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Police seize parts for 'Britain's first 3D gun' in raid
Express.co.uk ^ | October 25, 2013 | By: Benjamin Russell

Posted on 10/25/2013 10:03:40 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

Police believe the parts represent the "next generation" of firearms, which can be created by gangsters in the privacy of their own homes and smuggled with ease due to the fact they can avoid X-ray detection.

The gun parts were discovered, along with a 3D printer, when officers from Greater Manchester Police executed a series of warrants in the Bagley area yesterday.

Police found what is suspected to be a 3D plastic magazine and trigger which could be fitted together to make a working gun.

A man has been arrested on suspicion of making gunpowder and remains in custody for questioning.

The technology works by allowing anyone who has a 3D printer - which can be bought on the high street for about £1,200 - to download designs for guns or components.

The printers themselves squirt molten plastic to produce 3D shapes of whatever design has been downloaded.

The model parts can then be converted to become a genuine firearm capable of firing bullets.

The parts are now being forensically examined by firearms specialists to establish if they could construct a genuine device.

It they are found to be viable components for a gun, it would be the first ever seizure of this kind in the UK, police said.

A 3D printer was seized in the raid [PA]

The raid was part of Challenger, the largest ever multi-agency operation to target organised criminality in Manchester.

Detective Inspector Chris Mossop, of Challenger's Organised Crime Coordination Unit, said: "This is a really significant discovery for Greater Manchester Police.

"If what we have seized is proven to be viable components capable of constructing a genuine firearm, then it demonstrates that organised crime groups are acquiring technology that can be bought on the high street to produce the next generation of weapons.

"In theory, the technology essentially allows offenders to produce their own guns in the privacy of their own home, which they can then supply to the criminal gangs who are causing such misery in our communities.

A part believed to be a magazine for a plastic gun [PA]

"Because they are also plastic and can avoid X-ray detection, it makes them easy to conceal and smuggle."

He added: "These could be the next generation of firearms and a lot more work needs to be done to understand the technology and the scale of the problem.

"If what we have seized today can, as we suspect, be used to make a genuine firearm then today will be an important milestone in the fight against this next generation of homemade weapons.

"I would strongly urge anyone who has information about the whereabouts of a gun in their community to call us."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 10/25/2013 10:03:40 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

The phrase “first 3D gun” makes it sound like all guns prior to that were two-dimensional (flat like a sheet of paper).


2 posted on 10/25/2013 10:04:39 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: null and void


3 posted on 10/25/2013 10:04:56 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar
Love this technology but I am worried about our one true enemy getting them past security and on a passenger jet.
4 posted on 10/25/2013 10:06:23 PM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Police jump the gun after 3D printer raid
Owner of supposed 3D printed ‘gun’ claims they are actually parts of a printer

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-jump-the-gun-after-3d-printer-raid-8904697.html


5 posted on 10/25/2013 10:07:35 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

All this fuss about a little bit of plastic....whilst the muzzies roam about cutting peoples’ heads off.


6 posted on 10/25/2013 10:08:04 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Fascist Brits trying to subvert people’s basic rights. Too bad. This is the future.


7 posted on 10/25/2013 10:08:44 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Jet Jaguar

Then the toyshopkeeper whose workshop had been raided issued a tearful denial claiming the items were parts of the printer which he uses to make models.

The 38-year-old man, who wanted to be known only as Andrew, described how 30 officers swarmed over his premises where the printer was kept in full views on his workbench where it was employed to make everything from cake decorations to trinkets.


8 posted on 10/25/2013 10:08:48 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: deadrock
Love this technology but I am worried about our one true enemy getting them past security and on a passenger jet.

The pilots are locked up. At most one passenger could be hit before the terrorist would have to reload, and everyone would subdue him. No big threat.

9 posted on 10/25/2013 10:15:50 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Jet Jaguar

They better not crack down on organised crime groups here. Congress will be out of business.


10 posted on 10/25/2013 10:16:58 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: deadrock

Polymers cannot be detected by x-rays? Am I reading this right?


11 posted on 10/25/2013 10:41:30 PM PDT by Antihero101607
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To: Antihero101607
Good question. And how many pieces can a 3d gun be broken down to? Can those individual pieces be disguised as something innocuous?
12 posted on 10/25/2013 10:44:59 PM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: deadrock

How do you get the ammo on the plane?


13 posted on 10/26/2013 12:55:05 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: deadrock; Antihero101607

Most people would find it much easier to just smuggle in the data required to print a gun at their destination, when they need it. For instance, a gang of criminals could use 3D printers to arm themselves just before a robbery, or whatever. They could simply melt the guns afterward.


14 posted on 10/26/2013 1:58:43 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Antihero101607; deadrock
Polymers cannot be detected by x-rays? Am I reading this right?

Polymers can be detected by x-rays however a polymer firearm would not necessarily look like what a security guard would expect a firearm to look like and so could go unnoticed.

Real question is would a polymer firearm really work?

A true practical polymer firearm (one in which all of the parts are polymer) would have to be capable of firing repeatedly; as the article stated they had found a magazine; a practical firearm would need a magazine.

