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Is It O.K. to Kill Cyclists?
New York Times ^ | November 9, 2013 | Daniel Duane

Posted on 11/10/2013 6:57:21 PM PST by nickcarraway

EVERYBODY who knows me knows that I love cycling and that I’m also completely freaked out by it. I got into the sport for middle-aged reasons: fat; creaky knees; the delusional vanity of tight shorts. Registering for a triathlon, I took my first ride in decades. Wind in my hair, smile on my face, I decided instantly that I would bike everywhere like all those beautiful hipster kids on fixies. Within minutes, however, I watched an S.U.V. hit another cyclist, and then I got my own front wheel stuck in a streetcar track, sending me to the pavement.

I made it home alive and bought a stationary bike trainer and workout DVDs with the ex-pro Robbie Ventura guiding virtual rides on Wisconsin farm roads, so that I could sweat safely in my California basement. Then I called my buddy Russ, one of 13,500 daily bike commuters in Washington, D.C. Russ swore cycling was harmless but confessed to awakening recently in a Level 4 trauma center, having been hit by a car he could not remember. Still, Russ insisted I could avoid harm by assuming that every driver was “a mouth-breathing drug addict with a murderous hatred for cyclists.”

The anecdotes mounted: my wife’s childhood friend was cycling with Mom and Dad when a city truck killed her; two of my father’s law partners, maimed. I began noticing “cyclist killed” news articles, like one about Amelie Le Moullac, 24, pedaling inside a bike lane in San Francisco’s SOMA district when a truck turned right and killed her. In these articles, I found a recurring phrase: to quote from The San Francisco Chronicle story about Ms. Le Moullac, “The truck driver stayed at the scene and was not cited.”

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To: nickcarraway

There should be a season. And you get extra points if the indecent cyclist is a lawyer.


121 posted on 11/10/2013 9:03:21 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: JouleZ

many don’t think they can do anything wrong, as cyclists. any accident must be someone else’s fault.


122 posted on 11/10/2013 9:06:03 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway

In CT, we must drive our cars allowing a 3-foot “safety zone” around cyclists ...problematic when the cyclists ride 2 abreast on a 2-lane road....forcing the car in to the other lane.

Many towns here, have bicycle lanes....and cyclists hardly ever stay in them.


123 posted on 11/10/2013 9:08:52 PM PST by Daffynition (*$17,000,000,000,000* Fear the beards! GO SOX!)
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To: Red Dog #1

yeah b/c all bikers are innocent sweet law-abiding and never cause accidents. bad analogy.


124 posted on 11/10/2013 9:11:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Darksheare

assholes and idiots will be assholes and idiots regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.


125 posted on 11/10/2013 9:14:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway
Ok to kill cyclists?

From all the FR threads containing posts from the Spandex/exercise haters, it sounds like many FReepers think it should be open season on cyclists.

Some of the comments about spreading tacks on the road, using their trucks as weapons have pissed me off no end.

126 posted on 11/10/2013 9:14:59 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Secret Agent Man

I know.
Seen plenty on any vehicle you can imagine.
Snowmobiles and atv’s included.


127 posted on 11/10/2013 9:17:40 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

Damnit!

Switching from cell phone


128 posted on 11/10/2013 9:21:01 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Baynative

Just beautiful...


129 posted on 11/10/2013 9:22:20 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Darksheare
Actually cops are a huge part of the problem.

As a cyclist who avoids roads whenever possible -- which is "always" except for a few short, wide connecting roads between trails or bike paths, it burns me up to have to renegotiate the vehicle code at every intersection where some blue-hair thinks she's doing me a favor by waving me through a right of way I don't have.

Why do I have to do this?

Because of a handful of d0uchebags who don't obey the vehicle code. Let's face it: most people -- including the so-called "professional drivers" commenting on this thread are CRAPPY drivers. They don't know how to drive very well even when the vehicle is commanding 100% of their attention, which is never never. They're distracted by eating, phoning, texting, arguing with their mates, disciplining their kids, drinking, getting high ... Now add to that the aggravation of a few near misses with idiots and they feel completely justified in talking about maiming or killing cyclists.

A lot of this could be ameliorated if police would stop issuing tickets to motorists who're 15 miles over the speed limit, and issue citations to bicyclists who are in flagrant violation of the vehicle code or common sense.

Here are some violations the cops give a pass to all the time:

If motorists would just see police issuing citations for these flagrant violations, the heat level would go way down, the spandex class might learn something, and everybody's life would be a lot more pleasant. Especially mine. I don't appreciate the mindset created by negligent bicyclists any more than the idiots who think they'd be justified in killing someone over their momentary impatience.

130 posted on 11/10/2013 9:22:51 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: null and void

Oops!


131 posted on 11/10/2013 9:22:56 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

Lol, too late!
You’re infected with typo virus now!
/ kidding

Yeah, this thing is a trip to type on sometimes.
The “helpful suggestions” in the center bar are bizarre and amusing.
Makes posting an adventure.


132 posted on 11/10/2013 9:24:14 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Vendome
That’s why I always rode hard and fast and looked for opportunities to allow them them to pass, as I hugged the road dangerously close to the side of the road.

The bolded part is what I always did when cycling on the road. And I always cycled at a moderate pace so that I could stay in control of the bike and avoid serious spills even when I encountered road hazards for bicycles like grates or debris.

133 posted on 11/10/2013 9:26:34 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: FredZarguna

Bump!
I have only seen a cop yell at a cyclist once.
A young kid who wasn’t wearing a helmet.


134 posted on 11/10/2013 9:28:23 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: PAR35
I stick to bike paths in the linear parks. A sign saying that bicyclists can take the whole lane won’t do you much good if you get run over by someone chatting on their cell phone.

I'm lucky in that with the exception of the first two miles through my subdivision, I can ride the 14 miles to work entirely on a bike path that parallels the road. If I had to ride on the shoulder I probably wouldn't do it. These are very busy 45-55 mph roads and while there was a time when that didn't bother me a bit, that was many years ago.

135 posted on 11/10/2013 9:30:53 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: Darksheare
You only need to wear a helmet if you use your brain at work. [Or to see, hear, breathe, evacuate your waste ...]

In PA, helmets are not mandatory. Obeying the vehicle code is.

136 posted on 11/10/2013 9:31:30 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: FredZarguna

I like being alive.
Bounced off the hood of a camaro once.
One of the predmore twins tried running me down with his camaro.
He kinda botched it up and merely sent me rolling over the hood of his car.
After I grabbed my bike and booked down a nearby trail, I heard him backing up and trying to drive his camaro down the path behind me.
“Welcome to Port Jervis NY!”


137 posted on 11/10/2013 9:36:05 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: nickcarraway

Of course it is not okay, but it’d be their fault.


138 posted on 11/10/2013 9:38:14 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: FredZarguna
My roommate in college (Vice President of College Democrats, for those who haven't followed my rants in the past) got pulled over about 1 AM for running a red light. On his bicycle. The officer determined my roommate had been drinking, so he arrested him for DUI, and impounded his bicycle.

I had to pick him up from jail the next day, and take him to get his bike back.

Eventually, the DUI charge got dropped, but he had to pay the ticket for running a red light. On a bicycle.

139 posted on 11/10/2013 9:46:47 PM PST by real saxophonist (Rock, paper, scissors, GUN. I win.)
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To: nickcarraway

opened my apt screen door one day and nailed a bicycles riding in the hallway was funny he was so pissed off at me, but a sign in the common area said NO bike riding in the halls.... though i was going to have to go to the rental office and ask for a new screen door...


140 posted on 11/10/2013 9:54:55 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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