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Gun Control Battle Brewing In Burlington (VT)
Vermont Public Radio ^ | October 21, 2013 | Taylor Dobbs

Posted on 10/22/2013 9:15:15 AM PDT by neverdem

Bob Dougall of Bolton, left, and Diane Tardif of Essex Junction came to Burlington Monday to protest proposed gun control measures.
Credit Taylor Dobbs / VPR
Bob Dougall of Bolton, left, and Diane Tardif of Essex Junction came to Burlington Monday to protest proposed gun control measures.

Burlington’s City Council Monday night heard public comments about proposed charter changes that would increase regulation of firearms in the city.

Contois Auditorium in Burlington’s City Hall was standing room only, and the city council opened the auditorium’s balcony for a one-hour public hearing on the proposed changes.

Four charter changes were at issue: The first would ban guns from any establishment with a liquor license; another would require police to seize firearms after domestic abuse incidents, a third requires “safe storage” of firearms, and the final change requires a permit for carrying concealed firearms.

The divide was clear, with gun control advocates wearing green T-shirts from GunSense Vermont, a gun control advocacy group. Gun rights advocates arrived in fluorescent orange hats and vests commonly worn by deer hunters. The gun rights activists passed out bright orange pamphlets that read “NO Burlington Gun Control.”

Many of the gun rights activists were mobilized by the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs, a group that lobbies to keep Vermont’s gun laws among the most relaxed in the nation.

Evan Hughes, the vice president of the group, said in an interview Monday that the proposed changes are in direct conflict with a Vermont state law that he calls the “Vermont Sportsmen’s Bill of Rights.”

The law states that, “Except as otherwise provided by law, no town, city, or incorporated village … shall directly regulate hunting, fishing and trapping or the possession, ownership, transportation, transfer, sale, purchase, carrying, licensing or registration of traps, firearms, ammunition or components of firearms or ammunition.” It also says, “The provisions of this section shall supersede any inconsistent provisions of a municipal charter.”

Based on that language, Hughes says, the city cannot legally regulate firearms.

Municipal charter changes have a long political journey. In order to go into effect, the city council must vote to put the change on the ballot and voters must approve it. Then, because charters are an agreement between the state government and municipal governments, the state legislature must approve the changes before they become official.

City Attorney Eileen Blackwood says the city's charter change explicitly establishes an exemption to the law Hughes referenced, so if the legislature passes the change, the city will be on firm legal ground.

An assault weapons ban was not on Monday night’s agenda. While the charter change committee and Mayor Miro Weinberger pushed for an assault weapons ban earlier this year, the city backed away from the regulation. Weinberger said he pulled his support when it became clear that an assault weapons ban would be difficult to pass in Montpelier.

Weinberger announced in a statement Monday afternoon that he supports three of the four provisions. Weinberger said that “after careful consideration,” he opposes a permitting process for concealed carry and assault weapons ban “because I doubt the effectiveness of these measures and because these two particular reforms would create a patchwork of local regulation that would be problematic for responsible Vermont gun owners.”

For live updates from the meeting, click here.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 10/22/2013 9:15:15 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: Cicero; APatientMan; Vermont Lt; Straight Vermonter
BANG! BOLO Bloomberg bucks!
2 posted on 10/22/2013 9:19:24 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem

Isn’t Burlington the murder capital of the USA? They need gun control!

/s


3 posted on 10/22/2013 9:19:50 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: neverdem

Those laws might be good. Do we have any historical evidence that “gun-free zones” are unsafe?

And don’t go back to the Old West for examples. This is the 21st century and we’re a modern country.


4 posted on 10/22/2013 9:20:19 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem

I’ve been warning my friend in VT and NH to get ready for the lib take over. First it’ll be gun control, then especially in NH it will be a sales and income taxes added. When that happens they will far surpass MA tax rate because of their property taxes.

I’m going to laugh when it happens. I may even laugh at them in person.


5 posted on 10/22/2013 9:20:37 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: neverdem

They throw up a whole bunch of stuff they know they won’t get, but they put one goal in there they really want to get, more than the others.

they then concede on a whole bunch but keep the one they really want. they look like they compromised and “gave up” stuff they never cared nearly as much about as the one goal they did want to get through.

it’s also a test to make sure they can try banning something and seeing if their “exemption” to regulating firearms will hold up in court. if it does they’ll go after a whole other bunch of stuff next time.


