was serious interest in negotiating a grand bargain and he wasnt able to do any of that, the senior official explained. So lets just say we learned from our mistakes.
The official also argued that Obama in 2011 thought Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) was capable of delivering his conference to a deal. Now he doesnt.
And the president especially learned the lesson of what John Boehner was capable of last time, the official added. Hes much more skeptical.
Aides and Democrats close to the White House say this years dynamics are a far cry from 2011. Though Obama has stumbled in his second term Gallup on Friday said his approval rating stood at an anemic 41 percent the president doesnt face the pressure of running for another term.
In 2011, Obama had one eye on the debt talks and another on his reelection, and this gave leverage to Republicans.
A key demand of the White Houses that year was that Republicans extend the debt ceiling to a point beyond the 2012 election so that it would not be an issue.
House Republicans were also at a stronger point in 2011. They were less than a year removed from their stunning electoral success in 2010, when they stripped the gavel from then-Speaker Nancy Pelosis (D-Calif.) hands and gained 63 seats in the House.
The House GOP lost seats in 2012 as Obama coasted to reelection, and Democrats have been happy to point out that their party won 1 million more votes than Republican House candidates that year, who retained their majority in part because of redrawn congressional district lines.
Those close to the White House who were involved in the first round of Obama's debt ceiling negotiations argue the difference between 2011 and 2013 stems more from the president's reelection than his need to get reelected two years ago.
Its less that hes not running again and more that he was reelected, said one former senior administration official, who was involved in the first debt ceiling talks. I think the reelection put everything on the table, healthcare, government spending. The reelection was a referendum on the direction the country was going in.
Thats not lost on the president, the former official continued. Not one bit.
They also argue that experience, and not circumstances is the real reason why Obama was seemingly willing to make concessions in 2011, but isnt this time.
I think the biggest difference between him then and now is that he has some wisdom about what a negotiation would produce, another former senior administration official said. Hes not going to let those guys fool him again.
Allies of Obama who grumbled that he gave away too much in 2011 are happy with the change, and say they believe the White House means it when it says the president wont negotiate this time.
Sometime between 2011 and now theres been a clear message that were not going to see a replay of 2011, one former senior administration official said.
The former official added that the 2011 playbook is not acceptable to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and that Obama has reached the same conclusion as well.
I think he realized hed have a lot harder time selling it to Harry Reid than he did in 2011, the former official said.
Republicans have blasted Obama for refusing to negotiate, and Republican strategist Ron Bonjean said Obama risks painting himself into a corner and overplaying his hand by not really sitting down with Speaker Boehner and hammering out a deal.
When Democrats lead the White House and Senate, Obama will damage the image of his party if he simply refuses to run the country, Bonjean said. He predicted that the pressure will mount on Obama to negotiate with Republicans if the government is closed and until the debt ceiling is lifted.
This is particularly true, Bonjean suggested, now that the GOP message seems to be changing away from Obamacare to a broader discussion over deficit reduction on the debt ceiling.
Also, while Obama doesnt have to worry about an election, he must contend with his legacy, especially with few tangible deliverables in his second term.
The White House believes Republicans will be blamed for the shutdown and a default, if that happens. But Obama would then become the first president to have a default on his watch.
Still, observers close to the White House say the presidentwho has expressed downright exasperation at the stalemate-- feels like hes in the right on this fight. And they can see it more and more with each passing day of the government shutdown and as the debt ceiling looms.
Theres no indignation like righteous indignation and I think he feels completely righteously indignant, one former senior administration official said. Hes got that in spades right now.
10-year-old. But that was all brought out during the vetting process - eh?
They don’t know the difference between “righteous indignation” and “petty, spiteful, vindictive, temper tantrum” made dangerous because the The _resident is the Teh Won throwing it. If it was anything more than that, he wouldn’t be enacting petty, vindictive, spiteful closures of non-federally funded parks and memorials which hurt no one so much as vets, or ordering priests, even volunteers, to not say mass etc or face arrest. Who tries to close the ocean, for pity’s sake?!
Those actions are pure petty tyranny, even as he’s trying to enact a real tyranny-a coup. He’s telling the House that they’re just there to rubberstamp whatever he wants, even of a majority of Americans don’t want it.
Boehner is onboard with increasing the debt ceiling even if he has to count on Democrat votes to do it.
What distorted views of reality and history he operates on. The fact checking and balance in the article are confined to one line: his current approval rating is 41%.
The boy king doesnt give a damn what The People want and why should he? He has amassed an enormous fortune far beyond what the typical president has in the past, he has a wait staff on call 24/7, armed security 24/7, and can play golf all day or whisk away to anyplace he wants to in the world ON THE TAXPAYER’s DIME...
He will justify this putsch of the purse by declaring that he is avoiding a second Great Depression and a worldwide depression at that. No doubt he will attempt to unilaterally extend his extraconstitutional history of spending and amending laws as he goes along, all the while claiming justification by the national/international financial emergency caused by the Republicans.
This will cause an uproar but he is confident that the media will back him and there is no danger of impeachment while he controls the Senate.
This is not a question of Obama's arrogance but of his ideology. He, of course, is possessed of the hubris which tells him that his ideology is uniquely valid and that hubris causes him to despise the Constitution and our free markets. The point is not to waste time psychoanalyzing Obama but to predict his behavior by analyzing his ideology.
In a way it is our very good fortune that Ted Cruz and Mike Lee precipitated this crisis over Obamacare rather than remaining passive on the promise of John Boehner and Mitch McConnell the fight over the issue of the debt ceiling. This not just because those promises by these two are illusory but because the Obamacare shutdown has smoked Obama out and provides cover to the Republicans to extend the debt while maintaining a shutdown in pursuit of Obamacare.
The problem is, as always, we cannot rely on our own troops to remain steadfast. But it seems that they of that we had better alert the country about Obama's unconstitutional intentions and we really should devise a strategy to deal with it. The most obvious strategy is, as I have described, to continue steadfast over Obamacare but extend the debt ceiling for a very limited time. Please note that Obama is insisting on a 13 month extension of the debt ceiling and will not otherwise negotiate. This is further evidence of his desire to force an emergency. At least the Republicans should keep the issue alive with a very short extension of the debt ceiling while depriving him of the justification for stealing the power of the purse from Congress.
I expect to receive some criticism for even consenting to extension of the debt ceiling but I await a better strategy to emerge.
Your analysis yields the inescapable truth. The shut down and the various drastic special enforcement of inconveniences was a premeditated act following very specific and vastly detailed plan.
Once again as in the IRS crimes and the James Rosen crimes and in the Dr Ben Carson crimes, the federal government is used by the treacherous tyrant to cudgel America into submission.
Once again, The Hill is pimping for the President.
Lets start that conversation by acknowledging we arent going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants... bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society. Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors. [but hes not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.