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House GOP furious with Senate
The Hill ^ | Oct 12, 2013 | Erik Wasson and Russell Berman

Posted on 10/13/2013 8:14:53 AM PDT by Innovative

House Republicans were furious with Senate Republicans and President Obama on Saturday for trying to cut a debt ceiling deal that leaves them out in the cold.

Members emerged from a conference meeting saying Obama had double-crossed them by breaking off talks in order to shop for a better deal from the Senate GOP.

“Clearly the president can't be trusted,” said Rep. Aaron Schock (R-Ill.). “It is up to Senate Republicans to grow a backbone and stand with House Republicans like they said they were going to do.”

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: budgettalks; congress; erikwasson; governmentshutdown; obama; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; republicans; russellberman; senate
Are they just now figuring it out?! That is the GOP's problem -- among other things -- they keep taking Obama at face value.
1 posted on 10/13/2013 8:14:53 AM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

“...“Clearly the president can’t be trusted,” said Rep. Aaron Schock (R-Ill.)...”

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Gee, we knew this six years ago....this is news???


2 posted on 10/13/2013 8:17:26 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Innovative

Of course, while the House Republicans didn’t like Susan Collins’ Senate surrender to Obama — they can take solace, that Obama wouldn’t even accept it, and is looking for an even better deal — unconditional surrender...

Senate to try again to end fiscal crisis, after nixing Collins’ plan

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/13/negotiations-stall-on-capitol-hill-house-leaves-collins-plan-in-serious-doubt/

“Reid rejected the plan — which calls for funding the government for six months and increasing the federal debt limit through January — purportedly, in part, because the spending level of $967 billion next year was too low, despite it providing more flexibility in administering the federal budget cuts under sequester.”


3 posted on 10/13/2013 8:18:19 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

This is Kabuki on the part of GOP House leadership. They know damned well the Senate, GOP leadership there or not, coming up with a budget “deal” means frigging NOTHING if they HOUSE does not accede to it.

The House leadership is paving the way to blame their coming surrender on the Senate GOP. They are playing like they have no choice in a frigging vote.

We KNOW better BOEHNER! You’d better get your damned act together and stay the course. Keep the government shut down and forget about your barber shop, gym, special catered lattes, etc. You spineless son of a bitch!


4 posted on 10/13/2013 8:21:28 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: EagleUSA

The more the GOP gives them, the more Obama and the Dems want — and for some reason this comes as a surprise to the GOP, when all the rest of us, who aren’t even so close to the government could see this in flashing neon lights years ago.

Senators return to work on fiscal crisis, but uncertain about how, when it will end

“We will see our way through this, but the last 24 hours have not been good,” Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker told “Fox News Sunday.” “I agree that Republicans started with the overreach, but now Democrats are one tick too cute. They are now overreaching.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/13/sens-return-to-work-on-fiscal-crises-but-uncertain-about-how-when-theyll-end/


5 posted on 10/13/2013 8:21:49 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Boehner never had any intention sticking to the obamacare defund/delay game plan.

As soon as Reid tabled the House bills the RNC and NRSC should have carpet bombed all the vulnerable Senate Dems. Instead McConnell took a powder and now we are where we are.

It seems the Boehner/Cantor plan was to surrender last week but the kenyan wouldn’t accepted it. LOL. I can’t say I feel sorry for the beltway GOP leadership now. They deserve every bit of scorn they are getting.


6 posted on 10/13/2013 8:23:53 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Innovative
There was a great story I once heard about how either a staffer or a rank-and-file Congressman complained to then-Speaker Gingrich about how the House Democrats were "the enemy".

Gingrich replied: "The Democrats aren't the enemy. They're the opposition. The SENATE is the enemy."
7 posted on 10/13/2013 8:24:38 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Gaffer

This is Kabuki on the part of GOP House leadership. They know damned well the Senate, GOP leadership there or not, coming up with a budget “deal” means frigging NOTHING if they HOUSE does not accede to it.


