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Carney on cancellations: Insurers “basically threw you off that plan,” you know, not ObamaCare
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Posted on 10/29/2013 6:04:30 PM PDT by chessplayer

Gone is yesterday’s equivocating defense on the millions of distributed insurance cancellations currently shattering the great ObamaCare myth that was “If you like your plan, you can keep it.” After Valerie Jarrett‘s… er… “creative” contribution to the discussion last night, Carney was much more prepared for the question at today’s White House briefing with a more shrewdly crafted offensive strategy — because as we’re all well aware by now, unintentional concessions (don’t even think about apologies, not gonna’ happen) rarely last long in this administration before giving way to well-rehearsed, righteously indignant spin-doctoring. (Be sure to check out Sebelius’s planned testimony for the House committee investigating the ObamaCare website’s ample failures this week for more delightful developments on that front.)

Today, even the White House agrees that the issue “deserves fuller explanation,” and the nutshell version of that explanation amounts to this: Basically, this entire mess is insurance companies’ fault because of the regular turnover in the individual insurance market, and for ever having dared to offer the less-than-fully comprehensive plans envisioned by ObamaCare or ever having limited their acceptance of pre-existing conditions in that market.


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1 posted on 10/29/2013 6:04:30 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Excuse me but my (expletive deleted) head just exploded.

I love how the press whores just matter of fact report the Regime’s latest lies.


2 posted on 10/29/2013 6:06:45 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: chessplayer

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF00/20131030/101446/HHRG-113-IF00-Wstate-SebeliusK-20131030.pdf

As you said do not miss Sebelius’ prepared escuse statements, . . .


3 posted on 10/29/2013 6:07:40 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (wE)
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To: chessplayer

Insurers “basically threw you off that plan,” because ObamaCare said you can’t sell that without ,this ,this , that and some of the other , D’oh


4 posted on 10/29/2013 6:09:55 PM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: chessplayer

Get some insurance CEOs and CFOs in there to explain to Sebilius how the private sector works.


5 posted on 10/29/2013 6:10:19 PM PDT by struggle
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To: chessplayer

America 2013: He who lies the most wins. Sad, but true.


6 posted on 10/29/2013 6:10:22 PM PDT by KevinB (A country that would elect Barack Obama president twice is no longer worth fighting for.)
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To: chessplayer

Baghdad Bob is Honest Abe compared to Carney or anyone from this administration.


7 posted on 10/29/2013 6:10:33 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: chessplayer

8 posted on 10/29/2013 6:13:15 PM PDT by Route395
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To: blackdog

9 posted on 10/29/2013 6:14:17 PM PDT by Route395
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To: AMDG&BVMH

Americans are in one helluva mess.

these people being tossed off their policies will not hav insurance.

Instead of giving insurance to 37 million people Obamacare is taking insurance away from an additional 13 million people, and democrats sit there and watch this crap/


10 posted on 10/29/2013 6:16:40 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: chessplayer
"After Valerie Jarrett‘s… er… “creative” contribution to the discussion last night, Carney was much more prepared for the question at today’s White House briefing
with a more shrewdly crafted offensive strategy — because as we’re all well aware by now,
unintentional concessions (don’t even think about apologies, not gonna’ happen) rarely last long in this administration
before giving way to well-rehearsed, righteously indignant spin-doctoring. "

This was not an unintended consequence !!
This was plannned , ordained , and consecrated to " The ONE " !!
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ... Bwahahahahaha!!!

11 posted on 10/29/2013 6:16:57 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Route395
Please God,

Saturday Night Live script writers "ping"!

Thank You so much Route395!

12 posted on 10/29/2013 6:18:34 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: chessplayer

Saw this one coming..what I have been saying from the beginning..this was the plan from day 1..blame the insurance companies..insurance companies = bad..therefore need single payer system..so no more insurance companies will exist..a 5 year old could see that this was the Dems ultimate plan


13 posted on 10/29/2013 6:20:29 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: chessplayer
The ObamaCare lie that was “If you like your plan, you can keep it.”

Wait until people start having their loved ones die from this government sponsored lying evil corruption.

14 posted on 10/29/2013 6:21:25 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

How many pension plans are invested in insurance companies?


15 posted on 10/29/2013 6:22:53 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: chessplayer

This is exactly what Rush predicted would happen, except he thought the public would be stupid enough to believe it without being pushed by the DNC/media complex.


16 posted on 10/29/2013 6:23:40 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: chessplayer

No profanity adequate for this scumbag.


17 posted on 10/29/2013 6:24:24 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Venturer

Instead of giving insurance to 37 million people Obamacare is taking insurance away from an additional 13 million people, and democrats sit there and watch this crap/


Not only watching,,,but applauding.


