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Obamacare A Mess? Liberals Say Go Single Payer.
Forbes ^ | 10/28/13

Posted on 10/29/2013 11:44:52 PM PDT by Kimberly GG

....."The Left is champing at the bit to go single payer, even before Obama Care has begun. The employer mandate has been delayed and thousands of exemptions have been granted. Of the major provisions, only the individual mandate and fines remain, and even they may be delayed. But the liberals say: Let’s change the venue and the rules before the game even starts."....

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commanderindeceit; obama; obamacare; obamacarelies; obamagovernsbydeceit; obamalies; singlepayer
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DON'T BE FOOLED ... OBAMACARE WAS DESIGNED TO FAIL. SINGLE PAYER IS WHAT THEY WANTED ALL ALONG.
1 posted on 10/29/2013 11:44:52 PM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: Kimberly GG

Nothing matter about why - it is about who and that is the stupid folks that continue to vote Democrat!


2 posted on 10/29/2013 11:48:47 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: Kimberly GG

...and just wait until they give us amnesty and all the illegals get it free.


3 posted on 10/29/2013 11:49:03 PM PDT by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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To: Kimberly GG

Right....nothing like a Government monopoly to create heaven on earth.

Eliminate any competition and create a true single payer ala MediCal program and the USSA joins the short list of other Countries with a single payer system.

A very short list...North Korea.

As the saying goes, “Liberalism is a mental disease..”


4 posted on 10/29/2013 11:50:00 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: gattaca

This is one heck of a Democrat voter recruitment program gaining 15 MILLION DEMOCRAT VOTERS and counting as they flood in, and the RINOs are eager to help commit suicide for the Republican party.


5 posted on 10/29/2013 11:50:57 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

With no jobs being created and more people on the dole, it doesn’t sound good.


6 posted on 10/29/2013 11:53:23 PM PDT by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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Let the asshats fund their own program.


7 posted on 10/29/2013 11:53:32 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

And then there’s the voter suppression aspect, what with all the “day workers” loitering around at the polls.


8 posted on 10/29/2013 11:55:42 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Kimberly GG

It appears that over 80% of those that actually sign up for “Obamacare” coverage are going on Medicaid, so in essence it already is a Single Payer plan.

Medicaid is just Medicare for people under 65.


9 posted on 10/29/2013 11:59:31 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Good news, Federal Funding for my Tagline has been restored. Crisis averted.)
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To: Kimberly GG
SINGLE PAYER IS WHAT THEY WANTED ALL ALONG.

So sorry. Just as happened when Hillarycare went down in flames, Obamacare is going to crash, and Americans won't even HEAR of "health care" for 20 years or so. Only a COMPLETE idiot would try to double-down with "single payer" right now.

10 posted on 10/30/2013 12:01:32 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: JennysCool

Anyone that is a libturd at this point IS a complete idiot. Don’t be fooled by idiots.


11 posted on 10/30/2013 12:03:55 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Kimberly GG

No support for that from either side. But they should keep shouting and talking about doing it for our benifit.


12 posted on 10/30/2013 12:06:45 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: wastoute

They’ll shut up till they get full control of Congress—even deny they want single payer— once they control everything, here it comes!!!!


13 posted on 10/30/2013 12:07:50 AM PDT by RightLady
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To: JennysCool

“Only a COMPLETE idiot would try to double-down with “single payer” right now.”
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Considering Obumbo’s reelection, COMPLETE idiots make up the majority now. The illegals being made legal will be the final straw, and the US will truly be the USSA.


14 posted on 10/30/2013 12:07:51 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Kimberly GG
Article link is botched. Try this.
15 posted on 10/30/2013 12:11:40 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Kimberly GG

Yup, I agree 100%.


16 posted on 10/30/2013 12:12:20 AM PDT by DemforBush (Of all the Thompson gunners, Roland was the best.)
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To: JennysCool

Then there are a LOT of IDIOTS out there EXPECTING A DOUBLE-DOWN. I have family members who are high ranking union and reps for the democrats who’ve been saying and counting on this all along!

“Throw out Obamacare? Yes, and give us a single-payer system.”

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-obamacare-single-payer-system-instead-20131029,0,2845374.story?track=rss#axzz2jBe4biP1


17 posted on 10/30/2013 12:12:49 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Kimberly GG

This is exactly what Senator Ted Cruz was talking about when he stayed up all night. Obamacare was a planned train wreck design to push the nation to a single payer system. As far as they are concerned, Obamacare worked exactly as it was intended.


18 posted on 10/30/2013 12:12:54 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: wastoute

The NYT opined just the other day that we should all just go ahead and jump into single-payer. The drumbeat has already started.

It’s all-important now to get the message out that going back to the old system is a much-preferable solution, and that full government control is not better than partial government control.


19 posted on 10/30/2013 12:14:10 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: JennysCool

“Obamacare is going to crash”

Yes, yes it is. Going to be epic fail.

Already is, but will get far worse.


20 posted on 10/30/2013 12:15:11 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: cynwoody

TYVM, I’ve asked the Admin to fix it.