I think it is too much of a FUBAR cluster to be kabuki. The Dems are running circles around the beltway GOP right now.


8 posted on 10/13/2013 8:26:20 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Innovative

Obama is using Clinton’s playbook from 1995. Senate Republicans are using Dole’s playbook from 1995, too. Go along with the firebrands in the House for a while, then tell the kids “enough is enough” in a condescending way, and cut a deal with the White House. Last time, Gingrich went along after Dole cut him off at the knees. This time, Boehner would like to do the same, but my hope is that his caucus won’t let him. People like Gohmert speaking out and throwing light on what is going on keeps them from caving. HOLD THE LINE.


9 posted on 10/13/2013 8:27:44 AM PDT by Defiant (GOPe Strategy: We have to fund Obamacare in order to see how bad it is. Good idea, guys!)
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To: lodi90

I just read Republican elites saying that delaying Obamacare was never an option. That should have been the compromise, but Boehner negotiated with himself until he was past that and down to medical device taxes and Congressional staffers. Pathetic. Put the one year delay back on the table, and pass all the appropriations bills in regular order, and if the Dems won’t accept any of it, put defunding entirely back on the table, and if they won’t accept that, tough. Tell them we are happy to negotiate over Obamacare, and will meet you to discuss it, but here is the funding for the government, and you have 100 percent.


10 posted on 10/13/2013 8:31:42 AM PDT by Defiant (GOPe Strategy: We have to fund Obamacare in order to see how bad it is. Good idea, guys!)
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To: Innovative

Obama is clearly in this for all the marbles. I hope the GOP in the senate has figured that out by now.


11 posted on 10/13/2013 8:32:03 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Innovative

“Clearly the president can’t be trusted,” said Rep. Aaron Schock (R-Ill.). “It is up to Senate Republicans to grow a backbone and stand with House Republicans like they said they were going to do.”

Duh, ya think? (’specially the part about Obama CAN’T BE TRUSTED.)


12 posted on 10/13/2013 8:35:01 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog (Why does my phone go all wonky every time I say something bad about Obama?)
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To: lodi90
Actually, I don't. I think GOP leadership is CONSUMED with tricks they can perpetrate on the unwitting voter: Show Votes (cloture yes, the bill NO plurality votes) and the like.

They are anything but real work and responsibility to the people that put them there. They rise in the ranks, get their seniority and they take their second-tier power willingly.

The only FUBAR related thing now is that fantastic group of 30-40 Congressman (young, pissed off Turks) where aren't there for the booty). Boehner can't get around them, but he can hit the airwaves with a “they (the Senate GOP) tied my hands, blah, blah blah)...

It is 100% Kabuki and they are playing it like a Stradivarius.

13 posted on 10/13/2013 8:35:42 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Innovative

The Republicans in the House just have to remember that no deal can be done without them — just sit back and wait for them to come to them.


14 posted on 10/13/2013 8:36:50 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Innovative

Democrats are communists in the Senate. And many of the Senate Republicans are communists also. Look up the definition of communists. They are hard core socialists


15 posted on 10/13/2013 8:39:44 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Innovative

“Clearly the president can’t be trusted,”

Stuned silence . . .


16 posted on 10/13/2013 8:47:17 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: EagleUSA

My thoughts exactly.

This what you get for negotiating with this dictator.


17 posted on 10/13/2013 8:51:55 AM PDT by Conservative Beacon
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To: fivecatsandadog

“Clearly the president can’t be trusted,” said Rep. Aaron Schock (R-Ill.). “It is up to Senate Republicans to grow a backbone and stand with House Republicans like they said they were going to do.”


BS. Get back to me when Schock drops his support for an amnesty deal. He is full of it.


18 posted on 10/13/2013 8:51:59 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Republicans should just read back to Obama his own statement from 2006, when he was in the Senate:

In March 2006, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., found the notion of raising the debt ceiling quite distasteful.

