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Is It O.K. to Kill Cyclists?
New York Times ^ | November 9, 2013 | Daniel Duane

Posted on 11/10/2013 6:57:21 PM PST by nickcarraway

EVERYBODY who knows me knows that I love cycling and that I’m also completely freaked out by it. I got into the sport for middle-aged reasons: fat; creaky knees; the delusional vanity of tight shorts. Registering for a triathlon, I took my first ride in decades. Wind in my hair, smile on my face, I decided instantly that I would bike everywhere like all those beautiful hipster kids on fixies. Within minutes, however, I watched an S.U.V. hit another cyclist, and then I got my own front wheel stuck in a streetcar track, sending me to the pavement.

I made it home alive and bought a stationary bike trainer and workout DVDs with the ex-pro Robbie Ventura guiding virtual rides on Wisconsin farm roads, so that I could sweat safely in my California basement. Then I called my buddy Russ, one of 13,500 daily bike commuters in Washington, D.C. Russ swore cycling was harmless but confessed to awakening recently in a Level 4 trauma center, having been hit by a car he could not remember. Still, Russ insisted I could avoid harm by assuming that every driver was “a mouth-breathing drug addict with a murderous hatred for cyclists.”

The anecdotes mounted: my wife’s childhood friend was cycling with Mom and Dad when a city truck killed her; two of my father’s law partners, maimed. I began noticing “cyclist killed” news articles, like one about Amelie Le Moullac, 24, pedaling inside a bike lane in San Francisco’s SOMA district when a truck turned right and killed her. In these articles, I found a recurring phrase: to quote from The San Francisco Chronicle story about Ms. Le Moullac, “The truck driver stayed at the scene and was not cited.”

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To: rabidralph; All
http://www.bicycling.com/news/featured-stories/strava-files

Just like any activity, there are nice guys and douchebags.

101 posted on 11/10/2013 8:36:27 PM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: digger48

>>Just the ones who don’t seem to think that traffic signs and right-of-ways apply to them.
<<

That would be the ones who wear tighty bicylcy outfits and Lance Armstrong astro-helmets.

If you time it right you can run them into a pole without actually hitting them.


102 posted on 11/10/2013 8:37:51 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

” I see them ride by my shop and blow the stop sign.”

Ridgebury road and county route 93 near me.
Ridgebury rd has a stop sign.
CTY rte 93 is a 50 mph zone.
Almost tagged some idiot who decided that stop signs were for suckers.
I laid on the brakes and horn, rolled the window down, and pointed out the clearly visible stop sign that he by law must stop at.
He shrugged, and almost bought it again by crossing the nose of an F250 pickup.

Oh, he also neglected to use any kind of signals to warn others of intent.


103 posted on 11/10/2013 8:38:44 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Vendome
I was once cocked by a driver who matched my speed ten and declared I was going 37 mph

I assume you meant clocked?

Or did you?

LOLOL!!!

The gift of a perfectly correctly spelled word...

104 posted on 11/10/2013 8:41:22 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: nickcarraway
Still, Russ insisted I could avoid harm by assuming that every driver was “a mouth-breathing drug addict with a murderous hatred for cyclists.”

Funny, that's how I felt when I used to ride my Ducati. That attitude certainly saved me a number of times.

Mark

105 posted on 11/10/2013 8:42:44 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: freedumb2003; Vendome

I’m in thread.
The typos will increase while I’m here or lurking.


106 posted on 11/10/2013 8:43:25 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: FredZarguna
I live in an area where the narrow two-lane blacktop has a wide shoulder and a minimum posted speed of 55, but disappears around curves and hills frequently. I have a large noisy diesel truck with big wide mirrors, and I have lost count how many times I have rounded a blind curve to find both oncoming traffic and yet another bike fool on the SHOULDER STRIPE, smurking over his shoulder at me, refusing to move onto the shoulder.

If they insist on hugging that paint stripe, that required three feet of clearance may have to come from them ducking as I go by.

