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Obama, Boehner negotiations at a stand still (Obama rejects deal)
CNN ^ | Oct 12, 2013 | Tom Cohen, Greg Botelho and Leigh Ann Caldwell, CNN

Posted on 10/12/2013 8:32:36 AM PDT by Innovative

Talks between House Speaker John Boehner and President Barack Obama over the government shutdown and looming debt limit deadline have hit a brick wall.

Boehner relayed the news to his Republican caucus during a Saturday morning meeting after a night of work where little progress was made. Republican Rep. Paul Labrador of Idaho emerged from the meeting, telling CNN that "the President rejected our deal."

The standstill has decreased the possibility that the House would vote to reopen the government this weekend and while leadership would remain in Washington to work on a proposal, rank-and-file members might return to their districts until Monday afternoon.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: boehner; congress; cruz; governmentshutdown; obama; tedcruz
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To: Innovative
Pretty hard to negotiate with someone that continues to change his ‘red line[s]’. Impossible to negotiate with a liar and/or an idiot.
I am starting to feel a little sorry for John Boehner. He is catching crap from Democrats, GOPe and the Tea Party.
51 posted on 10/12/2013 9:14:31 AM PDT by Tupelo (Snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory, an old Republican Tradition.)
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To: Mouton
Here is a suggestion: tell the half breed half wit fine, we are going home, I am adjourning Congress

The best thing these idiots could do is NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING.

Let Zer0 stew in his own making. Make HIM come to you.

52 posted on 10/12/2013 9:15:13 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: plain talk

The government is NOT shutdown, it is experiencing a 20% reduction. The Republicans are allowing the Democrats to frame the discussion.......again. They lose right out of the gate because of it.


53 posted on 10/12/2013 9:15:33 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Don Corleone

Yes..God only knows...


54 posted on 10/12/2013 9:16:19 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: unixfox

Yup...one thing they could do is send over to the senate exactly what they began with on the debt ceiling....a short extention. Let Reid and Obongo stew over the response from then on: we did our job, you do yours.

Meanwhile, so what is so bad about a debt limit setting in: they still pay the interest so there is no default and they just pay out very limited amounts on entitlements, nothing else. Meanwhile, since our “money” is actually circulated by the FED, it is separate from the government and should be accepted for good and services performed in non government activities.

So, if the states continue to take over paying for things like the Grand Canyon, I get to go on my trip next week. Otherwise, I may send a pile of mule dung to the whitehut for them to enjoy.


55 posted on 10/12/2013 9:19:28 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Innovative
That’s why there should be term limits — it was never intended for them to spend their entire lives in Congress.

Exactly. Not only do they use their political power and privilege to get rich, they forget all about the "little" people who they're suppose to be "serving." They become the masters instead - crewel, oppressive, and demanding.
We've gotten to the point where those who work can no longer afford to support their own families because their wages are being stolen from them to support all those who choose not to labor - first - before they even get to see their paychecks every week!

Slavery never ended. The politicians simply chose a new group of people to fill in the void.

56 posted on 10/12/2013 9:24:15 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Innovative
Hey Obama...there will be no Obamacare/Socialized Medicine

America need a real leader not a spoiled brat.......

57 posted on 10/12/2013 9:25:04 AM PDT by yoe ( Defund Obamacare now — or risk voter backlash in 2014)
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To: rdcbn

As to why the Socialist Democrats are panicking, I think you’ve hit the nail squarely on the head. They don’t want to work hard — making hard choices — they just want to feel good spending taxpayers’ money on the societal parasites.


58 posted on 10/12/2013 9:30:04 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: sheana

Yep - 20% shutdown. But no ... I like it framed exactly the way it is framed right now. The government is shut down and there is no devastation and no one cares. The Republicans should make the argument that we don’t need all this government since no one hardly notices when it is shut down.


59 posted on 10/12/2013 9:31:36 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Innovative

MSM:Republicans keep gov shut down...


60 posted on 10/12/2013 9:34:19 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Innovative

So let’s see here: Obama rejects the House short-term plan in favor of the Senate long-term plan (because it pushes everything to the back burner until after the 2014 elections)...

RINOs then herald the new era of “compromise”, and the Marxist MSM triumphs the fact that Susan Collins- a woman- is leading the way on the Senate plan (remember comrades- high premiums, rationed health care plans, crushing debt payments, etc. are irrelevant- all the matters is race, class and gender- unless it involves Sarah Palin or Ted Cruz, of course)...

All of this then dovetails into the MSM endlessly telling us why we need Hillary for president in 2016. Do I have this about right?


61 posted on 10/12/2013 9:41:03 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: autumnraine

Let me guess, they now offered him everything he ever wanted and even drop to their knees to beg and he still said NO??