6 posted on 10/22/2013 9:22:27 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: neverdem

And these idiots in VT will go for it.


7 posted on 10/22/2013 9:26:22 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: TheRhinelander

re NH you have no idea what youre talking about.


8 posted on 10/22/2013 9:30:05 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: neverdem

.Contois Auditorium in Burlington’s City Hall was standing room only”

...I’ve been to Burlington many times. The last place I’d want to be with all the stinky ass hippies in that town is “standing room only”.


9 posted on 10/22/2013 9:34:12 AM PDT by albie
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To: 1010RD
Excuse me; I think you may have a typo. Did you mean to ask, "Do we have any historical evidence that 'gun-free zones' are safe?"

Recent (post-1990) events indicate that "gun-free zones" are treated as "free-fire zones" by the criminally-minded and/or psychologically afflicted.

10 posted on 10/22/2013 9:35:43 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: neverdem

Bravo Zulu, Bob and Diane.


11 posted on 10/22/2013 9:37:51 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Occupy the DC Mall - take back the monuments)
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To: Disambiguator

I was a resident of Burlington for 8 years myself. While not “the murder capitol” there have been some notorious murders there, interestingly they did not involve firearms...more the crowbar variety, in broad daylight nonetheless.


12 posted on 10/22/2013 9:39:23 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: 1010RD
'Do we have any historical evidence that “gun-free zones” are unsafe?'

That would be DC.

13 posted on 10/22/2013 9:57:12 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Disambiguator

“Isn’t Burlington the murder capital of the USA? They need gun control!”

I don’t know about that, but the last time I was there, I thought I was in East Germany. Dour buildings with lots of bums on the streets. Not at all like what I expected or anything like the rest of the towns I visited in the state. I just imagine that Bernie Saunders is from there, being that he’s basically a Communist!


14 posted on 10/22/2013 10:28:37 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: neverdem

ping for later reading...


15 posted on 10/22/2013 11:46:46 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: neverdem

Vermont is extremely liberal, and Burlington is the liberal center of Vermont. It’s the biggest city in Vermont, and it’s home to the University of Vermont. Hippie central in spades.

OTOH, Vermont is very favorable to guns. The whole state is populated by hippies with guns. In a typical episode, one of my in-laws, who is further to the left than Lenin, sat on his porch one day and shot fifteen squirrels, because his wife complained that they were dining on her bird feeder.

I think that Vermont has fewer gun control laws than any other state, including Texas, and I don’t think they’ve tightened up at all during all these Moms against Guns moments.


16 posted on 10/22/2013 12:44:10 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 556x45

Oh but I do. You’ll get it (more taxes) soon enough. And your little dog too!


17 posted on 10/22/2013 2:44:11 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: neverdem
Many of the gun rights activists were mobilized by the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs, a group that lobbies to keep Vermont’s gun laws among the most relaxed in the nation.

I was surprised to learn that VT is very pro gun.

18 posted on 10/22/2013 2:48:13 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: neverdem

It’s the same old story throughout once conservative sections of New England - Bostonians move there to get away from the rat race, and bring the rats along with them.


19 posted on 10/22/2013 4:05:54 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: neverdem

>>Mayor Miro Weinberger pushed for an assault weapons ban <<

It doesn’t make sense in my small mind that a Jew would fight to restrict guns. Something is missing from the article. Was he dropped on his head as a child?


20 posted on 10/22/2013 6:57:25 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Cicero
OTOH, Vermont is very favorable to guns.

IIRC, Vermont was always OK with concealed firearms, no license, no permit, etc.

21 posted on 10/23/2013 10:00:14 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: Moonman62
I was surprised to learn that VT is very pro gun.

Maybe because it's too cold there? There's no significant history of crime, big cities or large numbers of minorities.

22 posted on 10/23/2013 10:08:21 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: B4Ranch
It doesn’t make sense in my small mind that a Jew would fight to restrict guns. Something is missing from the article. Was he dropped on his head as a child?

It doesn’t make sense, but most Jews are liberal, and many of those liberals are in the forefront of the attacks on liberty, e.g. Schumer, Bloomberg, Feinstein, etc.

23 posted on 10/23/2013 10:20:03 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem

I know and it amazes me that they continue to be reelected.


24 posted on 10/23/2013 10:27:41 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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