18 posted on 10/29/2013 6:25:24 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer
FOX just covered this...right after Obamacare passed Sebelius put rules and roadblocks to stipulate what qualifies as “grandfathered “ -essentially a large percentage don't qualify based on her rules ( paraphrase)

Con to force a one party system

19 posted on 10/29/2013 6:26:31 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Venturer

“democrats sit there and watch this crap”

and everyone else, too

where is the Inspector General? etc.

Pull the Plug on this monstrosity. I’m sure there are dozens of Statutes being violated daily, not the least all those about contracting . . .

That is what needs to be stated at the hearing tomorrow. Trying as we speak to find out how to contact the Chair Upton and vice-chair, but their emails allow only constituents. Will have to go to the phones in the morning.

http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/ppaca-implementation-failures-answers-hhs


20 posted on 10/29/2013 6:26:42 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (wE)
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To: chessplayer

Still, no one is getting ahead of this point. I would like to hear just how it’s obamacare’s fault that the insurance co s are hiking rates


21 posted on 10/29/2013 6:26:47 PM PDT by stanne
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To: FormerACLUmember

Goebbels has nothing on this bunch.


22 posted on 10/29/2013 6:28:26 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: chessplayer

One has to wonder if Carney has any capacity for shame. Is there a medical condition that render a human incapable of feeling shame?


23 posted on 10/29/2013 6:29:18 PM PDT by Fzob (Jesus + anything = nothing, Jesus + nothing = everything)
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To: chessplayer

this is totalpassing the buck.

insurers have to end plans that don’t meet obamacare standards. everyone knew’this.

white house wants to blame insurance, insurance wants to blame obama.

ultimately b/c obamacare mandates this action the insurers have no choice to comply, so it’s obama’s fault.


24 posted on 10/29/2013 6:29:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Excuse me but my (expletive deleted) head just exploded.

I love how the press whores just matter of fact report the Regime’s latest lies.


And at least half the country will believe Carney. bam-bam wins again. NOTHING sticks to him. And he totally owns the media, because they are already starting to fall back into line.


25 posted on 10/29/2013 6:29:37 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

0bama is a pathological liar, and surrounds himself with the same. Carney reminds me of Baghdad Bob.


26 posted on 10/29/2013 6:30:12 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: opentalk
right after Obamacare passed Sebelius put rules and roadblocks to stipulate what qualifies as “grandfathered

Somebody forgot to tell the communists to boil the water slow.

The idiots that voted for them be jumping out of the pot.

27 posted on 10/29/2013 6:31:27 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: chessplayer
They added multiple rules after Obamacare passed regarding grandfather clause to make sure a large percentage wouldn't qualify....goal to usher in a one payer system in a deceptive, progressive manner
28 posted on 10/29/2013 6:31:53 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: chessplayer; a fool in paradise

By the time 2014 election season arrives, they and their MSM parrots will polish their message and everyone in the country will be blaming the greedy insurance companies and, do I even have to say it, the Wall Street.


29 posted on 10/29/2013 6:32:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: AMDG&BVMH

where is the Inspector General? etc.


Licking bammy’s butt.


30 posted on 10/29/2013 6:32:35 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: reformedliberal

The dishonesty is amazing


31 posted on 10/29/2013 6:33:01 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Fzob

One has to wonder if Carney has any capacity for shame. Is there a medical condition that render a human incapable of feeling shame?


Money, fame, and the spotlight will render people incapable of feeling shame. Don’t know if thats a medical condition, though. Maybe a psychological one.


32 posted on 10/29/2013 6:37:17 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: GeronL
The dishonesty is amazing

Dishonesty is the hallmark of this administration.

They lie incessantly. All of them. About anything and everything.

In my 70+ years, I've never seen anything quite like it.

33 posted on 10/29/2013 6:37:23 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: chessplayer

Shame, SHAME on him! or her! and why isn’t the IG’s name phone and email readily available for complaint? OK a task for tomorrow, along with the committee hearings on seb-u-looser.


34 posted on 10/29/2013 6:39:30 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (wE)
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To: GeronL

I am amazed at the civility of the many people who got sideblinded and go on interviews to say they got cancelled by their insurance company. They look like “Golly gee, Wally, I really hate this news. It would be nice if Obama backs his word.” We all need to get the word out that Obama knew in 2010 they would not be able to keep their insurance. Hit every newspaper and news outlet with the proof. They are going to blame insurance companies because the left believes they are greedy and love to scam people.


35 posted on 10/29/2013 6:39:52 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: chessplayer
And at least half the country will believe Carney. bam-bam wins again. NOTHING sticks to him. And he totally owns the media, because they are already starting to fall back into line.

No, even the USSR fell , and it was because even the apparatchiks realized that communism sucks.

