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Florida sheriff eyes charging parents of teens arrested after bullied girl’s suicide
FoxNews.com ^ | 10/17/2013 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 10/17/2013 11:49:41 AM PDT by House Atreides

The Florida sheriff investigating a girl's suicide allegedly prompted by online bullying said he's considering charging the parents of one of the two girls arrested in the case because they're in "total denial."

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Looks like a major news outlet is finally posting pictures of the two charged girls (who have "dead eyes" in the photos) in this despicable crime.

The parents of these evil creatures have been defending them.

1 posted on 10/17/2013 11:49:41 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides
The parents of these evil creatures have been defending them.

While not very nice behavior, I'm not sure it rises to the level of a crime. You can't just bend the laws to punish a$$holes. They actually have to be guilty of something

2 posted on 10/17/2013 11:59:57 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: House Atreides
Do you really think these kids are guilty of her suicide?? Look to the kid's mother. She took her out of school and home schooled....something more to this....

sorry...being a skeptic prevents errors in judgment.

The sheriff already ahs the girls in jail for life.

3 posted on 10/17/2013 12:01:22 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: from occupied ga

Yep, if being an a-hole is a crime, you couldn’t build enough jails.


4 posted on 10/17/2013 12:02:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sacajaweau

The girl who killed herself apparently had tried the same thing before, she did have emotional problems..this all stemmed from the two girls(Rebecca and the 14 yr old) being involved with the same boy


5 posted on 10/17/2013 12:03:00 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: House Atreides
The family of the 14-year-old girl said her computer account was hacked ...

My 13-year-old tried that story on me last week, when time-stamped posts on Google+ showed that she had been online while I was out of the house. Sorry, not buying it.

6 posted on 10/17/2013 12:07:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: from occupied ga
While not very nice behavior, I'm not sure it rises to the level of a crime. You can't just bend the laws to punish a$$holes. They actually have to be guilty of something

Civilly, they may be liable, but I don't think I've ever heard of a parent being criminally charged for something their minor child did, unless the parent directly contributed. There was one case of cyberbullying I seem to recall where the parent (or parents) of the bullies were, in fact, involved in bullying the victim as well.

7 posted on 10/17/2013 12:08:47 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: from occupied ga

How about “facilitating a crime”, for the charges?


8 posted on 10/17/2013 12:11:19 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Huh? WTHeck?


9 posted on 10/17/2013 12:14:49 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: House Atreides

The two girls should be in jail. Not all teenage girls are 8!tches, but the worst 8!tches are teenage girls.


10 posted on 10/17/2013 12:15:30 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: House Atreides

Then they should arrest the parents of the suicidal 12-year old girl who allowed her to date boys and have unrestricted access to Facebook at her age. What blithering idiots.


11 posted on 10/17/2013 12:22:51 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: House Atreides

So. A girl gets bullied. She kills herself. Authorities want to charge the other girls and their parents.

And what about that 15 year old boy who killed himself after being threatened by bullies who threatened to charge him as a sex offender for simply streaking one night at the high school football game.

What kind of charges should they be facing?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3078736/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3077760/posts


12 posted on 10/17/2013 12:23:54 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: House Atreides
Looks like a major news outlet is finally posting pictures of the two charged girls (who have "dead eyes" in the photos) in this despicable crime.

Fox had their pictures up last evening and this morning. Not often you see two accused young teen pics with the height gauge behind them, let alonge girls. It would be nice if the teen gang punks (black, white or Hispanic) who cause mayhem would have their pictures released also. This was a surprising but welcome exception to the usual lib mantra that we have to protect the identities of the young "darlings."

13 posted on 10/17/2013 12:27:32 PM PDT by CedarDave (Benghazi victim's mom: "Hillary doesn't give a damn about you.")
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To: House Atreides

So now we want to lock up parents who are “in denial”? Is there a level of denial that criminal? Can we quantiate that or is it solely up to a judge?

Lets also lock up the baby mommas and daddys when their kids commit crimes or just join gangs. Lets lock up the school principal and the homeroom teacher of the girl who killed herself. Lock up the parents of kids who are too fat, or who shoot up a school, or who drink and drive. How bout the parents of young boys who wear NRA T-shirts, or dont believe in global warming?


14 posted on 10/17/2013 12:29:03 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
I read that Guadalupe (14-year-old)had threatened her and at one time physically attacked her. One neighbor mentioned that Guadalupe and her brothers were all bullies.
15 posted on 10/17/2013 12:30:39 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: House Atreides

said he’s considering charging the parents of one of the two girls arrested in the case because they’re in “total denial.”

Yeah I saw “Total Denial” in my Criminal Code Book listed right under “He Is An Asshole”. Both carry terms of 5 to 10 years..........


16 posted on 10/17/2013 12:37:14 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go tave atteno sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: IYAS9YAS
While not very nice behavior, I'm not sure it rises to the level of a crime. You can't just bend the laws to punish a$$holes. They actually have to be guilty of something.

Civilly, they may be liable, but I don't think I've ever heard of a parent being criminally charged for something their minor child did, unless the parent directly contributed. There was one case of cyberbullying I seem to recall where the parent (or parents) of the bullies were, in fact, involved in bullying the victim as well.

