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Carney: Some People Can't Keep Same Health Plan Because It Doesn't Meet "Minimum Standards"
real clear politics ^ | 10/28/2013 | staff

Posted on 10/28/2013 3:29:50 PM PDT by tobyhill

HENRY: But the president said one thing and you are admitting that that's not going to be the case. That not everyone is going to keep their plan. That they will admiringly wind up with probably better insurance in the long run. So, they may be healthier, that should be said. But the president sold it as if you have a plan, you will get to keep it and that's not true.

CARNEY: Ed, I appreciate what you're trying to do. Eighty-plus percent of the American people already get insurance through their employer, through Medicare or through Medicaid. They don't have to worry about or change anythingThose remaining individuals who do not have insurance at all now will have it available to them through, or don't have insurance at all and get it through the individual market will now have it available to them through expanded Medicaid services in those states that have accepted the expanded Medicaid program, as well as through the health care marketplaces. And it is correct, I take your point, it is correct that substandard plans that don't provide minimum services that have a lot of fine print that leaves consumers in the lurch often because of annual caps, or lifetime caps, or carve outs for some preexisting conditions, those are no longer allowed because the Affordable Care Act is built on the premise that health care is not a privilege, it is a right and there should be a minimum standard of plans available to Americans around the country.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; obamacare; schnellfreedomraus; zerocare
OBAMA'S A LIAR AND DESERVES TO BE IMPEACHED!
1 posted on 10/28/2013 3:29:50 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

The problem isn’t “did the President ‘lie’”. The problem is he said that existing plans and medical relationships would be preserved, and made no effort to influence the law so this would be the case.

He could have tried to influence the legislation so pre-existing plans and medical relationships wouldn’t be disturbed. Instead, he let “standards be raised”, making existing contractual insurance illegal. That’s what people should be screaming about. He didn’t give a crap about what he’d promised.


2 posted on 10/28/2013 3:32:44 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: tobyhill

Obama said the minimum standard was if people liked their plan and wanted to keep it.


3 posted on 10/28/2013 3:32:48 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: tobyhill

...the Affordable Care Act is built on the premise that health care is not a privilege, it is a right...

Eat it dems, it’s all yours.


4 posted on 10/28/2013 3:33:33 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tobyhill

5 posted on 10/28/2013 3:33:43 PM PDT by McGruff (Mitch McConnell sold his soul for a Dam project.)
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To: tobyhill

Good luck with that. Impeachment won’t happen because the nobility in Washington doesn’t want to ruffle feathers.

Welcome to the banana republic.


6 posted on 10/28/2013 3:34:39 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: tobyhill
So it's not about a tax at all. It's about regulating the insurance business.

Same thing the government did with the homeowners and flood plain insurance. Their way or the highway.

7 posted on 10/28/2013 3:40:05 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tobyhill

Minimum standards means your premium is not four times what it costs under Obamacare.


8 posted on 10/28/2013 3:40:49 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: tobyhill

So... Obama should have said “If *I* like your plan you can keep it”


9 posted on 10/28/2013 3:41:35 PM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: tobyhill
They were fooled by the Navigators into thinking that they were heading to find medical help. Upon arrival at the Dr.'s office in Treblinka hospital, they were asked to remove their clothes to have a shower
10 posted on 10/28/2013 3:42:33 PM PDT by yoe ( Defund Obamacare now — or risk voter backlash in 2014)
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To: tobyhill

TRANSLATION: “You are not allowed to purchase catastrophic coverage because we need people with jobs and assets to pay through the nose to pay for the freeloaders/Democrat voters.”


11 posted on 10/28/2013 3:43:33 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

In his national radio address last Saturday 0bama repeated his lie “if you like your plan you can keep your plan blah blah blah.” More than a million people have received cancellation letters and he is still telling the same lie.


12 posted on 10/28/2013 3:44:38 PM PDT by forgotten man
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To: tobyhill
This is wonderful! Seriously. Nothing else could have been done to awaken the American people to the deceit and outright takeover of their lives than this insurance mess. Problem is, it's too late. They have accomplished it and there's no way in hell they're going to let go after getting this far. Shut up and get used to it.
13 posted on 10/28/2013 3:47:06 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: forgotten man

some people??

40-67% by their own estimates

Everything they ever said about ObamaCare was a lie


14 posted on 10/28/2013 3:47:08 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SkyDancer

When an individual buys health insurance they should not have to pay for childbirth, birth control, mental health, etc. if they have no use for it. But those are some of the minimum standards.