62 posted on 10/12/2013 9:42:22 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Innovative

Somebody tell Speaker John Boehner you shouldn’t negotiate with muslim terrorists in the first place.


63 posted on 10/12/2013 9:43:15 AM PDT by EscapedDutch ("Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money" - Lady Margaret Thatcher)
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To: GeronL

Prolly.


64 posted on 10/12/2013 9:43:19 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

The main problem Republicans have is their inability to bring their message to the people. Jack Welch said the other day they couldn’t sell an iPad.

That’s why Obama gets away with so much.

Impasse Grinds On as House Says Its Offer Was Rejected

“The message from Speaker John A. Boehner had been grim, Republicans said. Representative John Carter of Texas described Mr. Obama as “acting like a royal president.”

“He’s still ‘my way or the highway,’ ” Mr. Carter said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/us/politics/budget-and-debt-limit-debate.html?_r=0


65 posted on 10/12/2013 9:43:25 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
"Talks between House Speaker John Boehner and President Barack Obama"

Boehner has taken the role of the adult, and has tried to have a constructive dialog, but the petulant man-child only wants to dictate.
66 posted on 10/12/2013 9:45:05 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: Qbert

*-———RINOs then herald the new era of “compromise”-——

That is not the case. Collins is looking backward to the tried and true she knows and feels comfortable with. She is a woman, a weak and frightened woman, that can not see a future different than her comfortable past.

Collins and Mc Cain and others have lived beyond their useful productive life span


67 posted on 10/12/2013 9:49:19 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Innovative

Listen, no matter what the Republicans offer — including accepting EVERY Democrat demand — the Democrats WILL reject the offer.

Barack Obama wants a default.

Then he can suspend EBT Food Stamp cards in November.

Then the cities explode with rioting card-dependents.

Then he invokes the Emergency Powers Act, dismisses the House and the Senate, and rules for life as a King.


68 posted on 10/12/2013 9:50:08 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Innovative

It’s a zero-sum game for Zero. He’s already made it clear he won’t negotiate. All he will accept is capitulation.
No surrender to, no quarter for the socialists!


69 posted on 10/12/2013 9:53:03 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's foundinge fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Innovative

To: John Boehner
From: Oldeconomybuyer

Subject: Talks with the Marxist

Dear Sir,

STFU.

Regards,


70 posted on 10/12/2013 9:53:58 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

The House should pass a clean short-term CR and adjourn.

Obama will break or suffer mightily.

Because Dems are short-term thinkers. The whining from the govt workers will have to be aimed at the administration if the House is not in session.

When Obama says he won’t take a short-term solution, the American people can be asked why short-term solutions have been OK for the last 5 years.


71 posted on 10/12/2013 9:57:21 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Lazamataz

You are day dreaming. The kenyan doesn’t want riots before the midterms. Maybe after but not before. The Dems need suburban soccer moms to take the House. Rioting blacks doesn’t give that demo to them or help vulnerable Senate Dems like Pryor and Manchin.


72 posted on 10/12/2013 9:59:38 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Innovative

You could look at this as Obama holding Boehner’s feet to the fire. LoL. The RINOs are not getting an out.


73 posted on 10/12/2013 10:03:12 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Innovative

One simple message to the public. Susan Collins is NOT the TEA party, and her reasonable proposal was rejected without a counter-offer. Connect the dots, dear public.


74 posted on 10/12/2013 10:03:32 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Innovative

One simple message to the public. Susan Collins is NOT the TEA party, and her reasonable proposal was rejected without a counter-offer. Connect the dots, dear public.


75 posted on 10/12/2013 10:08:45 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Don Corleone

Brilliant post. Succinct and accurate. Few realize that we really are at that point.


76 posted on 10/12/2013 10:14:51 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Innovative

As I posted on another thread:
I believe it was Putin that said: “Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon. He just struts all over the board knocking over the pieces, craps all over the board, then flies off like he won.”
Not a single Pubbie should now go to the WH for ANYTHING. He refused to negotiate and that needs to be the message from the Hill and it needs to ring far and wide with the People. From here on in, make him come to the Capitol. He’s on his turf at the WH. He’s delusional and outright evil. Maybe we are more stupid than normal human beings. Electing him to POTUS seems to bear it out for sure.


77 posted on 10/12/2013 10:15:25 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: The Great RJ

Dictatorship - what he and his masters have wanted all along. Lets see if he can sidestep the Constitution again without anyone noticing.


78 posted on 10/12/2013 10:18:43 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Precisely. The man-child doesn’t have to budge. The Republicans will eventually succumb to their own timorous inclinations. The longer the man-child holds out, the more concessions Republicans offer up.


79 posted on 10/12/2013 10:22:38 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: Innovative

“Some conservatives — like tea party favorite Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas — left the meeting upset at Obama for continuing to insist the government must reopen and the debt ceiling must be increased before he would take part in full-fledged negotiations on deficit reduction.”

