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High school cheerleader car wash violates environmental laws
The Daily Caller ^ | 10-25-2013 | Michael Bastasch

Posted on 10/25/2013 10:10:17 AM PDT by markomalley

It’s hard to wave your spirit fingers when the city shuts down the cheerleading squad’s fundraising car wash to protect the environment.

This is what happened to Lincoln High School cheerleaders trying to raise money to attend a national competition in April. The San Jose Mercury reports that local environmental officials warned the high school cheerleaders that their car wash violated the city’s water discharge laws.

“We had a visit from the city of San Jose Environmental Services Department who said that the car washes at Hoover [Middle School] are in violation of water discharge laws, therefore we had to cancel this and all future car washes,” said an email that was sent out to neighborhood email lists on Oct. 18.

“Anything that is not storm water or rain water is considered a pollutant,” said Jennie Loft, acting communications manager for San Jose’s Environmental Services Department. “If it goes into a storm drain, that pollutant will harm wildlife and habitats in the creeks. Water goes directly from the storm drains into our creeks.”

The city intervened in response to two complaints received about the car wash events Lincoln High Schoolers had been holding at Hoover Middle School. City officials reached out to school and district staff to give them information on how to prevent pollutants from getting into storm drains.

The city also gave some tips on how they can have legally compliant cars washes.

The Mercury reports: “Conduct car washing over gravel, grassy area, or other earthen areas if possible… Ensure that wash water (soapy or not) does not run into a street, gutter, or storm drain… Wash water from paved areas should be collected and diverted either into the sanitary sewer system or a landscaped area… Use different methods to protect the storm drain system… Ensure no soap stains remain on the ground.”

These byzantine regulations don’t just apply to high school sports teams struggling to raise money, but also to individuals who want to give their car a rinse.

“What most people should do if washing their cars at home is park it on the lawn so the water is diverted into landscape,” Loft said. “Or go to a designated neighborhood car wash, so it doesn’t go into the storm drain.”

According to the Mercury, the Lincoln High School cheerleaders still need funds to get to their competition and are welcoming contributions by check to “Lincoln Cheer 2013-2014, Lincoln High School, 555 Dana Ave., San Jose, 95126, attention Mrs. Phillips.”


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To: dfwgator

Don’t forget “Real Genius”.


51 posted on 10/25/2013 10:38:13 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Zippo44
"I live in Texas and I see several fundraising car washes every weekend from the start of the school year until it gets too cold."

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In Texas, too.....fundraising car washes are okay here, too.

52 posted on 10/25/2013 10:38:31 AM PDT by hummingbird (Don't be afraid of the big words.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

awesome. Just add water.

Take this opportunity to clean up the glass on the bottom of the lake where the kids like to swim.

No old villages down there?

:p

That is pretty dry


53 posted on 10/25/2013 10:38:57 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: markomalley

There are car washes all the time in my city to help pay for gangbangers’ funerals. I’d like to see the Enviro Cops try to shut one down!


54 posted on 10/25/2013 10:39:20 AM PDT by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go!)
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To: GeronL; basil
What the boat ramp USED to look like...

 

55 posted on 10/25/2013 10:40:28 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: markomalley

So what do they do with their Wastewater Treatment Plant (sewage plant) effluent?


56 posted on 10/25/2013 10:41:40 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I don't have a picture of Canyon Lake, I might try to get one soon just to see how low it is compared to internet pictures of what its supposed to look like.


File photo from WildTexas.com

57 posted on 10/25/2013 10:43:05 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: lastchance

We do all of that, without the Feds telling us to. Come on, you know better than that, I know u do! Freepers r wicked smart and take care of what God made, as I am sure you do.


58 posted on 10/25/2013 10:45:24 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Welcome to Obamastan!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“My local Stage 2 Water restrictions.

http://www.saws.org/conservation/droughtrestrictions/StageTwo.cfm";

Yeah, but we were at 639 feet as of yesterday. At least that is what the board said.


59 posted on 10/25/2013 10:45:26 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Senator Cruz basically made the Democrats fight for a whole bunch of things that they already had.")
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To: markomalley
These byzantine regulations don’t just apply to high school sports teams struggling to raise money, but also to individuals who want to give their car a rinse.

Try explaining that to the Mexicans in East San Jose.

60 posted on 10/25/2013 10:45:57 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Now that is a nice looking lake as opposed to a place to fly kites.

It reminds me though, that all the lakes in Texas aside from maybe 2 are man-made.