15 posted on 10/28/2013 3:48:16 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: tobyhill
I appreciate what you're trying to do. Eighty-plus percent of the American people already get insurance through their employer, through Medicare or through Medicaid. They don't have to worry about or change anything

Horse crap...

I work for 10 billion company that employs 10,000 plus people...

My health care plans certainly changed...all because of Obama care..

1. I will be paying a $500.00 annual spouse surcharge since my wife works for a company that offers healthcare plans but she is on mine because it is far superior

2. Our plans now covers far more people than it did before, pretty much any sexual arrangement or family situation non-blood non-family members are covered as long as they are in your household...

Way more people are being covered by the plane so it freaking costs more...

To retain the same coverage my deductibles doubles...

16 posted on 10/28/2013 3:51:46 PM PDT by Popman
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To: tobyhill

Some SpokesB0z0s don’t meet minimum standards either.


17 posted on 10/28/2013 3:53:43 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: All

what’s going to happen when the employer mandate extension is over? How many more people are going to be put on the state roles?


18 posted on 10/28/2013 3:57:10 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: newnhdad

A bunch.


19 posted on 10/28/2013 3:58:56 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Gawd, I friggin’ HATE these people!!!!!!

Who are THEY to decide what is “substandard” for me or my family?!?!? Millions upon millions of us have gotten along fine choosing OUR OWN PLANS. Just butt the hell out of our lives!!!!!!!


20 posted on 10/28/2013 3:59:57 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: tobyhill
...the Affordable Care Act is built on the premise that health care is not a privilege, it is a right and there should be a minimum standard of plans available to Americans around the country.

Well hell, if it is a "right," then why is there only a "minimum standard?" I mean we don't have a "minimum standard" of a religion that we MUST adhere to! There is no "minimum standard" on the type of weapon that we MUST have in order to bare arms!

This bullshit healthcare "right" is the only "right" which the government gets to determine the minimum of which we have a "right" to be forced to buy and exercise!!

Exactly how much of a "right" can it be if we are FORCED to exercise it and we are FORCED to buy a minimum of that "right"!!!
21 posted on 10/28/2013 4:00:46 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: tobyhill
Yes, indeed, the "minimum standard," or "inherent vice," of socialist dogma and the policies it demands is, as Churchill so aptly put it in the following statement:

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill, House of Commons, October 22, 1945.

Or:

". . . there can be no doubt that Socialism is inseparably interwoven with Totalitarianism and the abject worship of the State. It is not alone that property, in all its forms, is struck at, but that liberty, in all its forms, is challenged by the fundamental conceptions of Socialism." - Winston Churchill, B.B.C radio address, June 4, 1945.

Churchill's words of the 1940's are being revealed to be as valid in 2013 as they were when he uttered them.

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston Churchill, Perth, May 28, 1948.

Translation for today: Your liberty to choose your doctor, your plan, the features you wish your plan to cover and not to cover, are being denied under the "fundamental" change which is being imposed by imperfect men and women in positions of power in a government structure whose very Constitution denies them the right to such coercive power!

22 posted on 10/28/2013 4:04:21 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: tobyhill

One of the steps to be minimally eligible is that the policy must have had the following text at the bottom of the last page upside down in invisible ink and 0.05 font size no later than obama’s first inauguration day. Didn’t have it? You lose.


23 posted on 10/28/2013 4:13:36 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (-)
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To: Paladin2

Some SpokesB0z0s don’t meet minimum standards either.
Exactly! How does this bozo Carney have face to show? Well look at him a total loss human? And the spin train...
CARNEY: Ed, I appreciate what you’re trying to do.
Makes me sick.


24 posted on 10/28/2013 4:18:27 PM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Yes the Standards were raised—AND SO WAS THE FRIGGING PRICE.

Raised so high many bust their balls trying to pay it.
That is disposable income for some.
Disposable Income that will not be spent at business’s
Disposable Income that will not take you on vacation.
Disposable Income that will not get you in the movies or buy you that new car or boat.

To others it is not disposable income. It was for heat in their homes that will now get cold, for food in their bellies that will not be filled, for gas in their cars so they could go to work.

Yes it is making us all have a more equal income.
A piss poor one.


25 posted on 10/28/2013 4:25:21 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: tobyhill
OBAMA'S A LIAR AND DESERVES TO BE IMPEACHED!