107 posted on 11/10/2013 8:43:54 PM PST by pigsmith
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To: nickcarraway

cyclists of all colors believe thgey never do anythiung wrong or cntribute o their accidents at all. the ones where i am are reckess and arrogant and drive like maniacs. weaving in and out of traffic and riding the lane lines.

i’m not excusing idiot car and truck drivers, because i see texters all the damn time and those not paying attention, but just because a bike is smaller doesn’t mean they’re innocent and awesome drivers that had no cause in their accident.


108 posted on 11/10/2013 8:44:46 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Red Dog #1

Naaah.
Two minutes of hate: the idiots with four wheel drive who believe they can do 70+ mph in the snow and magically stop on a dime somehow.
We’ve all seen them.
Every winter.


109 posted on 11/10/2013 8:45:30 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: umgud

i love it when they ride two or three across and not go single file like they’re supposed to. /s

and to be fair i was a hardcore biker in high school and college. i got run off roads by semis on my rides several times. being older now, i will not bike on roads now because of drivers of any other vehicles not paying attention, bikers, cars, trucks, semis.


110 posted on 11/10/2013 8:50:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: digger48

ding ding ding......


111 posted on 11/10/2013 8:51:22 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Read this.


112 posted on 11/10/2013 8:52:09 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Steely Tom

That would be libel. Slander would be rolling down your window, shaking your fist at the idiot forcing traffic to a crawl and yelling, “Ride your damned bike in your neighborhood you mouth-breathing, inconsiderate little faggot, and stay the hell off the boulevard!”


113 posted on 11/10/2013 8:53:45 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: newnhdad

thank you, yes there are different kinds of bikers, just’like differnt kinds of motorcyclists and drivers. you run into the assholes so much you assume they’re all like that. you do have to assume that and drive accordingly though.


114 posted on 11/10/2013 8:54:51 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: usconservative

it’s sad you have to care more for an asshole’s life than the asshole does.


115 posted on 11/10/2013 8:56:39 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: donmeaker

technical term you’re looking for here is “smushed”.


116 posted on 11/10/2013 8:58:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway

I was almost run down by a cyclist for the first time a few weeks ago. There is now a nice strip of sidewalk in the middle of Eighth Avenue, separating the bike lane from the rest of the avenue. Since the bike lanes are almost always deserted, I thought that would be a good place to wait for the light to change. But along came the bike out of hell while I was crossing over.

OK, I was technically crossing against the light, as cyclists routinely do. But Sadik-Kahn and her pal Bloomberg have so deformed the city streets that you can get pretty confused. I’ve already ranted about the baffling intersections where a two-way cross street meets an avenue. So glad she will be gone. So glad they will both be gone.

Big riotous Community Board meeting the other night with armies from both sides.


117 posted on 11/10/2013 8:59:14 PM PST by firebrand
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To: RBStealth

your yutes are different than the yutes around me, then.


118 posted on 11/10/2013 8:59:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Libertarian4Bush

it’s like they totally ignore the stop signs where i am. jut blows me away theycthink it doesn’t apply to them. they’d get real pissed if a car did that and cut them off.


119 posted on 11/10/2013 9:01:05 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: pigsmith

The road doesn’t belong to you personally. You may feel justified in breaking the law because other people are lawfully using the road who aggravate you, but you aren’t. I ask those FReepers inclined to pray to offer devotions that you don’t end up on the wrong end of a negligent homicide.


120 posted on 11/10/2013 9:03:04 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: nickcarraway

There should be a season. And you get extra points if the indecent cyclist is a lawyer.


121 posted on 11/10/2013 9:03:21 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: JouleZ

many don’t think they can do anything wrong, as cyclists. any accident must be someone else’s fault.


122 posted on 11/10/2013 9:06:03 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway

In CT, we must drive our cars allowing a 3-foot “safety zone” around cyclists ...problematic when the cyclists ride 2 abreast on a 2-lane road....forcing the car in to the other lane.

Many towns here, have bicycle lanes....and cyclists hardly ever stay in them.