61 posted on 10/25/2013 10:45:59 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
I was at Canyon Lake (Cranes Mill) in April.

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Many boat ramps were closed. The water was just too low.

62 posted on 10/25/2013 10:46:28 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SkyDancer

EXACTLY my thought....


63 posted on 10/25/2013 10:47:07 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Gotcha....I understand restricting water in droughts. But that is usually our local rural water board that asks us to do that, not the Feds. But I understand your point.


64 posted on 10/25/2013 10:47:23 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Welcome to Obamastan!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

but we still have water, so far. But start stocking up bottled water for us if things don’t change.

All this rain recently barely made a dent.


65 posted on 10/25/2013 10:47:31 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Responsibility2nd

WOW!!! looks like its been a while since you could use that boat ramp as a BOAT ramp!


66 posted on 10/25/2013 10:48:35 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

nice camper


67 posted on 10/25/2013 10:48:35 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: markomalley

These girls just didn’t go about it correctly.

They needed to be doing one of two things:
1. Topless and constantly kissing and rubbing each other.
2. Pay a couple guys to dress in Bikinis and prance around and help.

Either of those would have allowed them to scream LBGT discrimination and the environazis would have slinked away and allowed them to continue.


68 posted on 10/25/2013 10:51:40 AM PDT by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: lastchance

Agricultural runoff is a BIG deal here in my neck of America. Soap? not so much.


69 posted on 10/25/2013 10:51:56 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

lol


70 posted on 10/25/2013 10:53:02 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: markomalley
in response to two complaints

that's why God invented tar, feathers, and rails

71 posted on 10/25/2013 10:53:52 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: markomalley

if you care about your paint finish you would stay away from any bunch of cheerleaders with the intent to “clean” your car with a bucket of water and brushes that contains the filth of the 50 cars that went ahead of you.

seriously.


72 posted on 10/25/2013 10:53:53 AM PDT by Gasshog (Welcome to the United States of Stupidos!)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

WOW!!! looks like its been a while since you could use that boat ramp as a BOAT ramp!

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4 years and counting....

Side story. Me and Mrs R2 just bought property at Medina Lake this year. Because they develped a nice community as a lake side resort subdivision - and now there is no lake - they have cut asking prices by 1/2.

So yeah. We just bought two lots. Cheap. If and when the water returns and the lake comes back - BOUNS! Our values will double.

If not - well it is still a nice community. We keep our RV there and it makes for a great weekend getaway.


73 posted on 10/25/2013 10:55:08 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Gasshog

Especially if you have a white car.


74 posted on 10/25/2013 10:56:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GeronL
Thanks. I tow it with this.

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I love this Xterra. It tows that RV with power to spare.

 

75 posted on 10/25/2013 10:56:41 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: yellowdoghunter

This wasn’t the Feds. The city also let the school know how to hold a car wash without risking the environment. Putting the cars on a grassy area is not such a hardship. This is one of those rules that makes sense. Liberal probably would want to have centrally controlled water meters to make sure water use was distributed fairly and restricted once a certain level was reached.

Now what gets interesting is when the rules themselves are a main contributor to a problem that other rules are made to solve or prevent. For example requiring that parking areas have a certain amount of impervious surface means at some point you will get run off from that surface.

Ah but what can one expect, these are the same type of great minds that believed a low flush toilet would save water. Forgetting just why the toilet needed to flush int he first place.


76 posted on 10/25/2013 10:56:42 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

I think maybe they ship it to China for them to put in dog treats.


77 posted on 10/25/2013 10:57:36 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: basil
Mr. h and I are going to look at rain barrels this weekend.

TO CAPTURE FREE RAIN WATER!

78 posted on 10/25/2013 10:58:26 AM PDT by hummingbird (Don't be afraid of the big words.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Wow!

Um, who’s been watering the lawn? Looks awful green. :-^)


79 posted on 10/25/2013 10:58:39 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

Yep. We have had some rain this summer - but we need a few hundred feet more to fill ‘er up.


80 posted on 10/25/2013 11:00:07 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

It looks bigger than the RV, lol


81 posted on 10/25/2013 11:01:42 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Responsibility2nd

I know... we will get a long hose and siphon it from the Gulf! Here, you suck it to get it started I think. This pln could use some work.


82 posted on 10/25/2013 11:05:23 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: lastchance

U R absolutely right. I just hate to see something so “American” as a car-wash to raise funds shut down due to “environmental” concerns. It just struck me wrong. Also, I never wish to stir discontent with fellow Freepers, as we are all on the same team. Go America!!! Lol!!