Vacation Guy in the White Hut, who is about as American as his communist muslim Father and Brothers, as well as his fellow bright RED travelers, have made the classic Banana Republic mistake of radically changing the social norm and hurting the demented parasites that vote for them in the process.

Their best hope for salvation is that the scumbags running the RNC bail them out, but the Country Clubbers are heading for the tall grass.

36 posted on 10/29/2013 6:40:31 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: okie01

and the media allows them to get away with it


37 posted on 10/29/2013 6:43:38 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: sheikdetailfeather

Yep, these insurance companies are just following the law.

More money, less coverage


38 posted on 10/29/2013 6:44:30 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Venturer

“to do good and to do no harm”

Maybe they should have consulted with some doctors.
If these people were male prostitutes, foreplay would be:
“Brace yourself! Here I come.”


39 posted on 10/29/2013 6:45:11 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Valerie Jarrett is a COMMUNIST from a family of COMMUNISTS

The Communist Party USA continues to back their “friend” Barack Obama.

How deeply has the Communist Party been involved in advancing Obama’s political career-through the Jarrett family, or by other means?

The answers to these questions will have major implications for the future of what’s left of the free world

It is now well established that Barack Obama was linked to the Hawaiian Communist Party network through his boyhood/teenage mentor Frank Marshall Davis.

It is also well known that after moving to Chicago, Obama linked up with the local communist networks.

Manning Marable, a leader of the Communist Party offshoot Committees of Correspondence for Democracy&Socialism claims that Obama “understands what socialism is. A lot of the people working with him are, indeed, socialists with backgrounds in the Communist Party or as independent Marxists. There are a lot of people like that in Chicago who have worked with him for years...”

This leads to two key questions.

A Were the Hawaii and Chicago networks connected?

B Did Obama’s connection to Frank Marshall Davis in any way influence his progress up the Chicago political ladder?

If the answer is yes to both, there are significant implications.

Valerie Jarett is a COMMUNIST

Dee Myles is a Chicago activist and chair of the Education Commission of the Communist Party USA. In 2004, after Vernon Jarret’s death from cancer she penned this tribute for the People’s Weekly World of June 5th.

Readers like me can be extremely selective of the journalists we read habitually... We are selective about the journalists to whom we become insatiably addicted, and once hooked we develop a constructive love affair without the romance...

Such was my experience with Vernon Jarrett, an African American journalist in Chicago who died at the age of 86 on May 23. I became a Vernon Jarrett addict, and I am proud of it!

Vernon Jarrett’s career as a journalist in Chicago began and ended at the Chicago Defender, the African American daily paper. In between, he was the first Black journalist at the Chicago Tribune, and I first began to read his articles during his tenure at the Chicago Sun-Times

Jarrett’s claim to fame is that he was a partisan of the cause of African Americans in the broad democratic tradition of Paul Robeson and W.E.B. DuBois...

Robeson and DuBois were both Communist Party members. On April 9th, 1998 at Chicago’s South Shore Cultural Center, Jarrett hosted a Paul Robeson Citywide Centennial Celebration event, with his old comrade and Party sympathiser Margaret Burroughs and former Communist Party members Studs Terkel and his old friend Oscar C.Brown.

Dee Myles continues;

Jarrett was fanatical about African Americans registering and voting in mass for socially conscious candidates. He championed Harold Washington like a great warrior, and this March, from his hospital bed, wrote an article appealing to Black Chicago to turn out to vote for Barack Obama in the Illinois primaries. Obama astounded everyone with an incredible landslide victory as the progressive, Black candidate for the Democratic Party nomination for the U.S. Senate seat from Illinois. From his sickbed, Vernon Jarrett issued a clarion call, and the people responded.

The Jarrett/Obama conection did not end with Vernon Jarrett’s death-it moved to a higher level with his famous daughter-in-law Valerie Jarrett.

A former Deputy Corporation Counsel for Finance and Development under Harold Washington, Jarrett continued to work in the mayor’s office into the 1990s.

In 1991, while Deputy Chief of Staff for Mayor Richard Daley, Jarrett hired Michelle Robinson, then engaged to Barack Obama.

Later Valerie Jarrett ran the finances for Obama’s 2004 Senate bid and served as treasurer of Obama’s HOPEFUND.

The relationship is more than professional-Jarrett is regarded as one of the Obamas’ closest friends and advisors.

According to Take Political Action May 24th 2008;

“She’s always been the other side of Barack’s brain.” That’s how an Obama insider described Valerie Jarrett as an Obama campaign aide announced Thursday night the former CTA chief and current Habitat Co. CEO is taking on a larger role to help her close friend win his White House bid.

