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Efforts To Hide Full Cost Of ObamaCare Insurance Fueled Epic Crash
Forbes ^ | 10/14/13 | Grace-Marie Turner

Posted on 10/15/2013 11:04:15 PM PDT by Lmo56

The irony is rich. President Obama told Maryland college students just days before the launch of his healthcare “marketplace” that it would take just a few keystrokes to compare prices and policy details.

“Don’t take my word for it, go on the website,” Obama told a crowd at Prince George’s Community College in Largo, MD, five days before the launch. “See for yourself what the prices are. See for yourself what the choices are and then make up your own mind. That’s all I’m asking.”

But the bureaucrats in his administration clearly weren’t listening. They created a website that is calamitously cumbersome and is not at all like the typical online shopping experience that lets people browse for products and prices before making a purchase. Instead, the Healthcare.gov website demands an extraordinary amount of personal information from “shoppers” before they can find out their health insurance options and prices.

Why would they design a site this way? Because the administration didn’t want people to get sticker shock by seeing the full cost of the insurance policy upfront. And since subsidies depend upon a number of factors, including income, family size, and health habits, the administration decided to require every potential applicant to enter that information before they could “shop” for policies.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: government; healthcaredotgov; obamacare
And so it goes ...
1 posted on 10/15/2013 11:04:15 PM PDT by Lmo56
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ObamaCare on ObamaWare. What could go wrong?


2 posted on 10/15/2013 11:06:11 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Lmo56

When someone tells me “Take my word for it”, I suspect they lie a lot. The same as when people say “I’m going to be honest with you.”


3 posted on 10/15/2013 11:18:29 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Lmo56


4 posted on 10/15/2013 11:19:16 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen (National Pk Srv: “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting)
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To: Lmo56
The Healthcare.gov website must knit together data for each applicant from numerous agencies — including the Internal Revenue Service, Homeland Security, the Social Security Administration, HHS, the Defense Department, and even the Peace Corps — each of which marches to its own IT specifications. Healthcare.gov must also interact with states to check Medicaid eligibility and then the package of data is sent to the insurers.

Why is Homeland Security in the middle of this fuster cluck?

5 posted on 10/15/2013 11:20:15 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Lmo56
And since subsidies depend upon a number of factors, including income, family size, and health habits, the administration decided to require every potential applicant to enter that information before they could “shop” for policies.

On line TV sales scams play the same game, asking for credit card information before showing you what the total is before sales tax and "shipping and handling."

If these internet scams aren't prosecuted, they should be.

I wonder if the federal government will be prosecuted for a worse scam. They demand all your most sensitive information before they supply the cost.

The only thing certain is the theft of your identity, whether you sign up or not.

6 posted on 10/15/2013 11:20:30 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Gene Eric

Someone should sell “Going Galt” kits.


7 posted on 10/15/2013 11:26:20 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Gene Eric

Social Security was probably first organized on index cards, Medicare using punch cards and reel-to-reel tape, and now comes Obamacare tech and it’s a complete CF. ROTFLMAO!


8 posted on 10/15/2013 11:33:52 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Lmo56
One of the Forbes links within this article is the best IT explanation I've seen yet on the Project failures.
9 posted on 10/15/2013 11:38:19 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: gitmo
One of the Forbes links within this article is the best IT explanation I've seen yet on the Project failures.

I am an engineer who works in telecom and have extensive experience in project management.

When I read of the problems on the first day of the healthcare website rollouts - I immediately knew that they had violated the "7 P's of Good Project Management".

"Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance" ...

10 posted on 10/16/2013 12:02:58 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

that isn’t urine-unsatisfactory ? :-)


11 posted on 10/16/2013 12:13:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Lmo56

Well, sticker shock it is.

The naked emperor is now being subjected to the cold and he’s visibly shivering.

Obama must have an incredible faith in American stupidity. To be fair, America has given him a lot of good, if not perfect, reasons for him to believe in just that. Still, evil will fail. It is not a question of whether. It’s a question of when.


