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Sticker Shock: Californians suddenly discover why all the Republican shouting over #Obamacare.
http://www.redstate.com/2013/10/06/california-exchanges-sticker-shock-obamacare/ ^ | 10-6-2013 | Moe Lane

Posted on 10/06/2013 9:55:10 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather

Meet Tom Waschura, Californian, father of two – oh, and right: Obama supporter. Just got a letter from his healthcare provider telling him that his private health insurance just went up by ten grand a year:

“I was laughing at Boehner — until the mail came today,” Waschura said, referring to House Speaker John Boehner, who is leading the Republican charge to defund Obamacare.

“I really don’t like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family’s pocket each year, that’s otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy.”

Let me tell you a secret: we don’t need people like Mr. Waschura to love us. We just need people like him to vote their class interests, to quote the Marxists who unaccountably confidently expect this rotating disaster of a health care rationing system to fuel public outcry for socialized medicine. They don’t have to vote Republican forever, you know. We’ll be happy if they vote Republican just enough to allow the party to kill this thing. With that in mind, let me just be the first to assure Mr. Waschura that his hope that the rates will be adjusted down in a few years is only half-justified: left unchecked, they will be adjusted. Only upwards. The Democrats always expected and planned that Obamacare would be funded by raiding the incomes of as many people as possible; making the insurance companies the mechanism for jacking up premiums was the only way to get the insurance companies on-board.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: abortion; california; deathpanels; itsallfree; obamacare; price4idiot10k; redistribution; reparations; shock; sticker; surfcityfool; tomwaschura; zerocare
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To: sheikdetailfeather
0bama has told border agents to stand down while Gov. Brown throws down more welcome mats for illegal aliens. Even an idiot can see where this is going.. Gov. Brown is turning Mexifornia into an illegal alien hell hole. An amendment to 0bamacare extending health care legally to illegals is only a step away. That will bring even MORE into the country.

The Marxocrat politicians don't care how many cockroach illegals flood our streets because they have limos and armed security and live in gated communities. It's all about building a permanentlt entrenched DEM majority at the EXPENSE of a decent, lawful society.

LIV's don't realize they are supporting politicians who are destroying their odds for survival in the streets of Mexifornia.


51 posted on 10/06/2013 11:02:17 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: iacovatx
BINGO! The MSM has Killed the country!

“I really don’t like the Republican tactics...” Huh? What tactics don’t you like? Rule of law? Honest disagreement? Oh, I see. You much prefer to be lied to 24/7 and convinced that the R party is full of evil, racists so you can feel morally superior. Just like the old Soviet Union. The leaders told the citizens that the west was a horrible, evil place, the people starving, etc. Just don’t try to leave and don’t forget, the KGB is always listening and watching.

52 posted on 10/06/2013 11:03:30 AM PDT by LALALAW (one of the asses who's sick of our "ruling" classes)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
“I really don’t like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this.

Translation: I thought Republicans were lying until I got price shocked.

53 posted on 10/06/2013 11:04:09 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: hope_dies_last

Obamacare does away with asset tests for Medicaid, so you would have gotten free medical coverage courtesy of the Federal budget (and eventually, your fellow taxpayers, as well as your own past contributions). However, Texas has chosen not expand Medicaid, so you’re not covered. There’s always AR or NM, though, which have expanded Medicaid. Still, Houston and San Antonio are boomtowns because of shale oil and gas, so maybe that’s the way to go.


54 posted on 10/06/2013 11:04:44 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
“Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.”


55 posted on 10/06/2013 11:04:45 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (The)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
“I was laughing at Boehner — until the mail came today,”

Moron.
56 posted on 10/06/2013 11:05:56 AM PDT by Vision (Trayvon Martin illustrates the bankruptcy of the modern civil rights movement.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

From the comments:

“Well done Obama ! You have turned the tables on the rich who are used to living on the poor. Now , The poor is getting a chance to live on the rich. Till now, the rich we’re paying taxes at reduced rates nd the poor we’re made to pay taxes at higher rates on their smaller income. Now, when the rich are made to pay full and the poor on subsidized rates , the rich is going hyper and crying “ uncle”.”


57 posted on 10/06/2013 11:07:30 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: PotatoChop

I never “approved” of the tactics used by code pink either, and yet... now the whole world seems to have embraced the sodomites!

apparently, sometime tactics you don’t approve of work.