83 posted on 10/25/2013 11:08:11 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Welcome to Obamastan!)
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To: lastchance
"Caring about where you live and the resources that are a source of income for many is not being a Communist. It is caring about stewardship and the responsibility God gave us to care for and respect His creation."

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It is caring about stewardship and the responsibility God gave us to care for and respect His creation.

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Your post rings true. Are there any biodegrading cleansers these kids can use for car wash fundraisers? And, for adults, too. Some cleansers I've used in the past made me want to call HAZMAT.

84 posted on 10/25/2013 11:12:03 AM PDT by hummingbird (Don't be afraid of the big words.)
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To: hummingbird

Good idea. We don’t have a place to put one.


85 posted on 10/25/2013 11:12:15 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Really? Hmmmm.....what is the towing capacity of that? I am currently looking for a solid, durable tow vehicle.


86 posted on 10/25/2013 11:14:33 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Oh I would hate to see fund raising practices like this shut down too. I wonder if they could like the MD fund raiser where you have bail someone out of “jail”. Just think students could “arrest” teachers and administrators then “bail money” is sought for their release. I can’t see how this could go wrong. Either the money is paid and the funds are raised or the money is not paid and the teachers and administrators quietly fade into obscurity in some forgotten gulag. Ah bliss.


87 posted on 10/25/2013 11:14:37 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

I don’t think they are overly worried about the soap but about what else might be carried in the water flow as it makes its way through the storm drain system. But even soap in large enough amounts (which can be small amounts accumulating from different sources) can be a problem which is why quite a few State and National Parks have rules about washing in the lake and river water found there.


88 posted on 10/25/2013 11:16:54 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: dfwgator
"Especially if you have a white car."

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I would wash my own car and drive by to make a donation for fundraising.

Maybe get them to just wash wheels so they would feel they did something to earn money for the fundraising and not being given $$$ without doing any work.

89 posted on 10/25/2013 11:24:14 AM PDT by hummingbird (Don't be afraid of the big words.)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

5,000 lbs.

The Xterra has a 4.0 litre V6 engine with 265 hp. The Frontier (same vehicle except its a truck) can tow 6,000 lbs. Because the Frontier has a longer wheelbase.

I absolutely love my X.


90 posted on 10/25/2013 11:24:44 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: dfwgator

Yes, it’s true, this man has no D*k


91 posted on 10/25/2013 11:26:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: AFreeBird
"Um, who’s been watering the lawn? Looks awful green. :-^)"

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Maybe God.

Maybe deep water wells.

92 posted on 10/25/2013 11:29:02 AM PDT by hummingbird (Don't be afraid of the big words.)
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To: hummingbird

FABULOSO

everytime my wife mops with that stuff I head for the garage


93 posted on 10/25/2013 11:33:52 AM PDT by Gasshog (Welcome to the United States of Stupidos!)
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To: Gasshog
FABULOSO everytime my wife mops with that stuff I head for the garage

I equate the smell of that stuff with my mom. She uses tons of it in my house when she comes to visit.

94 posted on 10/25/2013 11:36:08 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: markomalley

The chemical compound dihydrogen monoxide is known to the State Of California to cause lack of thirst, increased urination, and sudden violent death.


95 posted on 10/25/2013 11:41:40 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Safetgiver

Its always a generous small business that pays for the water..I know they are evil in the mind of the left and these events show that we need more centralized control of water


96 posted on 10/25/2013 11:56:18 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (A rational question....Who won the Cold War?)
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To: GeronL
I’m about 40 miles from San Antonio

I'm envious...I need a road trip to get my Mi Tierra fix.

Best tortilla soup in the state, and their bakery's awesome.

97 posted on 10/25/2013 12:05:53 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: markomalley

as long as biodegradable cleaning products are used, run off from the car wash into the storm drain system should not be problem for natures inhabitants in the creeks or the plant life - they will break down before any systemic calamity from their discharge occurs


98 posted on 10/25/2013 12:37:24 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: markomalley

What? You mean they didn’t file their an environmental impact report with the EPA? Throw em in jail.


99 posted on 10/25/2013 12:47:57 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Government shut down? Call me when the government shuts UP!)
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To: Safetgiver

“... they also waste water...”

Right. We can’t have that, what with water being a non-renewable resource and all. /s


100 posted on 10/25/2013 1:03:44 PM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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