The real issues with the printed firearm are springs, barrels and firing pins. Plastics are not very good materials for these parts. To my knowledge you will not find plastic used for these parts in commercially manufactured firearms.

Barrels are subjected to extreme pressures when a cartridge is fired; any currently available plastic would fail if a barrel manufactured in a 3D printer had a factory loaded cartridge fired in that barrel. It may be possible to hand load a cartridge to a low enough pressure for the barrel to survive firing the cartridge but the heat of gases generated by firing would damage the plastic barrel (melt the plastic) enough that firing a second cartridge would be unsafe.

Firing pins are a problem because of hardness. Any plastic hard enough to fire a primer is too brittle to survive repeated strikes on a primer.

Springs suffer similar issues as firing pins. If the plastic is resilient enough to function as the spring as it is required to be in the firearm application it is too brittle to survive repeated cycle in the firearm.

Current materials available to 3D printing are lacking to make these vital components for a practical firearm. I believe that I read that a single use firearm has been made on a 3D printer; fire a single round and throw it away. But I would not want to fire one.

I believe that most any firearm could be printed on a 3D printer with the exception of the parts mentioned and that is a big deal.

15 posted on 10/26/2013 2:27:27 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Police found what is suspected to be a 3D plastic magazine and trigger which could be fitted together to make a working gun.

Police found what they suspect is a box? Oh, dear! And they found a short, thin piece of plastic too? Oh, my! No barrel? No receiver? No 3D plastic ammo with 3D plastic bullets propelled by 3D plastic powder? I'm having a little trouble figuring out why this requires thirty cops, or even why it would require one retired meter maid to respond to the potential danger.

16 posted on 10/26/2013 4:03:03 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Antihero101607

Which reminds me, the terrorist on 9/11 used plastic knives to hijack the planes. Which is on of the reasons for the harassing TSA, looking for metal objects. I think the terrorist will always find a way, maybe not on planes.


17 posted on 10/26/2013 4:42:50 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: Jet Jaguar; AFPhys; AD from SpringBay; ADemocratNoMore; aimhigh; AnalogReigns; archy; ...

Political power grows out of the nozzle of a 3-D Printer.

18 posted on 10/26/2013 6:37:11 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: deadrock
Love this technology but I am worried about our one true enemy getting them past security and on a passenger jet.

The government already can take guns onto aircraft.

19 posted on 10/26/2013 6:39:06 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Pollster1

Police found what is suspected to be a 3D plastic magazine and trigger which could be fitted together to make a working gun.

This is truly an improvement in technology to be able to make a gun with a magazine and a trigger. Who needs a stinking barrel and ammunition?


20 posted on 10/26/2013 6:43:41 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Pontiac
Current materials available to 3D printing are lacking to make these vital components for a practical firearm.

There are 3-D printers that can directly print metal parts. These parts are used as anything from gears to jet engine parts.

It is quite possible to print springs, firing pins and barrels.

Governments want to utterly squash and destroy personal printing well before metal printers are priced for the home/hobbyist market.

A citizen who isn't utterly dependent on government and its Bestest Friend Forever, Big Business for every necessity of life is a terrifying prospect for some.

21 posted on 10/26/2013 6:49:12 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Jet Jaguar

“Police found what is suspected to be a 3D plastic magazine and trigger”

So...a plastic box and a small squiggle.

“which could be fitted together to make a working gun”

After adding receiver, barrel, firing pin, grip, spring, another spring, extractor, slide...most of which really need to be metal for practical use.

This is like arresting someone for drunk driving because he has keys and a tire.


22 posted on 10/26/2013 7:19:35 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: null and void

Good one.


23 posted on 10/26/2013 7:24:28 AM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: deadrock

24 posted on 10/26/2013 7:26:24 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

3-D gun raid in UK may have nabbed printer parts

“Sometimes a 3-D printer part is just a 3-D printer part.

Police thought they had seized the UKs first 3-D-printed gun on Thursday when they raided a local model-making shop, arrested its 38-year-old owner, and confiscated a 3-D printer and a number of parts they believed were for a 3-D printed gun.

However, it now appears the parts are likely just replacement components for the 3-D printer itself.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3083922/posts


25 posted on 10/26/2013 9:04:00 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: castlegreyskull
Which reminds me, the terrorist on 9/11 used plastic knives to hijack the planes.

They used box cutters (aka razors) which are metal.

As an aside an acrylic knife could easily be a deadly weapon.

26 posted on 10/26/2013 3:15:09 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Remember the days where we had a low incident of violent crimes?

Remember the capabilities of our chemistry sets in the '60's?

Remember building cannons out of "tin cans" and lighter fluid?

Remember liberty coupled with accountability?

No more of that nonsense. We all must rely on an all powerful State to protect us from ourselves...

As government expands - individual freedom, responsibility, and accountability shrinks.

27 posted on 10/26/2013 7:50:36 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Things will be a lot more interesting when someone figures out how to print primers or brass. (hint - don’t hold your breath!)


28 posted on 10/28/2013 11:11:27 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Revolt is coming.


29 posted on 10/28/2013 11:47:29 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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