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Paul Ryan Wants Budget Conference (GOP caves on shutdown?)
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| 10/10/2013
| Emma Dumain and Niels Lesniewski
Posted on 10/10/2013 9:31:30 AM PDT by Alter Kaker
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To: Alter Kaker
THEY’D BETTER NOT CAVE ON OBAMACARE!
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posted on
10/10/2013 9:47:08 AM PDT
by
JSDude1
(Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
To: lexington minuteman 1775
This is the same Ryan who was Mitts running mate right? Ge I thot he was a conservative...bwahahahaha!Yes, that is the same guy. I wan't all that certain he was really a conservative, but I did think he was opposed to Obama's "fundamental transformation." The good news is that I am no longer deceived... which I suppose is also the bad news. Oh, well... Bud Day thought John McCain wasn't unworthy of elected office.
We're all wrong now and then.
Mr. niteowl77
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posted on
10/10/2013 9:47:15 AM PDT
by
niteowl77
("There's nothing a vulture hates more than biting into a glass eye.")
To: Alter Kaker
Exactly. FWIW, call/tweet/FB/email Lyin Ryan...it can’t hurt.
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posted on
10/10/2013 9:47:29 AM PDT
by
Jane Long
(While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
To: redgolum
This was not a wise move to begin with.
There was no way Obama was going to let his crown jewel be defunded, and no way to put leverage on him.
Another Surrender Monkey heard from.
The plan was never to get the Senate or the Zero to go along with this.
The plan was ALWAYS to DEFUND Obamacare, which it is the duty and responsibility of the House, constitutionally, to do.
Senator Cruz's plan was to send multiple CRs to the Senate, each funding single functions of the Government to the exclusion of Obamacre; by doing this, the Democrats and Zero own the problem of the Government Shutdown and the political pressure is on them to compromise.
The only other option is to sit in the corner wimpering about "How elections have consequences" and pretend they can do nothing about it which is a complete lie.
The house has the power of the purse, they can either do what they were elected to do, represent the people who sent them there and look-out for their best interests, or they can look after their own self-interests and their campaign cash.
The choice is real simple.
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posted on
10/10/2013 9:47:42 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: Timber Rattler
“In short, they’re now using Ryan to do their dirty work on Obamacrae/debt ceiling just like McCain-Schumer used Rubio to do theirs on immigration.”
Yes, I know. I think that Paul Ryan’s conservative credentials were completely lost when he began working on immigration reform.
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posted on
10/10/2013 9:48:21 AM PDT
by
MNGal
To: redgolum
In that case, what options does the House GOP have in continuing this fight? If what you said is true, I am still not sure what they can do about it.
To: Alter Kaker
and to think; while we (held our noses) and voted for Romney / Ryan in '12.
I'm so ashamed; I could have voted for the (U.S.) Constitution Party in '12
...for whatever it was worth.
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posted on
10/10/2013 9:48:56 AM PDT
by
skinkinthegrass
(who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
To: SoConPubbie
Excellent post. Thank you.
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posted on
10/10/2013 9:49:32 AM PDT
by
Jane Long
(While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
To: JSDude1
THEYD BETTER NOT CAVE ON OBAMACARE!That's what this is. You honestly think an Obamacare repeal is going to come out of a Senate conference committee?
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posted on
10/10/2013 9:50:10 AM PDT
by
Alter Kaker
(Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
To: Fiji Hill
To be fair, Ryan did not get beat on content in that debate. He only ran into trouble because of his lack of experience on political debates at that level and dealing with the hardline leftist style of debating. So it is hard to count that too much against him.
But yes, this is gonna be a serious problem for him unless he can figure out how a solution that will involve actual conservatives achieving the goals they started out with in this fight.
To: Alter Kaker
What do you think Paul Ryan should be doing right about now? What should his course of action be in your personal opinion?
To: MNGal
I think that Paul Ryans conservative credentials were completely lost when he began working on immigration reform. Yes, that and his dismal debate with Biden.
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posted on
10/10/2013 9:54:04 AM PDT
by
Jane Long
(While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
To: freedom462
Nice try w/Alinsky playbook, newbie.
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posted on
10/10/2013 9:54:33 AM PDT
by
Alter Kaker
(Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
To: Alter Kaker
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posted on
10/10/2013 9:56:06 AM PDT
by
informavoracious
(Of course I want people to have healthcare, I just didn't know I was the one who would be paying...)
To: SoConPubbie
Exactly. The house of representatives consist of the citizen’s personal representative. Senators and the President really don’t reflect the will of the people, due to the nature of their elections. The theme that the “Republicans” lost is false. It’s at best debatable, in the sense that a majority of people chose, as their personal representative in DC, a representative running against ObamaCare. This is the correct move, on every level.
As you point out, it is the Representatives’ job to control the purse-strings, and it is their job to represent the people. The “surrender monkeys” are wrong at every level — strategically, politically, ethically, and constitutionally.
Now is the time to make what may be a last stand. The Democrats recognize the stakes involved, and are willing to pursue a scorched earth policy to get it. At stake is the country — either the one that has been the shining city on the hill for over 200 years, or the fundamentally transformed one envisioned by a very malevolent left.
To: All
There is nothing at all wrong with negotiations. How do you expect to end this without being willing to talk to them? Talking to the Democrats is not caving. Voting with the Democrats is caving. The Democrats are talking tough but they are feeling the heat and want to end this too.
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posted on
10/10/2013 10:02:21 AM PDT
by
MCF
To: MCF
There is nothing at all wrong with negotiations. How do you expect to end this without being willing to talk to them? Talking to the Democrats is not caving. Voting with the Democrats is caving. The Democrats are talking tough but they are feeling the heat and want to end this too.
Talk is cheap if you have already caved.
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posted on
10/10/2013 10:03:30 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
The article doesn’t say anything about a Continuing resolution or the debt ceiling at all. It simply talks about negotiations on a budget.
A lot of knee jerking going on in this thread
To: Alter Kaker
What has the Chicago Democrat thugs dug up on Ryan? If they can destroy Gen. Petraeus with his adulterous affair and force Chief Justice Roberts to vote for the blatantly unconstitutional Obama Care law by reportedly questioning the legality of his adopted children, they certainly can blackmail GOP congressmen.
This is the essence of corruption.
To: Crimson Elephant
The article doesnt say anything about a Continuing resolution or the debt ceiling at all. It simply talks about negotiations on a budget.Huh? What do you think the Continuing Resolution is? It's a BUDGET resolution.
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posted on
10/10/2013 10:11:42 AM PDT
by
Alter Kaker
(Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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