Uhmm!

An action by the Conservatives in exchange for a future promise by untrustworthy O’bastard.

Hell no!


80 posted on 10/12/2013 10:23:51 AM PDT by Finalmente
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To: Innovative

The Party of “NO!”


81 posted on 10/12/2013 10:25:56 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Innovative

Obama wants chaos.


82 posted on 10/12/2013 10:28:07 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: Innovative

Obama rejects every deal, then goes on TV and blames Republicans for it..I would love the chance, just once, to go right up to slimy Obama’s face and tell him to go F himself..if I could just have that one chance that would be great


83 posted on 10/12/2013 10:37:06 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Innovative

Boehner is obviously either not bending over far enough or not spreading his cheeks far enough for Obama. Have a drink John, you can trust Obama.

/sarc


84 posted on 10/12/2013 10:40:11 AM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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To: Innovative

Sooner or later even the brain dead leadership in the Democratic Party is going to start worrying if the president’s poll numbers start going down and the generic congressional polling shows them doing poorly for next year’s election. Yeah, that NBC/WSJ poll might have the MSM wetting their pants and jumping for joy, but the people who run the Democratic Party know that in the long term this will hurt them if the shutdown continues to linger on and the president keeps saying no to any compromise.


85 posted on 10/12/2013 10:50:27 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Sarah Barracuda

As some pointed out — this is a strategy on Obama’s and the Democrats’ part — as long as they get away with blaming the Republicans for everything, they will keep doing it — their eyes are on the prize to take over the House and have total control.

President Obama Is Winning Against House Republicans

http://politix.topix.com/news/8390-president-obama-is-winning-against-house-republicans

“According to polls, there are 24 Republican-held House districts that Democrats would have a good chance of winning if the election were held today. And the Democrats need only 17 seats to take over the House.

If the Republicans continue to bow to the tea party god, they’ll lose the next two elections, at least. That combined with their neglect of the needs of a growing population of voters - Hispanics, women and African-Americans - means Democrats will have a serious political advantage over the next decade, and beyond.”


86 posted on 10/12/2013 10:57:18 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Half this nation doesn’t know where DC is located, asking them to understand congressional budgets or quantitative easing would make their head explode.


87 posted on 10/12/2013 11:08:57 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Innovative

Regardless how this ends up, Boner has to be removed as Speaker! Maybe, before this ends!


88 posted on 10/12/2013 11:15:31 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Innovative

If people are stupid enough with everything that is going on right now to vote Democrat and give the House back to the Rat party we dont have a country anymore anyway..that is the way I see it..people were stupid enough to vote for this Marxist a-hole not once but TWICE..they see how bad Obamacare is now, they see how its going to raise their premiums, if they vote Dem after all that I guess this country is doomed anyway


89 posted on 10/12/2013 11:17:40 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

They do it because they believe it hurts YOU!

They have no concept of how it will KILL them.


90 posted on 10/12/2013 11:20:00 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: eyedigress

Dems do it because they think if people hurt long enough and listen to the BS media telling them the mean mean Republicans are at fault, in 2014 they will win back the house and Obama will be able to do whatever the hell he wants without anyone in his way to tell him no


91 posted on 10/12/2013 11:22:42 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

National divorce is coming. And I don’t like it one bit.


92 posted on 10/12/2013 11:26:19 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Innovative
At what point do the Senate Democrats up for re-election in 2014 break ranks with Obama and Reid to save themselves?

HOLD THE LINE REPUBLICANS! DO NOT CAVE!!!

93 posted on 10/12/2013 11:30:02 AM PDT by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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95 posted on 10/12/2013 11:35:35 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Innovative

Shut down the house for the year.


96 posted on 10/12/2013 11:38:07 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Public education has provided a means for the freeloaders a path to prosperity.

I understand that will be ridiculed here, but the fact remains that an overwhelming majority cannot afford a private education.

The freeloaders choose nothing. I kept my grades up and enlisted in the AF. Best move I ever made. I do not feel pity for the able-bodied deadbeats that make up a large percentage of this country.

RR


97 posted on 10/12/2013 11:40:11 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Innovative

I think it’s time to quit screwing around with him. Just pack up and go home. Don’t answer their phone calls, don’t talk to Harry Reid, don’t negotiate, don’t even talk to them about the weather.


98 posted on 10/12/2013 11:45:06 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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99 posted on 10/12/2013 11:45:19 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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Tried four different offices in D.C. all offices are CLOSED...

THEY DON’T SEEM TO THINK THERE IS A PROBLEM..

VOTE THEM ALL OUT..


100 posted on 10/12/2013 12:12:56 PM PDT by haircutter
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