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NYT: Say, Obamacare kind of undermines Obama’s big-government approach, huh?
hotair.com ^ | 10/28/2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 10/28/2013 11:59:51 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

Hey, I hate to tell the New York Times I told you so, but … oh wait, I’m happy to tell them that. Last week, I wrote two pieces that noted the existential danger posed by the ObamaCare disaster to big-government progressivism, one at the Fiscal Times and the other at CNN. Today, the Gray Lady alerts its readers to the risks of failure and incompetence at the White House:

In his biggest and most important speeches, the president often talks with passion about a “smarter, more effective government.” He has called on Congress to embrace and pay for a “21st century government that’s open and competent.” And he has vowed to work to “rebuild people’s faith in the institution of government.”

But in the pursuit of that lofty goal, Mr. Obama faces determined opposition from conservatives who view government as the problem, not the solution. And to succeed, he must win over an increasingly skeptical public whose trust in government has eroded over decades. A survey last week by the Pew Research Center found that just 19 percent of Americans trust government to do what is right just about always or most of the time.

The breakdown of the federal HealthCare.gov Web site could emerge as a test of Mr. Obama’s philosophy, with potentially serious implications for an agenda that relies heavily on the belief in a can-do bureaucracy. Michael Dimock, the Pew center’s director, said that the longer the problems persist, the more they could bolster what he called the “almost American value that government is inefficient.” …


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1 posted on 10/28/2013 11:59:51 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Futhermore I disagree with those here (and on talk radio) who claim that Obamacares failures makes the convincing case for single payer gov run health care, quite the opposite.


2 posted on 10/28/2013 12:04:47 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: RoosterRedux

This is much more than a website that doesn’t work. Soon it will become apparent even to low information voters that this thing was sold on a pack of lies, like you can keep your health plan if you want and that it would pay for itself or even save money. It was all a baldface lie.


3 posted on 10/28/2013 12:05:24 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: RoosterRedux
Central planning is great!


4 posted on 10/28/2013 12:05:37 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: RoosterRedux
what he called the “almost American value that government is inefficient.”

ALMOST? I would say that this is a primary American value.

5 posted on 10/28/2013 12:14:31 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: RoosterRedux

BTW Hanity just announced that Moochell’s college classmate received the no-bid contract, CGI, to develop and create Obamacare.


6 posted on 10/28/2013 12:14:56 PM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: Maceman

The entire premise of our Constitution is restraints on government.

And if that fails to convince, the history of the USSR is instructive.


7 posted on 10/28/2013 12:18:18 PM PDT by Argus
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To: RoosterRedux

ANYONE that has dealt with the Social Security Adm, or VA, has more than a clear understanding of a bureaucracy which is probably why seniors are more adverse to government intrusion.. However, most older folks have just filed their SS paperwork once and forgot it.. It’s only when you try to correct something that the red tape begins to wrap you up..

If the young can be made to understand that the Student Loan Problem is do in great part to Big Government interference they will respond in kind.. Most folks who own these massive debts agree that those loans were made too easy to suck these kids into the web at too young an age to grasp the downside..


8 posted on 10/28/2013 12:20:08 PM PDT by carlo3b (RUFFLE FEATHERS, and destroy their FEATHER NEST!)
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To: sickoflibs
I disagree with those here (and on talk radio) who claim that Obamacares failures makes the convincing case for single payer gov run health care, quite the opposite.

Absolutely! Obamacare makes the case for NOT giving the government anything to be responsible for...it's incompetence has been revealed.

9 posted on 10/28/2013 12:21:19 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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“A survey last week by the Pew Research Center found that just 19 percent of Americans trust government to do what is right just about always or most of the time. “

When I worked with the Soviets in the 80’s, the ‘average man’ in the USSR hated the privileged communist party members and all their government perks. A common criticism was “It’s just 10% of the population (communist party)screwing the other 90%.” But above I see that our “ruling class” percentage is 19%...


10 posted on 10/28/2013 12:41:26 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: RoosterRedux

While I believe there isn’t a spitting distance between Fascism and Communism, I do think Obamacare is an excellent example of a fascist approach to Socialism. Government has partnered itself with private insurance to control it, and take it over. Those who don’t participate or agree with this bit of tyranny will become political criminals. Care to guess what is coming to our police state next?


11 posted on 10/28/2013 12:57:14 PM PDT by pallis
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To: pallis

” I do think Obamacare is an excellent example of a fascist approach to Socialism.”

Bump


12 posted on 10/28/2013 12:58:45 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (wE)
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To: sickoflibs

What you say is obvious to us, but is it obvious to people with “other assumptions” as the basis of their worldview?


13 posted on 10/28/2013 1:03:51 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: RoosterRedux
…Mr. Obama faces determined opposition from conservatives who view government as the problem, not the solution.

This is how the media, in an indirect way, associates conservatives with anarchists. Notice how “conservatives”, are the ones that “view government as the problem.” It’s a short step from there to, “conservatives are anti-government.”

I think most conservatives see government as a necessity, while viewing the people running the government as the problem.

14 posted on 10/28/2013 1:20:08 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Sergio

Philosophically, “conservatives” [should] recognize that it doesn’t get better when the “right people” are in charge of big government.

The problem is that you have PEOPLE with power over other people, and the way to solve that problem is to limit that power to a minimum.


15 posted on 10/28/2013 1:22:44 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
RE :”What you say is obvious to us, but is it obvious to people with “other assumptions” as the basis of their worldview”

Dems using a obviously failed Obamacare as an argument to make it even more government run to make it work is like the GOP (who cut taxes early on GWB) trying to convince voters that the collapse of the economy in the last~ 2+ years of GWB presidency shows that we need even more tax cuts like the ones Bush passed to fix it.

Many here scratched their heads : “Why don't they believe it?? Reagan....Carter....Bwany Fwank’

Similar lesson. Results are 100X stronger than words are.

16 posted on 10/28/2013 1:23:31 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Is Obamacare the biggest, costliest, worst man-made disaster in history? (I’m not talking about hurricanes or earthquakes here). What is comparable in dollars and numbers of people affected?

The Hindenberg?
The Titanic?
Chernobyl?

I don’t know, just asking.


17 posted on 10/28/2013 1:27:48 PM PDT by JohnEBoy
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To: MrB
RE :”What you say is obvious to us, but is it obvious to people with “other assumptions” as the basis of their worldview”

The one you may be thinking of is

Which should the government do to reduce the deficit, reform social security and medicare by reducing future benefits(or raise age) , or raise taxes??”

I think this is why the deficit scares so many Republicans.

18 posted on 10/28/2013 1:31:05 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: sickoflibs

here?


19 posted on 10/28/2013 1:31:09 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: sickoflibs

I am not sure how you think tax cuts led to the collapse of the economy.


20 posted on 10/28/2013 1:33:46 PM PDT by GeronL
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