21 posted on 10/30/2013 12:18:07 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: JennysCool

they are creating the crisis so that they can then force thru a ‘solution’ they could never under normal conditions, ever hope to implement.


22 posted on 10/30/2013 12:20:25 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: jonrick46

Exactly! Trust me...they believe they’re going to have the last laugh about this...MANY of them already are! They LOVE seeing us throw hissy fits about this, because they know where it’s leading.

Of COURSE they never read the bill...they didn’t need to. OF COURSE they gave billions to their friends to build a FAILED system ... they didn’t need a system that worked. Of COURSE they lied about ALL OF IT.

My thoughts though....would run of the mill democrats be supportive of a BUSHCARE or a SINGLE PAYER system under BUSH or any other Republican...Palincare, Cruzcare? NO!!

The ONLY reason they are okay with this is because they BELIEVE the POTUS will remain a DEMOCRAT. Whether it be Obama again, or Hillary, or some other socialist puppet ... they’re going to get their AMNESTY in order to do it and WE ARE ALL SCREWED.


23 posted on 10/30/2013 12:29:51 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Kimberly GG
  If Obamacare was just an elaborate scam to lead us to a single payer (socialist) system, then is single payer just a scam to deliver really serious population control.
24 posted on 10/30/2013 12:31:11 AM PDT by Maurice Tift (Never wear anything that panics the cat. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: AlexW

Completely disagree. Even the mainstream media is now reporting the ACA’s complete ineptitude. After this, the cry isn’t going to be for single-payer, it’s going to be for the government to keep its hands off health care completely.

They chose, badly.


25 posted on 10/30/2013 12:33:38 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Kimberly GG
I saw a poll on FOX News tonight of doctors in New York State. Asked if they'd participate in ObamaCare 44 percent said No, 23 percent said Yes and 33 percent said Probably Not. This is in a Blue state. Doctors would revolt against single payer. Hundreds of thousands of workers in health insurance and associated industries would be laid off. Some hospitals would shut down while others shed workers.

A move to single payer insurance would have to pass through Congress and would probably be tested before the Supreme Court.

26 posted on 10/30/2013 12:38:36 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: cynwoody; Kimberly GG

Thank you Cynwoody for providing a working link for Kimberlygg for the article she posted from Forbes.

KimberlyGG, please do not use a search link in place of a direct link. Also do not use any link with embedded redirect code, where the link appears as a link to one site, but instead then re-directs anyone who happens to click the link.

The link which you used

http://72.30.186.176/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=Obama+single+payer&fr=yfp-t-901&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=Obama+single+payer&d=27025813955610381&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=zOmc7ANigu_1YXtdYmS46-O1h0DCaiJA&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=meVxJxcNoU23g2XWFnwyOg-

resulted in re-directing anyone who clicked on the link to a strange search page located on Yahoo.

Earlier tonight, you also posted a similar search link which redirected to another strange search page:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3085297/posts?page=32#32

If you wish to post published material from another site, only use a direct working link which goes to the article on the original site of publication.

Thank you.


27 posted on 10/30/2013 12:47:16 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Maurice Tift

I think research of what is contained in Obamacare would already show that to be their agenda.

Hasn’t Obama surrounded himself with people who’ve already written about population control?


28 posted on 10/30/2013 12:50:22 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you. I apologize...both links were meant to direct to the same article and I didn’t realize they weren’t doing so. I will be more careful.


29 posted on 10/30/2013 12:52:05 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Kimberly GG

Why would anyone want the same incompetents who cannot even operate a web site to be in charge of your individual health care?


30 posted on 10/30/2013 12:59:50 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Kimberly GG

Okay. Thanks.


31 posted on 10/30/2013 1:00:01 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Kimberly GG

lets stop giving in to their corruption of the language

SINGLE PAYER = GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE


32 posted on 10/30/2013 1:04:44 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: OldArmy52

” “Liberalism is a mental disease..”

Liberalism gives psychotics an identity.


33 posted on 10/30/2013 1:05:10 AM PDT by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: Kimberly GG

“DON’T BE FOOLED ... OBAMACARE WAS DESIGNED TO FAIL. SINGLE PAYER IS WHAT THEY WANTED ALL ALONG.”

Exactly. This plan is working PERFECTLY. It is crashing private healthcare insurance industry and that was its only goal.


34 posted on 10/30/2013 1:15:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Kimberly GG

Well repeal the bad law, you don’t double down on stupid.


35 posted on 10/30/2013 1:16:06 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I agree. But I think TOTAL CONTROL is more important to progressives than quality of care or shortages of doctors/hospitals. We have examples of how bad the systems in England and Canada are. They don’t care.

“I’m all for a single payer system eventually. I think that (what) we have to do is work with what we’ve got until we close the gap.”
SEBELIUS, 2007

“I think that the idea of moving towards a single payer system could very well make sense.”
OBAMA, 2009

“What we’re trying to do is insure everybody, right? We’re trying to insure more people, not less and so it’s my feeling that the rising costs that are going on will not be solved by getting rid of people’s health insurance—that throws them into emergency rooms and charity and other things. That’s why HR 676 [SINGLE PAYER] is our ultimate solution—is that everybody’s insured from birth on and that’s what we’re still fighting for.”