12 posted on 10/16/2013 12:16:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: gitmo
Why is Homeland Security in the middle of this fuster cluck?

Ask Chairman Mao, who said:

Every Communist must grasp the truth; "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

13 posted on 10/16/2013 12:27:43 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Frank_2001

Worked for Social Security in the 60’s. We had individual file folders for each beneficiary. Action forms were in duplicate and filled out by hand.

I got my first enlightenment on Federal finance there. We filled out those forms using government ballpoint pens that usually lasted about two hours. I naively asked a supervisor why we didn’t get better quality pens, which would more than recover their increased costs by lasting much longer. He smiled and said, “because then we wouldn’t need as many”.


14 posted on 10/16/2013 12:40:48 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: gitmo
  Why is Homeland Security in the middle...

  Homeland Security is supposed to verify the applicant's citizenship status. I'm guessing that this would disqualify Obama if he wasn't already exempt.
15 posted on 10/16/2013 1:20:48 AM PDT by Maurice Tift (Never wear anything that panics the cat. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: gitmo
"We have a recalcitrant one over here!"

Get a couple of those TSA dykes with the blue rubber gloves and we'll find out where his guns are."

"Boating accident over the Marianis Trench my a$$!"

16 posted on 10/16/2013 1:39:37 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Lmo56

I haven’t heard the Bamster inquiring about who’s ass to kick over this yet. Giving his full support to Sebelius should be the kiss of death for her.


17 posted on 10/16/2013 2:40:50 AM PDT by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: Lmo56
"Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance" ...

Piss Poor Prior Planning Promotes Plenary Public Payer

18 posted on 10/16/2013 3:47:55 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“To be fair, America has given him a lot of good, if not perfect, reasons for him to believe in just that.”

The American public has been scammed by the media for years; they are stupid. Their way of life is collapsing around them, and they still voted for him again.

Was I the only one creeped out by his complete confidence in re-election when he told Putin to wait until after the election, when he’d have more flexibility? There was no doubt in his mind that amid the ruin he wrought, he would win again. Very disturbing...


19 posted on 10/16/2013 3:54:18 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Lmo56

Transparent my arse.


20 posted on 10/16/2013 4:11:32 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: Lmo56

The ObamaCare web experience and design actually reminded me of cable TV company websites. Ever try to find the cost of adding a single service? Ever try to drop a service? Find the impact of upgrading a service on your total bill?

In most cases they make you go through the order process, prevent you from seeing all the options, and then at the end you can get the price. If you don’t like it, cancel out and start over.

Of course, cable TV operators are mostly monopolies too, granted by the government. Thank goodness we at least have satellite and internet options (of course I have to work with the cable company to get my internet connection).


21 posted on 10/16/2013 4:15:00 AM PDT by motor_racer (Who will bell the cat?)
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To: Frank_2001

IIRC Social Security was one of the first large scale implementations of systems from a company called IBM.


22 posted on 10/16/2013 4:27:46 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Lmo56

They should’ve offered “free shipping”.


23 posted on 10/16/2013 5:45:20 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Stand Watch Listen

These are great!


24 posted on 10/16/2013 6:48:07 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: kearnyirish2

Such explanations are at best only a piece of the puzzle. America also said, with its viewership, that it would accept this sort of bread and circuses. There has been a partial rebellion in recent years with the advent of Fox. It isn’t perfect or even nearly as good as it could be. The internet also allows more information leaks to be plugged with foreign media as close as a web browser. Good again gets a late start, but beats out evil in the end.


25 posted on 10/16/2013 8:27:43 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: cynwoody

We just have to decide which end of the gun barrel that we’ll be on. I have already chosen.


26 posted on 10/16/2013 12:31:09 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The destruction of the education system has left independent thinkers as a distinct minority that has little hope of regaining control; any idea of being able to assimilate into the larger culture is gone.

My family lives as though we are on an assignment in a foreign country.


27 posted on 10/16/2013 2:15:50 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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