58 posted on 10/06/2013 11:09:54 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As P.J. O’Rourke put it, “If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it’s free”.


59 posted on 10/06/2013 11:13:46 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

LIBs are insufferable asses. I really prefer not to communicate or socialize with them.


60 posted on 10/06/2013 11:16:11 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: All

actually, the funniest line is when he said he doesn’t like republican tactics.


61 posted on 10/06/2013 11:16:21 AM PDT by willywill
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To: Venturer
When this thing starts stinging all of the working families and working Americans in a couple of years there is going to be such a scream that Democrat are going to have to go into hiding.

The problem is that all of the "working" families are too busy working to do anything about this (and before you say it, voting is useless anymore). The hired rent-a-mobs who will be getting the actual "free" healthcare (although they don't realize it yet, but "free" means take a pill or "put some ice on it") can be ginned up and bussed around to make it look like there is an actual public outcry for more Obamacare. Short of Mark Levin's proposal to return liberty to America, blood will have to be spilled to return us to a Constitutional Republic. With the masks coming off of the Communists in charge of our country right now, there is no way in heck that they will back down politically. They will have to be forced out. We are Egypt, and the Moslem Brotherhood is in charge.

62 posted on 10/06/2013 11:18:49 AM PDT by Conservative_Rob
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To: Dallas59

“Just wait till the Illegal Mexicans start screaming for health care! International Health Care he we come!”

jokes today, become reality tomorrow.


63 posted on 10/06/2013 11:19:11 AM PDT by willywill
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To: sheikdetailfeather

“Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


64 posted on 10/06/2013 11:20:01 AM PDT by Absolutely Spiffing Old Bean
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Liberalism (socialism) is a total FAILURE and the best example of liberal (socialism) failure is the City of Detroit. Obama and his cronies are still trying to bail this shit hole out with our tax dollars, just recently, another $300,000.000 million dollars down the shit hole of Detroit. Before the liberal turds took control (racist Coleman Young and company) private and open free market enterprises built the most successful, modern, and highest income City in the world. Just a short 70 years later, they are dozing the shit hole and burying it, like a cat that just took a giant shit in a sand trap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reality really does hurt, but, most liberal socialist simply refuse to admit, liberalism is a FAILURE, no matter how, when, or where it is tried! these Obama mama supporters are now just starting to figure that out, not because it is as plain as the nose on their respective faces, but, because, liberalism is taking a bite out of their back pockets!

Mrs. Thatcher (Iron Lady), the last conservative Prime Minister of Great Britain once stated: “Socialist never tire of spending other people's money.”

Soooooooooo true!!

65 posted on 10/06/2013 11:20:01 AM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: hope_dies_last

Here’s the Obamacare Medicaid expansion map, if you’re interested:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2013/09/health/map-obamacare/
http://www.familiesusa.org/resources/tools-for-advocates/guides/federal-poverty-guidelines.html

The way the Medicaid expansion works is that adults with income amounting to less than 138% of the poverty threshold are eligible for Medicaid without an asset test (i.e. you don’t have to sell your car, your house, etc or draw down your bank balances).

If you decide to work at a retail job or at a fast food chain for minimum wage as a stopgap measure, and you make more than the 138% of poverty threshold, you can benefit from Obamacare even in states that don’t do the Medicaid expansion. For instance, someone who works two retail jobs and makes $16K a year will get insurance coverage for $45 a month. The true cost of the coverage is $7330 per year, but the federal budget pays for $6791 of that amount.

http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/#state=tx&zip=77002&income-type=dollars&income=16000&employer-coverage=0&people=1&adult-count=1&adults[0][age]=40&adults[0][tobacco]=0&adults[1][age]=21&adults[1][tobacco]=0&child-count=3&child-tobacco=0

As with the Medicaid expansion, there is no asset test to be eligible for Obamacare, meaning you don’t have to sell or draw down any assets to qualify.


66 posted on 10/06/2013 11:21:15 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

At this point I dont give a shi’ite how many 0bama supporters suffer.


67 posted on 10/06/2013 11:23:25 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: rrrod

He’ll be fine - he’s probably worth tens of millions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyntheSys_Research


68 posted on 10/06/2013 11:25:35 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Dallas59

“International Health Care”....

Oh that too is coming, without a doubt...and once that happens even your job will be farmed out to them...or they’ll get hired before you here...which of course is already happening.