“Do you see a single-payer health care system ultimately in the United States?”...”Universal health care—well, every industrial country on the planet already has a universal system of health care.” When asked if he thinks President Obama’s health-care law will lead to a single-payer health-care system in the U.S., he said: “Well it’s a platform. I don’t think they flow smoothly but without that, if we didn’t have this then health care, universal health care would be an even more difficult legislative objective.”
JOHN CONYERS, 2011

“What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever.”

When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”
HARRY REID 2013


36 posted on 10/30/2013 1:18:33 AM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Kimberly GG

This time it’s different. America can make socialism work perfectly. /s


37 posted on 10/30/2013 1:21:26 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Mr. K

I have said this for a long time now. We can’t continue to use the definitions of the enemy and expect to win a majority. It is even more accurately called “government monopolized health control”. It really has nothing to do with healthcare.

Another example is the word “capitalism” which is a Marxist definition. In reality the free market is not just another “-ism”, but the opposite. It is freedom.


38 posted on 10/30/2013 1:35:56 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: wastoute

If they manage to take down the country and kill us off then we were the idiots all along.


39 posted on 10/30/2013 1:36:20 AM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Kimberly GG
Thanks for the quotes. When Glenn Beck had a show on FOX News he spent a good deal of time exposing this open conspiracy to socialize U.S. health care including video clips of Obama supporting single payer. The insurance industry killed HillaryCare with lobbyists and TV commercials. Obama knew if he didn't include private insurers in ObamaCare they would declare war again so he appealed to their greed with a guaranteed captive market. I think some of them are wishing now they had nipped this thing in the bud.
40 posted on 10/30/2013 1:57:33 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Kimberly GG

These leftists actually believe the voters will trust them with single payer after epically failing with obamacare and wasting billions???!!!


41 posted on 10/30/2013 2:00:59 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: wastoute

“Anyone that is a libturd at this point IS a complete idiot. Don’t be fooled by idiots.”

There are three types;

“Leftist” who know it is total revolution/destruction of our system that they seek. I believe Obama falls under this category. The total ideologue.

“Liberal” which would include those who like the soft squishy European style of socialism that appeals to the lazy and disillusioned. Truth and facts are inconvenient, but ignorable.

“Useful idiot” as Lenin called them, which have been coined “low information voter”. Sound bites, catchy phrases, and political gotcha moments, along with peer pressure are very effective with this group. They really have no idea.

We have our work cut out for us in dealing with this.


42 posted on 10/30/2013 2:22:11 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Maurice Tift

Your answer is yes. Single payer allows for healthcare rationing. Aimed directly at aging Baby Boomers and the physically handicapped of all ages to decrease the surplus population


43 posted on 10/30/2013 2:29:47 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Kimberly GG

And who will pay for so-called single payer? Not the half of the nation already on the dole.


44 posted on 10/30/2013 2:43:14 AM PDT by relictele ("An elective despotism was not the government we fought for..." - James Madison)
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To: relictele
The only way this goes away is a veto proof majority in the Senate, not going to happen. Or Repubs will have to have all three branches of the Gov. I'm not sure will that will happen either.

The Rats are signing up millions into Medicaid never to taken away.

45 posted on 10/30/2013 3:13:37 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Kickass Conservative

Medicaid is just Medicare for people under 65.
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Medicaid is a 100% paid, no premium, no deductible, no co-pay covers medical, dental, eye care govt paid plan.
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Medicare is a monthly premium, annual deductible, 20% co-pay, no dental or eye care for an aging population that spends more on failing eyes and teeth than youngsters. Plus Medicare enrollees when working paid Medicare withholding taxes.
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There is no comparison between the 2 other than they are govt administrated. Medicare is hardly a freebie.


46 posted on 10/30/2013 3:58:44 AM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: redcatcherb412
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Medicaid is a 100% paid, no premium, no deductible, no co-pay covers medical, dental, eye care govt paid plan.

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Our state Medicaid plan does not permit you to own more than about 2000 in assets, which is a large deductible, will take your house, has two and five dollar copays.

This is the Medicaid plan that Hussian is wanting people to fall into, the one that takes assets.

47 posted on 10/30/2013 4:09:12 AM PDT by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Deagle
Nothing matter about why - it is about who and that is the stupid folks that continue to vote Democrat!

The Demonrats have an unlimited supply of ignorance and greed working for them. That advantage is nigh-impossible to overcome.

48 posted on 10/30/2013 4:18:43 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: Wanderer99

Touché!


49 posted on 10/30/2013 4:24:34 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Kimberly GG

ABSOLUTELY. The problem is that it is failing so fast they can’t blame the private health care sector. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS TAKING THE HIT. The government cannot manage one-sixth of the American economy. The government can’t be the solution if government is perceived as the problem. The RATS broke it—they own it.

ONLY RINOS CAN SCREW THIS UP!!!!!


50 posted on 10/30/2013 4:32:46 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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