I don't feel comfortable charging people criminally (adults or children) with so-called "cyberbullying" if for no other reason than the slippery slope, (and you know that government and law enforcement LOVES to expand these laws as much as they can.) While some might look at this case and say these girls need to be punished because they're cyberbulling contributed to a suicide, where do you draw the line? If I'm in a heated discussion with somebody on FreeRepublic about one Obama policy or another, and in the heat of the moment I call them an idiot. Then latter that day they're found to have committed suicide and left a note saying the reason was they could no longer deal with being called names on FreeRepublic. Wouldn't I be just as guilty as these girls under "cyberbullying" laws? It would eventually get so that anybody would be afraid to say anything even remotely controversial that might upset someone suicidal...

17 posted on 10/17/2013 12:39:47 PM PDT by apillar
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To: House Atreides

So who forced the girl to log onto Facebook?


18 posted on 10/17/2013 12:44:40 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: RitaOK

I dunno is facilitating a crime a real crime?


19 posted on 10/17/2013 12:45:09 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Sacajaweau
"Look to the kid's mother. She took her out of school and home schooled...."

Oh yes, those weird homeschoolers are at it again.

"sorry...being a skeptic prevents errors in judgment."

How so in this case?

"The sheriff already ahs the girls in jail for life."

If you consider 5 years only for the 14 year old to be "life", then yes:

"Jeffrey Swartz, a professor at Thomas M. Cooley Law School in Riverview and a former Miami-Dade County judge, said if Guadalupe is charged as an adult, she could face up to five years of jail time. And Swartz said it might be the best option to make sure the 14-year-old receives a stiff enough punishment. "As an adult it's a third-degree felony," Swartz said. "That last (Facebook) message may be — if she gets tried as an adult — the reason why. She shows no social conscience." He said it's highly unlikely that the 12-year-old will be tried as an adult, but she could face juvenile detention, house detention or other probationary sanctions."

Source:http://www.theledger.com/article/20131016/NEWS/131019369?p=all&tc=pgall

20 posted on 10/17/2013 12:58:44 PM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: from occupied ga

Obama should be charged. Iam wagering money that some if not all those texts and calls were placed with a Obamafone. ;)

If not the seriousness of the accusation should lead to an arrest.....


21 posted on 10/17/2013 12:59:14 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
Lets also lock up the baby mommas and daddys when their kids commit crimes or just join gangs.

This would at least give those "parents" a good reason to pay attention to what their children are up to.

22 posted on 10/17/2013 1:07:13 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Yeah I saw “Total Denial” in my Criminal Code Book listed right under “He Is An Asshole”. Both carry terms of 5 to 10 years..........

That's gettin' off easy. My 24YO is still living at home. Believe me, it's a point of contention with my wife. I'm the A-hole in the family, but I'm Old School and I was raised that way.

Perhaps it's unfair, but I don't give a hoot. When I was 24, I'd already been a Platoon Leader nearly a year and a half. At 26, I was the S-4 (Supply Officer) of an Air Defense Artillery battalion.

My daughter just turned 26, and has been out of college a few years. In her eyes, I'm a freakin' genius now, as compared to 5-6 years ago.

I didn't mean to make light of the situation. Being a parent is a life sentence, and these parents were blind to what was going on with their daughters.

I've been teaching 6th graders at my parish over 15 years (Old Testament), and we spend a lot of class time dealing with bullying, gossiping, etc. For the life of me, I don't recall any student of mine in all those years that possessed those soul-less eyes.

I borrow a phrase from Francisco d'Anconia in his discussions with Hank Rearden: I give my students the words they will need for the time(s) they will need them. IOW, I try to arm them for the battles they will face, as teens, as young Catholics.

Apologies for digressing.

23 posted on 10/17/2013 1:10:50 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: apillar
I don't feel comfortable charging people criminally (adults or children) with so-called "cyberbullying" if for no other reason than the slippery slope, (and you know that government and law enforcement LOVES to expand these laws as much as they can.) While some might look at this case and say these girls need to be punished because they're cyberbulling contributed to a suicide, where do you draw the line? If I'm in a heated discussion with somebody on FreeRepublic about one Obama policy or another, and in the heat of the moment I call them an idiot. Then latter that day they're found to have committed suicide and left a note saying the reason was they could no longer deal with being called names on FreeRepublic. Wouldn't I be just as guilty as these girls under "cyberbullying" laws? It would eventually get so that anybody would be afraid to say anything even remotely controversial that might upset someone suicidal...

You're on it. Good post.

24 posted on 10/17/2013 1:22:27 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: House Atreides
From the article:

The girl who had been dating Sedwick's former boyfriend went to friends around the school and tried to have them turn on Sedwick,

Sedwick is the girl who killed herself, a 12 year old.

My question: why is a 12 year old dating, anyway? Sounds like the whole lot of them were/are screwed up.

