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Medieval Liberals
National Review ^ | OCTOBER 8, 2013 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 10/08/2013 6:14:46 AM PDT by reaganaut1

A classical liberal was characteristically guided by disinterested logic and reason. He was open to gradual changes in society that were frowned upon by traditionalists in lockstep adherence to custom and protocol. The eight-hour work day, civil rights, and food- and drug-safety laws all grew out of classically liberal views. Government could press for moderate changes in the way society worked, within a conservative framework of revering the past, in order to pave the way for equality of opportunity in a safe and sane environment.

Among elite liberals today, all too few are of this classical mold — guided by reason and empirical observation. By far the majority are medieval and reactionary. By medieval I mean that they adhere to accepted doctrine — in this case, the progressive doctrine of always finding solutions in larger government and more taxes — despite all the evidence to the contrary. The irony is that they project just such ideological blinkers onto their conservative opponents.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: liberals; medieval; medievalliberals; vdh; victordavishanson
I suggest reading the whole thing. VDH does a good job filleting California liberals.
1 posted on 10/08/2013 6:14:46 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

The motto of all liberals is “With my guilt and your gelt, we can do anything!”. The coalition of deluded whites, minorities, government workers and people dependent on the government has been a disaster for America. The worst fears of the founders are coming true. The Constitutional Convention was acutely aware why historic attempts at democracy whether it be Greece, Rome, the Hanover league, Florence etc failed. Eventually the grasping get control of the government and public purse, and ruin everything.


2 posted on 10/08/2013 6:22:44 AM PDT by allendale
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To: reaganaut1

“Among elite liberals today, all too few are of this classical mold — guided by reason and empirical observation.”

Few? How about none, at all, zero? VDH is being far too kind.


3 posted on 10/08/2013 6:23:46 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: allendale

I have always believed that the franchise would be restricted to people who do not receive money from the government. That would, of course, horrify most FR types because they point to our troops, but you have to include them, too, or it is not a principle, only a tactic. Limiting the franchise that way would remove the overwhelming pressure to spendspendspend. If you get money from the government then you want to keep the government giving you money. It is not a healthy incentive.


4 posted on 10/08/2013 6:27:02 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: cdcdawg

Liberals lost it totally way back in the last century when they bought into the slogan, “No Enemies To The Left.”


5 posted on 10/08/2013 6:28:17 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Sir Napsalot; Kaslin; neverdem; EXCH54FE; 2ndDivisionVet; Rummyfan; smoothsailing; Hojczyk; ...
Unlike classical liberals, the liberals of today hew to doctrine in the face of the evidence.

VDH ping.

6 posted on 10/08/2013 7:04:32 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: arthurus

I disagree. The troops “provide for the common defense”. It doesn’t get any more legitimate than that. They don’t “receive money” in the same sense that people getting food stamps or Social Security do.


7 posted on 10/08/2013 7:29:05 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: reaganaut1

bttt


8 posted on 10/08/2013 7:53:58 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Oh my! A must read ... the whole thing. VDH must have recently been with an ossified Washington Sixties-era careerist medieval liberal pompadour who deems himself Socrates! ... and he skewers them.

This is a priceless description and portrayal of the warped and completely hypocritical liberal mind ... sort of like the obese friar with a neat tonsure.

9 posted on 10/08/2013 8:51:01 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: reaganaut1

Sheer poetry.


10 posted on 10/08/2013 10:12:41 AM PDT by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: cdcdawg

The column is worth reading. Try it.


11 posted on 10/08/2013 12:17:33 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obamacare forces slaves to buy their chains.)
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To: Jacquerie

I did read it, and I agree with you. Just about everything VDH writes is worth reading. I also commented on one very specific part of it. Did you not get that? I quoted that specific part. I’m not sure how somebody as smart as you missed that.


12 posted on 10/08/2013 1:11:57 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: jiggyboy

As I said. A principle is ironclad except for one’s own preferences. No? Same thing with Natural Born Citizen. That is ironclad unless it might take one of ours out of contention. There are no principles on most of the right and principles are not even relevant to the left.


13 posted on 10/08/2013 1:20:39 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: reaganaut1

This was sent to me by a fellow FReeper. I’m so glad he sent it because I might have missed it otherwise. This is excellent and I hope lots of FReepers read it and disseminate it. I’m going to send it to several local talk show hosts and maybe even a national one or two. Post it on my FB page; although, I don’t think any of the people that need to read it will. And post it to conservative pages on FB. Right on VDH! You took the words out of mouth/mind and twisted them into intelligence and poetry. ;)


14 posted on 10/08/2013 1:32:13 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: cdcdawg
Few? How about none, at all, zero? VDH is being far too kind.

There's gotta be one...dontcha think? ;)

15 posted on 10/08/2013 1:34:03 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: reaganaut1
In this regard, Al Gore is the medieval liberal par excellence, whose own life is not lived in accordance with his ideology, and who is more interested in becoming wealthier than in leading a modest but principled life. Like the worst of medieval clerics, Gore is an elitist who spouts pieties to save his soul, as compensation for selling it to the highest bidder for fossil-fuel-generated dollars.

Now that is going to leave a mark. But it gets better:

The non-medieval mind always fails to perceive the romance of the poor, and fails to hanker after the tastes and culture of the lord. Translated, that means he is the uncouth ignoramus who has no clue what Sidwell Friends or the Menlo School is, no grand strategy of how to get Junior into Princeton or Stanford, no idea what a Hobie or Cannondale is, but maybe knowledge of a handgun, a jet ski, a camper, or any other of the many superfluous appurtenances that are proof that the tax rate is too low.

Guilty as charged, M'Lud. As a proud bitter clinger to my middle-class antecedents I find myself mystified by the practices of my betters, owners of a thousand dollars' worth of hi-tech camping gear who will nevertheless pitch it in a dry wash during the rainy season. It is as if the real world pays insufficient respect to the culturally enlightened.

It is always fun to read an articulate rant. VDH is sounding a bit angry here, angrier than usual, but then that appears to be true of a lot of us. Angry enough? Time will tell.

16 posted on 10/08/2013 2:29:22 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: arthurus

But if only “receives money from the government”, then even the President would be ineligible to vote.


17 posted on 10/08/2013 9:41:57 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

Yes.


18 posted on 10/09/2013 1:22:50 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: reaganaut1

Read the comment section. NRO gets more trolls than here.

Even some “conservative” commentators were chiding VDH for using the term “medieval” because they don’t understand his meaning.


19 posted on 10/09/2013 1:31:04 PM PDT by Fledermaus (OMG! The Federal Government is Shut Down. World To End: Film At Eleven.)
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