123 posted on 11/10/2013 9:08:52 PM PST by Daffynition (*$17,000,000,000,000* Fear the beards! GO SOX!)
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To: Red Dog #1

yeah b/c all bikers are innocent sweet law-abiding and never cause accidents. bad analogy.


124 posted on 11/10/2013 9:11:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Darksheare

assholes and idiots will be assholes and idiots regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.


125 posted on 11/10/2013 9:14:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway
Ok to kill cyclists?

From all the FR threads containing posts from the Spandex/exercise haters, it sounds like many FReepers think it should be open season on cyclists.

Some of the comments about spreading tacks on the road, using their trucks as weapons have pissed me off no end.

126 posted on 11/10/2013 9:14:59 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Secret Agent Man

I know.
Seen plenty on any vehicle you can imagine.
Snowmobiles and atv’s included.


127 posted on 11/10/2013 9:17:40 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

Damnit!

Switching from cell phone


128 posted on 11/10/2013 9:21:01 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Baynative

Just beautiful...


129 posted on 11/10/2013 9:22:20 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Darksheare
Actually cops are a huge part of the problem.

As a cyclist who avoids roads whenever possible -- which is "always" except for a few short, wide connecting roads between trails or bike paths, it burns me up to have to renegotiate the vehicle code at every intersection where some blue-hair thinks she's doing me a favor by waving me through a right of way I don't have.

Why do I have to do this?

Because of a handful of d0uchebags who don't obey the vehicle code. Let's face it: most people -- including the so-called "professional drivers" commenting on this thread are CRAPPY drivers. They don't know how to drive very well even when the vehicle is commanding 100% of their attention, which is never never. They're distracted by eating, phoning, texting, arguing with their mates, disciplining their kids, drinking, getting high ... Now add to that the aggravation of a few near misses with idiots and they feel completely justified in talking about maiming or killing cyclists.

A lot of this could be ameliorated if police would stop issuing tickets to motorists who're 15 miles over the speed limit, and issue citations to bicyclists who are in flagrant violation of the vehicle code or common sense.

Here are some violations the cops give a pass to all the time:

If motorists would just see police issuing citations for these flagrant violations, the heat level would go way down, the spandex class might learn something, and everybody's life would be a lot more pleasant. Especially mine. I don't appreciate the mindset created by negligent bicyclists any more than the idiots who think they'd be justified in killing someone over their momentary impatience.

130 posted on 11/10/2013 9:22:51 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: null and void

Oops!


131 posted on 11/10/2013 9:22:56 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

Lol, too late!
You’re infected with typo virus now!
/ kidding

Yeah, this thing is a trip to type on sometimes.
The “helpful suggestions” in the center bar are bizarre and amusing.
Makes posting an adventure.


132 posted on 11/10/2013 9:24:14 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Vendome
That’s why I always rode hard and fast and looked for opportunities to allow them them to pass, as I hugged the road dangerously close to the side of the road.

The bolded part is what I always did when cycling on the road. And I always cycled at a moderate pace so that I could stay in control of the bike and avoid serious spills even when I encountered road hazards for bicycles like grates or debris.

133 posted on 11/10/2013 9:26:34 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: FredZarguna

Bump!
I have only seen a cop yell at a cyclist once.
A young kid who wasn’t wearing a helmet.


134 posted on 11/10/2013 9:28:23 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: PAR35
I stick to bike paths in the linear parks. A sign saying that bicyclists can take the whole lane won’t do you much good if you get run over by someone chatting on their cell phone.

I'm lucky in that with the exception of the first two miles through my subdivision, I can ride the 14 miles to work entirely on a bike path that parallels the road. If I had to ride on the shoulder I probably wouldn't do it. These are very busy 45-55 mph roads and while there was a time when that didn't bother me a bit, that was many years ago.

135 posted on 11/10/2013 9:30:53 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: Darksheare
You only need to wear a helmet if you use your brain at work. [Or to see, hear, breathe, evacuate your waste ...]

In PA, helmets are not mandatory. Obeying the vehicle code is.