25 posted on 10/17/2013 1:25:00 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama and Biden are merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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I don't feel comfortable charging people criminally (adults or children) with so-called "cyberbullying" if for no other reason than the slippery slope

Yes. It's certainly a grey area. That being said, criminal charges may not be appropriate, but certainly shaming should be. Problem is, many today would view their behavior as normal, or shameless.

26 posted on 10/17/2013 1:28:37 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: House Atreides

I think Grady Judd has already acknowledged the chances that these two girls will get any jail time are slim-to-none.

He’s pissed-off because one of the girls continued on online about how she didn’t care that the dead girl killed herself and that the girls and their families have just taken a flippant attitude over the whole situation.

He’s holding their feet to the fire.


27 posted on 10/17/2013 1:30:03 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: from occupied ga

What section of the FL penal code does being in denial cover?


28 posted on 10/17/2013 2:09:36 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: House Atreides

The parents of the bullies could be charged with child neglect if they did nothing to stop their child’s bullying.


29 posted on 10/17/2013 2:14:14 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: attiladhun2
What section of the FL penal code does being in denial cover?

None I would think, but I'm not a lawyer

30 posted on 10/17/2013 2:24:40 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: House Atreides
While the crime was gross, "being in denial" is not a crime itself. Likewise, if the girl was being tormented on an online forum, why did she keep going to that forum?

"Were *her* parents so indifferent to her that they permitted her to be abused?" Which is the flip side to the Sheriff's argument.

I remember that on USENET, the original Internet, that there was a forum specifically called "alt.flame", for people to hideously insult and demean each other. Nobody in their right mind went there to find "acceptance" or "friendship". Just to attack and be attacked. It was very popular to its subscribers.


31 posted on 10/17/2013 2:43:26 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: dfwgator
Yep, if being an a-hole is a crime, you couldn’t build enough jails.

And if a-holes could fly, this place would be an airport.

  ; )

32 posted on 10/17/2013 2:43:33 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Let your 'Yes' mean 'Yes,' and your 'No' mean 'No.' Matthew 5:37)
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To: from occupied ga

Just spoke with a friend who went to Maui, had a drink in a bar with some friends, and all were thrown out because one girl they were speaking with, slurred her speech. The county enforces a law that customers in a bar may not be on the premises if they are intoxicated. If an LEO entered the establishment, they could arrest both the customer and cite the restaurant for allowing an intoxicated person in their bar.


33 posted on 10/17/2013 2:48:49 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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Well what’s the point of going to a bar then?


34 posted on 10/17/2013 3:08:41 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: House Atreides

The girls who did the “bullying” are nothing but trash as are their parents. However, the twit who committed suicide did not have to read, look at or listen to the bullying comments. Charging any one with a crime in this sad incident is insane. If some one is to blame, it is the parent(s) of the suicide for not developing a sense of self reliance and a companionship with God.


35 posted on 10/17/2013 3:23:22 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: from occupied ga

“Accessory to a crime” works. Covering up for a confessed techy stalker, harrasser, and perpetrator of manslaughter should be thrown in.

Technological crimes among the very young, resulting in death by suicide of other adolescents is not much longer going to get a pass. It happened when vehicular homicide replaced the horse and buggy, and technology is coming right along as a tool for slander and terrorism causing death.


36 posted on 10/17/2013 3:55:35 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: House Atreides

sherrif grady was once asked why a man ( who executed and deputy and his dog) was shot 76 times.
His answer?? “we ran out of bullets”


37 posted on 10/17/2013 4:00:44 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

“I think Grady Judd has already acknowledged the chances that these two girls will get any jail time are slim-to-none....”
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He’s likely right. But I am glad that these two evil creatures have their names and pictures out on the internet now. Now, in the future, with a simple web search folks who have to deal with either of them will be able to become aware of what a potential sociopath they are dealing with. That could save some innocent soul’s life or at least spare them of potential adverse consequences.

And, by the way, shame on the folks in this thread who have been “blaming the victim”.


38 posted on 10/17/2013 4:34:55 PM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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Does anyone really think that there is any sanity or justice on the internet?

The “two evil creatures” referred to are 12 and 14 years old.

We can't keep evil, sickening, vicious idiots off this privately owned and monitored website, much less controll the vast number of worldwide losers who inhabit the rest of the web,ranging from child rape porn sites, terrorist groups and suicide enabling sites!

39 posted on 10/17/2013 8:11:57 PM PDT by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: RitaOK
“Accessory to a crime” works

No it doesn't because the were NOT accessories to anything, and for that matter, I don't consider "being mean" to someone on line a crime either. A crime would be pushing the girl off a cliff yelling "jump jump" to a wackjob on a ledge isn't a crime.

You people who are all for using the mindless power and minions of the state to punish behavior you find offensive should seriously consider the implications of what you're suggesting.

For example, if I were to call you a useful idiot who empowers tyranny would you go kill yourself? Would you even consider it? Of course not. So unless there's something seriously wrong in your psyche mean words do you no harm, and it they do, it's YOUR problem , not the problem of those who said them. Save criminal prosecution for criminal acts, and lets NOT give the state yet another handle on screwing the serfs.

40 posted on 10/18/2013 5:10:54 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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