69 posted on 10/06/2013 11:25:58 AM PDT by caww
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Hitler’s supporters also had a big disappointment in their leader!!! But they also worshiped him prior to that!


70 posted on 10/06/2013 11:34:20 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: sheikdetailfeather
“I was laughing at Boehner — until the mail came today,” Waschura said

Ah, the sweet sound of an Obama stooge realizing he's been had...bad. Why, if it weren't for the blatant multiple violations of the US Constitution, the appalling intrusion on the rights of private citizens, the illegal expansion of federal government power, the likely degradation of the US healthcare system and the stifling of technological innovations in healthcare, and the grim consequences for the US economy - you know, all those little things - why, it might just be worth it to hear all of the Democratic Party's useful idiots squeal as they realize that they're the ones being screwed.
71 posted on 10/06/2013 11:37:39 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks sheikdetailfeather.
Tom Waschura, Californian, father of two -- oh, and right: Obama supporter. Just got a letter from his healthcare provider telling him that his private health insurance just went up by ten grand a year: "...I really don't like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family's pocket each year, that's otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy." Let me tell you a secret: we don’t need people like Mr. Waschura to love us. We just need people like him to vote their class interests, to quote the Marxists who unaccountably confidently expect this rotating disaster of a health care rationing system to fuel public outcry for socialized medicine. They don’t have to vote Republican forever, you know. We'll be happy if they vote Republican just enough to allow the party to kill this thing.
In California, we need them to be angry enough about their own gullibility and stupidity (because Obama's been very obvious in his many many lies, since day one) to recall the Demwit politicians, or better yet, rend them limb from limb at a town hall meeting and throw their carcasses in the carbon-credit dumpsters.


72 posted on 10/06/2013 11:42:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The GOP needs rich people to vote their class interests and working and middle class people to vote their religious principles. In practice, we can get most non-union working and middle class people to vote those principles, but the rich has its collective nose too high up in the air to want to be associated with the hoi polloi right. to get bent.

The majority of the GOP are part of the problem.

"When in times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - It's why Cornyn, McConell, McCain etc are pissed at Cruz.

The only reason Bonehead and Cantor haven't caved is they realize the people are royally p'od and they're trying to protect their phony baloney jobs.

73 posted on 10/06/2013 11:50:46 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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74 posted on 10/06/2013 11:53:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Kickass Conservative
He would Vote for Obama a third time if he could. The Prisoners in the Gulags cried when Stalin died.

Ditto, ditto, and again ditto! You are 100% correct.

75 posted on 10/06/2013 11:54:59 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

The income tax was a means for the Democrats to take some of the working man’s WAGES. Obamacare is a means for the Democrats to take a piece of the working man’s/woman’s BENEFITS. Who benefits from more government employees, Democrats or Republicans? The Democrats feel that they are entitled to some of everything that is yours.


76 posted on 10/06/2013 11:57:32 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Life’s tough.Its tougher when you’re stupid.This moron takes the prize.


77 posted on 10/06/2013 12:02:14 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

We’ll tell us Mr. Kalifornia, just what tactics would you suggest we use against this sociopath? Suck it up and consider your increased healthcare premium a belated campaign donation to Obama/Biden, 2008 and 2012.


78 posted on 10/06/2013 12:02:47 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: sheikdetailfeather

What did the californian say when somenone called him a ditznifornian?

He said, “Ditznifornian? I don’t get it.”


79 posted on 10/06/2013 12:02:57 PM PDT by Vision Thing (obama wants to convert his suicidal worshipers into suicidal bombers.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Yet, these well-educated dupes only understand that fire burns once they're being immolated.
80 posted on 10/06/2013 12:09:28 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: metmom
A blatant case of bait and switch...ain’t it?
81 posted on 10/06/2013 12:17:32 PM PDT by lilypad
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To: Venturer

“When this thing starts stinging all of the working families and working Americans in a couple of years there is going to be such a scream that Democrat are going to have to go into hiding.”

I remember a comment by a Dem (I think) about Hillary care, something to the tune of “if we pass this, in a few years the people will be hunting Democrats with dogs.” They haven’t learned.


82 posted on 10/06/2013 12:24:26 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
too bad RATS actually have get mugged before they see the light... maybe seeing lights from getting hit in the head is what does it
83 posted on 10/06/2013 12:34:26 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
The most amazing thing about the Marxists in the US is how they have taken over the universities and indoctrinated the elite students into beleiving that they are the lumpen proletariat.