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said. “It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/04/obama-2006-vs-obama-january-2011-vs-obama-april-2011-on-the-debt-ceiling/


19 posted on 10/13/2013 8:52:46 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
What “Bonehead” Boehner ought to do is call a press conference and announce: “Both the President and Senator Reid have refused to negotiate. Current receipts to the treasury are there to pay the bills and servicing of the debt. The House stands adjourned until the Senate's and White House's attitudes improve.”
20 posted on 10/13/2013 8:53:31 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Innovative
“Clearly the president can't be trusted,”

Calling Captain Obvious. Calling Captain Obvious.....

21 posted on 10/13/2013 8:53:58 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Innovative

And here is the full text of Obama’s speech from 2006 opposing the debt limit increase:

Full Text of Obama’s Speech Against Raising the Debt Ceiling in 2006

http://www.redstate.com/alanjoelny/2013/01/15/full-text-of-obamas-speech-against-raising-the-debt-ceiling-in-2006/

Republicans should just copy this word for word and send it to him, then get on TV and read it — then read what he is saying today.

The main problem the GOP has is that they are losing the public relations battle.


22 posted on 10/13/2013 8:56:45 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Republicans should just read back to Obama his own statement from 2006, when he was in the Senate:

They never do. The GOP should be running ads 24/7 of the kenyan flapping his gums in AR, LA, etc. That would grind to dust those Senate Dems up for election next year.

The problem is the big GOP donors don’t want this fight. The Adelsons and Kochs of the GOP are fine with socialized medicine.


23 posted on 10/13/2013 8:57:37 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: EagleUSA

Clearly the President cannot be trusted,

Clearly to me the Republicans in the Senate cannot be trusted either.

How can we trust people like Collins , McCain, Graham, Hatch, Ryan , Rubio, and many others in the Senate who are so busy kissing Harry Reid’s ass instead of doing their job.
There is only one Senator I trust., Ted Cruz.


24 posted on 10/13/2013 8:59:41 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: MasterGunner01

Thank you. Someone states the obvious, you must fight hardball with hardball. Screw the media let them whine. Adjourn until they bend.


25 posted on 10/13/2013 9:36:12 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: Innovative

Naive, incompetent, or just a bunch of empty suits? take your pick.

the GoP leadership has been punked so many times , they have lost sight of their own inherent powers.. and are likely to surrender them,.. again.


26 posted on 10/13/2013 9:41:05 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: SaxxonWoods

I’m not a Republican (too conservative to be one) but I’ll save my ire until they capitulate.

Right now the govt is on slowdown and has been for some time.

I like it, and I’ll continue to like it for as long as it lasts.


27 posted on 10/13/2013 9:46:17 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: lodi90

“..The problem is the big GOP donors don’t want this fight...”

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Yes, and they don’t want to save our Constitutional Republic either. They simply don’t care.


28 posted on 10/13/2013 9:59:22 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Innovative

Rep. Schock shouldn’t be too shocked. If he actually thought that this pResident was in any 2ay trustworthy, then I would advise him to wake up and smell the coffee.


29 posted on 10/13/2013 10:22:38 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: lodi90

Boner means “Surrender” in French.


30 posted on 10/13/2013 10:58:59 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Innovative.

Senate plots House GOP squeeze
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3078260/posts

[snip] Any emerging deal, however, will leave ObamaCare largely intact, angering conservatives who have demanded defunding or delaying President Obama’s signature achievement [sic]. “They are trying to jam us with the Senate and we are not going to roll over and take that,” House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters after a Saturday morning conference meeting. [/snip]


31 posted on 10/13/2013 11:45:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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32 posted on 10/13/2013 11:46:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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Rand Paul’s immigration speech
03.19.13 | Hon Sen Rand Paul (KY)
Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2998395/posts

...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.

[but he’s not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]


33 posted on 10/13/2013 11:46:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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