The development comes as Jarrett, a charter member of Sen. Barack Obama’s kitchen cabinet, has been formalizing her portfolio and stepping up the pace within the past few weeks as a top advisor within the campaign.

Though she will be part-time, Jarrett will be one of the most visible and powerful African-Americans in the top rungs of the Obama operation...

Today Valerie Jarrett serves as one of three Senior Advisors to President Obama. She is Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Engagement, and Chairs the White House Commission on Women and Girls.

Would there be an Obama/Jarrett relationship today, if there had been no Frank Marshall Davis/Jarrett connection through the Communist Party of post war Chicago?


40 posted on 10/29/2013 6:46:30 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Secret Agent Man

No, everyone does not know that insurers have to comply

This point needs to get put way out front

Insurance is NOT everyone’s best friend. Third party payer started this mess but many decades ago driving up cost promoting a sick care system and not a health care system.

People will be happy to despise them, way to their own detriment, not realizing obamacare is a very destructive controlling system just put in taking advantage of a bad system

The point about insurance companies Fox News people were just shaking their heads about

When will anyone start informing people about all of this?

No, everyone is not putting this together anymore than they are not seeing that Hillary got canned for flopping at state like she flops at everything but shell be a great presidential candidate


41 posted on 10/29/2013 6:46:55 PM PDT by stanne
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To: chessplayer

I hope the big shots at Blue Cross and others are listening to Obama throw them under the bus. Serves them right for not fighting against something so dumb in concept. It would be helpful if they started talking, and letting everyone know exactly how few people are enrolling and how impossible this whole thing is to keep alive. Every day they wait to overhaul the entire thing costs everyone a lot of money.


42 posted on 10/29/2013 6:53:10 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Yup. Dead on right!


43 posted on 10/29/2013 6:55:33 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: stanne
stanne:" Still, no one is getting ahead of this point.
I would like to hear just how it’s obamacare’s fault that the insurance co s are hiking rates. "

By including , and then mandating , by law ,coverage of non-essential medical services , and increasing the "donut-hole" expenses, the price of insurance increased .
Previously , all insurance was based upon state regulations , and you couldn't go outside your state for a lower fee.
An incidental issue is that individual states required TRAINING and LICENSEING of health insurance sales personell, bonding and CERTIFICATION of competancy ,
OBummerCare requires you attend a 20 hour online video training , with NO TEST for COMPETANCY , nor is a background check done ..
Now the Fed , overstepping state boundaries , DEMANDS insurance coverage of medical issues which will increase the price of local coverage.
I am male , don't need a PAP smear , mammogram ,nor birth control or abortion coverage , nor a pelvic exam , and have no pre-existing condition other than
freaking Conservative OUTRAGE as to how the expenses of this Obomination insurance adds needlessly to my expenses and is a TAX .
This TAX , prior to government demand and control, rose at the rate of 9 % per year ; now , due to governemnt demanded coverage , I can expect a 300 % increase within one year...
and that is just in the FIRST year of inception (!!) .
The FED may not have to define and submit a budget in four years ,.. but I have to budget my income, unlike the FED , and live within my means !

44 posted on 10/29/2013 6:57:59 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: chessplayer
Look, the concept is to force us into Single Payer (read: Government Owned) health care.

But there is a problem.

The Democrats gave us this fustercluck.

WHO THE HELL -- EVEN AMONG LIBERALS -- WOULD TRUST THE DEMOCRATS TO ENACT AN EVEN *BIGGER* SYSTEM??!??!?

45 posted on 10/29/2013 6:59:56 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Sarah, see the above.


46 posted on 10/29/2013 7:00:28 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Fzob

“Liberalism” is the name of the mental illness.


47 posted on 10/29/2013 7:00:41 PM PDT by paint_your_wagon
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To: chessplayer

The ACA LAW makes insurers cancel peoples pre-existing plan and policies— because they do not require coverage for maternity, contraception and a raft of other items most people do not want or need, nor should they have to pay for others to get them.

This is quite a mouthful for Carney to deliver. The companies, in order to follow a DEMOCRAT/obamaumao written law, HAVE to cancel peoples policies, offer them the mandatory alternative which costs much much more. Obamaomao lied.


48 posted on 10/29/2013 7:03:47 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: chessplayer

The FIRST thing that Obama says in a speech is ALWAYS a Lie.

The SECOND thing that Obama says in a speech is to accuse a Republican of thinking some evil thing that Obama has already done.

(Source: The Second Edition of the Marxist Obamanation Administration Dictionary).


49 posted on 10/29/2013 7:08:30 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: chessplayer

Blaming the insurance companies for this is like promising to lower the unemployment rate and then blaming employers when it rises.

Barak the Blamer is never at fault.


50 posted on 10/29/2013 7:10:51 PM PDT by djpg
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