As a result, you have highly paid corporate execs who feel they are part of the Socialist Vanguard marching to the strain of “L’Internationale”, when intact, they are the class enemy Same with labor unionists.

Obama is turning on these people and they are beginning to understand that they are the enemies in his ultimate agenda

84 posted on 10/06/2013 12:38:28 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: sheikdetailfeather
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/84252-obamacare-house-horrors-healthcare-gov-hit-avalanche-angry-facebook-comments/

Okay now we will try the landline # 1-800-318-2596 listed above or 1-800-318-2596 = 1-800-FAU-CKYO.


85 posted on 10/06/2013 12:50:34 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Boycott Reno & Las Vegas until those in control there, remove Reid from the senate!)
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To: Twotone

The liberals I know, but no longer speak to, will bitch but will still write the checks. They’ll go without food and clothing to stay on obama’s sled to hell. And they’ll NEVER vote for a republican.

It would almost be worth talking to them just to laugh in their faces. Almost...


86 posted on 10/06/2013 12:51:30 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: lilypad

For sure.


87 posted on 10/06/2013 12:53:36 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: iacovatx

Yep. They’ll be just like the Japanese women throwing their children off cliffs rather than hand them over to the “American Devils”. They’ll die shouting “I hate republicans!” Or if they end up in FEMA camps they’ll be going around with a glass stare saying “This ain’t so bad.”


88 posted on 10/06/2013 12:55:39 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Rusty0604

That was painful to read.

That doofus doesn’t realize his leftist buddies will be feeding him into the wood chipper one day, too.


89 posted on 10/06/2013 1:10:12 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Mark17

If he didnt get the message, mug him again.


90 posted on 10/06/2013 1:14:33 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: sheikdetailfeather
“I really don’t like the Republican tactics,

Yeah, but I bet you voted for Boxer, fine swine and probably Nancy pig lousy too. Remember how San Fran Nan said "We have to pass it to find out what's in it"? Suck on that sour lemon you douche bag. I hate the LIV in the liberal states and cities.

91 posted on 10/06/2013 1:16:44 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Obama supporters finding out that Obamacare isnt free..isnt karma a well, ya know..Commies only love Commiecare if others end up paying for it, once they realize it is THEM who has to pay for this disaster they wake up


92 posted on 10/06/2013 1:26:34 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: lowbridge
If he didnt get the message, mug him again.

His mugging, under Obamacare is just beginning. It will get worse.

93 posted on 10/06/2013 1:27:20 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: Innovative

“Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.”


Isn’t Communist thinking adorable..who did this idiot think would end up paying for this..oh yeah, I forgot, those evil evil rich people..Commies want everyone else paying for their freebies but they are up in arms when they find out THEY have to pay for it..karma baby..karma..I hope they choke on it(I assume Obamacare covers karma choking)


94 posted on 10/06/2013 1:30:10 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: sheikdetailfeather

The guy can’t really be all that surprised, can he? He was perfectly willing to finance the healthcare for the poor on the back of someone else, he just never realized that he would be that “someone else”


95 posted on 10/06/2013 1:39:56 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Venturer

The Democrats will shortly be screaming for the Republicans to help them make major changes to Obamacare. Remember HillaryCare.......


96 posted on 10/06/2013 1:47:37 PM PDT by expat2
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To: sheikdetailfeather
When you take $10,000 out of my family’s pocket each year, that’s otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy.”

My guess is this a$$#@!e was perfectly alright when he thought it was just going to be those nasty rich guys getting pounded....welcome to Obamas America...peasant .. shut up and pay!!

97 posted on 10/06/2013 1:59:12 PM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: hal ogen

I have made it known to the few libs I know that their views are not appreciated in my house.....that pretty well stopped them from coming around. I haven’t gone to their houses for a long while. Don’t miss any of them!!!


98 posted on 10/06/2013 2:09:32 PM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: sheikdetailfeather

If this is the Yutz, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyntheSys_Research) he can very probably afford it and I would triple his premium just for inflicting the amateur, probably twice, on the rest of us who can’t afford it.


99 posted on 10/06/2013 2:09:47 PM PDT by Postman (Flies get too litle credit. They know!)
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To: ontap

Democrat/marxist family members should be ostracized from all conservative homes, especially at holiday time. If they are going to make our lives miserable; they are not welcome under our roof.


100 posted on 10/06/2013 2:14:09 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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