26 posted on 10/28/2013 4:27:41 PM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: tobyhill
minimum for WHO... you FPOS you!!!
27 posted on 10/28/2013 4:32:44 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

A lot of folks seem upset by what is happening. To those LIBs/DIMs who are effected: BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


28 posted on 10/28/2013 4:38:06 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen
100%...
29 posted on 10/28/2013 4:39:08 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: McGruff

“And if you like your doctor, uh, here’s your tough s*** slip. Sorry!”
DHS


30 posted on 10/28/2013 4:42:18 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: tobyhill
I hate liars. We have a one party system now. I hate liars, one and all.

FMCDH(BITS)

31 posted on 10/28/2013 4:42:55 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yup...and bumped for later.


32 posted on 10/28/2013 4:54:37 PM PDT by two23 (My Dad said they were all commies back in the 60's. He was right.)
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To: tobyhill
Now where did we put that guillotine
33 posted on 10/28/2013 4:59:46 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Actions speak louder than Obama’s empty words. Installed incentives with-in the program are creating the predictable reality of ObamaCare...


34 posted on 10/28/2013 5:15:07 PM PDT by GOPJ ( We've grown to trust MSM hatred. When the MSM hates one of us it's an endorsement.)
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To: fatnotlazy

I think that impeachment of a “man of color” is a hot potato.

Obama does NOT meet my minimum standards


35 posted on 10/28/2013 5:25:37 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: tobyhill
"Minimum Standards," include pre-natal care for males and seventy-five year old women; abortions on demand, for men; sex change surgery benefits; AIDS treatment and drugs for all.

You are beginning to get the idea why "minimum standards" are so.........cheap?

36 posted on 10/28/2013 5:33:49 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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37 posted on 10/28/2013 5:36:51 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: tobyhill

Barry doesn’t meet minimum standards either. Lets dump him.


38 posted on 10/28/2013 6:36:47 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: tobyhill
Eighty-plus percent of the American people already get insurance through their employer,

Yep, that's true. Once the individual mandate is through and the business mandate becomes a reality, then the big shoe drops as all those large companies that offer Cadillac plans (like government insurance) will wind up paying a penalty for providing a good plan. Few companies will do that and millions will be thrown into the exchange markets to buy crappy insurance for more money. My company that employs 6 thousand has already said this is a strong possibility.

39 posted on 10/28/2013 6:44:56 PM PDT by Fzob (Jesus + anything = nothing, Jesus + nothing = everything)
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To: tobyhill
CARNEY: Ed, I appreciate what you're trying to do. Eighty-plus percent of the American people already get insurance through their employer, through Medicare or through Medicaid. They don't have to worry about or change anything

This is a DAMN' LIE and Carney knows it!

Any employer who's health insurance plan is renewing in 2014 ALREADY KNOWS this is a lie! "Obamcare" sets MINIMUM STANDARDS for Employers also. Any Employer who offers healthcare insurance has to make sure their policies MEET "MINIMUM" STANDARDS (according to Obama!) once those policies renew.

That means those who's policies must be renewed in 2014 WILL SEE PRICE INCREASES!

Those who do NOT renew in 2014 will see those increases when their policies renew!

Further, Employers who SELF INSURE and have STOP GAP Insurance to cover catastrophic health care costs (such as my employer does) are firmly in Obamacare's BULLSEYE as those employers who self-insure aren't required to follow Obamacare mandates.

Obama and the Democrats are working to "fix this loophole" to make sure NO EMPLOYER can SELF INSURE in the future.

The SOCIALIST/MARXISST BASTARDS are at the gates folks! They're coming to dramatically drive up your health care insurance costs no matter who you are, or how you obtain health care insurance. This is COMMUNIST CENTRAL PLANNING AT ITS WORST!

40 posted on 10/28/2013 6:45:59 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: tobyhill
OBAMA'S A LIAR AND DESERVES TO BE IMPEACHED!

No, actually Vacation Guy is a symptom of the larger irreversible problem of Universal Suffrage which allows all manner of imbeciles to cast votes.

Short of a coup d’état, the fall of this Republic is inevitable.

Reality sucks.

41 posted on 10/28/2013 6:54:13 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Why does a 60 year need maternity care ? The list could go on and on.


42 posted on 10/28/2013 7:15:29 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: tobyhill
But the president sold it as if you have a plan, you will get to keep it and that's not true...well, but what the president didn't bother to say - because he thinks everyone already knows it - is that the government in its profound wisdom knows much better than all you common little people what's best for you and will therefore require you to do as it says for your own good - we're just here to help you, so all is well....
43 posted on 10/28/2013 9:10:03 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: tobyhill

It’s just going to get worse if no heads roll in 2014.

Politicians don’t give a shit unless their job is on the line.


44 posted on 10/29/2013 3:45:08 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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