136 posted on 11/10/2013 9:31:30 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: FredZarguna

I like being alive.
Bounced off the hood of a camaro once.
One of the predmore twins tried running me down with his camaro.
He kinda botched it up and merely sent me rolling over the hood of his car.
After I grabbed my bike and booked down a nearby trail, I heard him backing up and trying to drive his camaro down the path behind me.
“Welcome to Port Jervis NY!”


137 posted on 11/10/2013 9:36:05 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: nickcarraway

Of course it is not okay, but it’d be their fault.


138 posted on 11/10/2013 9:38:14 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: FredZarguna
My roommate in college (Vice President of College Democrats, for those who haven't followed my rants in the past) got pulled over about 1 AM for running a red light. On his bicycle. The officer determined my roommate had been drinking, so he arrested him for DUI, and impounded his bicycle.

I had to pick him up from jail the next day, and take him to get his bike back.

Eventually, the DUI charge got dropped, but he had to pay the ticket for running a red light. On a bicycle.

139 posted on 11/10/2013 9:46:47 PM PST by real saxophonist (Rock, paper, scissors, GUN. I win.)
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To: nickcarraway

opened my apt screen door one day and nailed a bicycles riding in the hallway was funny he was so pissed off at me, but a sign in the common area said NO bike riding in the halls.... though i was going to have to go to the rental office and ask for a new screen door...


140 posted on 11/10/2013 9:54:55 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yup my sentiments exactly.

I don’t dislike cyclists, just those who aren’t polite and abuse our traffic ways (that were made for motor vehicles)!


141 posted on 11/10/2013 10:01:12 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: markman46
Taken outside my local Target:

No Bicycle Riding, right above a bicycle rack.

142 posted on 11/10/2013 10:02:05 PM PST by real saxophonist (Rock, paper, scissors, GUN. I win.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Thoughtless cyclist aren't really the problem. Neither are idiots in cars. J@ck@sses of all sorts on the road are the problem.

J@ck@sses on this and other conservative forums that advocate violence are also a problem. Idiot cyclist deserve tickets or may even be responsible for their own demise but the public doesn't deserve childish suggestions of running others over.

Further, many of the posters on this thread cast a poor reflection on FR. This sort of nonsense is perfect for discrediting conservatives. Do you think there aren't leftist equivalents to DUfunnies?

143 posted on 11/10/2013 10:02:46 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: FredZarguna
Cyclists passing cars on the right in the same lane.

OK pal, no issue with most of your rants, but this one:

Just where would you have them pass you? Perhaps walking their bike and groveling at your vehicular superiority?

Have you ever ridden a bicycle on public roads? All the exercise haters screech about cyclists not staying in bike paths, having never tried riding in one.

If you had, you would have seen all the broken glass and fast food debris from car and truck drivers that pollute the "bike lane". For much of some roads, riding there is a ticket to flat tires.

Moving over to avoid glass is something that has to be done. Understand that the bike you approach is not a steamship and may have to undertake defensive maneuvers from road debris.

I have scars from a flat tire at speed from some @sshole's broken bottle. Don't tell me about staying in bike lanes.

144 posted on 11/10/2013 10:03:49 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: nickcarraway

When does Caligula go bike riding?


145 posted on 11/10/2013 10:05:58 PM PST by Jemian (I do my best editing just after I hit the "post" button.)
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To: real saxophonist

I know someone that got an RUI. Really. Talk about hitting rock bottom.


146 posted on 11/10/2013 10:06:23 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: Darksheare
D, forgot to add you to “to” Bo's...pls see #143.
147 posted on 11/10/2013 10:08:26 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: Red Dog #1

Lol.


148 posted on 11/10/2013 10:11:12 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: doorgunner69

Yep. I had a tire get cut so bad by glass I couldn’t fix it, so now I run Gatorskins on my road bike, and don’t care if they weigh a few grams more.


149 posted on 11/10/2013 10:12:25 PM PST by real saxophonist (Rock, paper, scissors, GUN. I win.)
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To: raybbr
There are many freepers who believe, truly believe, hitting cyclists would be okay.

I am one of them.

After all, I'd hit it.

150 posted on 11/10/2013 10:31:11 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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