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Daring to Complain About Obamacare
The New York Times' Opinion Pages ^ | November 10, 2013 | Lori Gottlieb

Posted on 11/11/2013 6:28:05 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

THE Anthem Blue Cross representative who answered my call told me that there was a silver lining in the cancellation of my individual P.P.O. policy and the $5,400 annual increase that I would have to pay for the Affordable Care Act-compliant option: now if I have Stage 4 cancer or need a sex-change operation, I’d be covered regardless of pre-existing conditions. Never mind that the new provider network would eliminate coverage for my and my son’s long-term doctors and hospitals.

The Anthem rep cheerily explained that despite the company’s — I paraphrase — draconian rates and limited network, my benefits, which also include maternity coverage (handy for a 46-year-old), would “be actually much richer.”

I, of course, would be actually much poorer. And it was this aspect of the bum deal that, to my surprise, turned out to be a very unpopular thing to gripe about.

“Obamacare or Kafkacare?” I posted on Facebook as soon as I hung up with Anthem....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: obama; obamacare; obots; stickershock
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1 posted on 11/11/2013 6:28:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

AGH…LOL…ROFL That’s as good as lol cats hazzing cheezbergers… “I’m Saden ur Freude”


2 posted on 11/11/2013 6:32:40 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Kafkacare

If you have a rotten apple stuck in your shell you are covered for that.

4 posted on 11/11/2013 6:37:14 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry, no hits for the Slimes.


5 posted on 11/11/2013 6:38:00 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gee, Lori experiences the same lone voice in the wilderness I experience when I provide vetted citations to info I’ve avowed on FB. More people are invested in their ideology than being honest, forthright and real.


6 posted on 11/11/2013 6:38:43 PM PST by jurroppi1
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To: Diogenesis



7 posted on 11/11/2013 6:45:11 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He is kidding about paying for a sex change operation isn’t he???


8 posted on 11/11/2013 6:46:21 PM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Venturer

No.


9 posted on 11/11/2013 6:49:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Many on the left see faith & family as oppressive, the right sees them as indispensable." Palin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Our New, Happy Lives!

“Comrades!” cried the press secretary’s eager youthful voice. “Attention, comrades! We have glorious news for you. We have won the battle for affordable health care!
Returns now completed of the output of all classes of medical goods and services show that the quality and quantity has risen by no less than twenty percent over the past year, and the cost therefor has plummeted by thirty percent!
All over Amerika this morning there were irrepressible spontaneous demonstrations when workers marched out of factories and offices and paraded through the streets with banners voicing their gratitude to Comrades Obama and Sebelius for the new, happy life which their wise leadership has bestowed upon us.
Here are some of the completed figures. Head transplants and exclamation marks—“


10 posted on 11/11/2013 6:50:09 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, that is a benefit.

Michelle may undergo the first Wookie to Woman transformation, also covered under obamacare.


11 posted on 11/11/2013 6:58:48 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Lori Gottlieb’s critical of Obama. She must be a racist. Ask any liberal - it's the Chris Matthews rule: criticism of Obama equals racism.
12 posted on 11/11/2013 7:03:11 PM PST by GOPJ (Obama - "too arrogant to question his own bad judgement" ... Greenfield)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Like Bridget Jones’s “smug marrieds,” the “smug insureds” — friends who were covered through their own or spouses’ employers or who were grandfathered into their plans — asked why I didn’t “just” switch all of our long-term doctors, suck it up and pay an extra $200 a month for a restrictive network on the exchange, or marry the guy I’m dating. How romantic: “I didn’t marry you just to save money, honey. I married you for your provider network.”

Her 'smug' friends might not nbe so smug in the future... Obama's going after company plans too... wait and see.

13 posted on 11/11/2013 7:09:43 PM PST by GOPJ (Obama - "too arrogant to question his own bad judgement" ... Greenfield)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Insanity, Total insanity.


14 posted on 11/11/2013 7:16:14 PM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: GOPJ

I have decided to not get sick.


15 posted on 11/11/2013 7:17:37 PM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
now if I have Stage 4 cancer or need a sex-change operation, I’d be covered regardless of pre-existing conditions.

Let me see if I'm following this correctly.

Under ObamaCare, if a male wants a sex-change operation, being a male is now a "pre-existing condition?"

-PJ

16 posted on 11/11/2013 7:20:26 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

...so now that this woman has discovered that she’s the “rich” who will be shelling out more for the “poor”, she’s opposed to it?

Typical.


17 posted on 11/11/2013 7:32:01 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
I have decided to not get sick.

You'll be fined by 'dear leader' ... you know that, right?

It's all horrible...

Obama's going after medicare advantage too - old people have limited places to go... and might need medical care. You're in my prayers Foundahardheadedwoman - you, me and all of us.

18 posted on 11/11/2013 7:33:58 PM PST by GOPJ (Obama - "too arrogant to question his own bad judgement" ... Greenfield)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Then I sat back and waited for the love to pour in. Or at least the “like.” Lots of likes. After all, I have 1,037 Facebook friends. Surely, they’d commiserate. Except that they didn’t.

That Kool Aid stain is gonna last a while.

19 posted on 11/11/2013 7:35:02 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

-— the “smug insureds” —friends who were covered through their own or spouses’ employers or who were grandfathered into their plans —asked why I didn’t “just” switch all of our long-term doctors, suck it up and pay an extra $200 a month for a restrictive network on the exchange -—

Their time will come... Soon.

Meanwhile, speaking of Kafkaesque, every Freeper should watch Orson Welles’ version of “The Trial.” It’s a truly terrifying, surrealistic depiction of the totalitarian State. It’s in my all-time top ten.


20 posted on 11/11/2013 7:51:38 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: MeshugeMikey

LOL! Outstanding.

The address in the URL box has a typo.


21 posted on 11/11/2013 7:55:54 PM PST by upchuck (I've got maternity care via Obamacare! Now, if I could just figure out how a male gets pregnant...)
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To: tumblindice
"...Head transplants and exclamation marks..."

(Joe Biden was one of the early ones into the program...)


22 posted on 11/11/2013 8:03:54 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The comment section is truly frightening. They do not have a single original, critical thought.


23 posted on 11/11/2013 8:05:44 PM PST by informavoracious (Root for Obamacare and healthcare.gov failure!)
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To: informavoracious

Oh, I don’t know:

poetikus Missouri

The smugness of those attacking Ms. Gottlieb as somehow being not fully human for not wanting to shell over thousands of dollars more a year for less care says all you need to know as to why this country still has U6 unemployment in the teens and economic stagnation not seen in decades.

Mandating “charity” may assuage the guilt of shallow souls but true charity comes from the individual, from the heart, with true meaning and caring, it does not originate in the cubicles at HHS.

Obamacare does nothing to lower the cost curve, does nothing to bring control back to the patient, limits access, ignores the need for tort reform (yep, dems still love their trial lawyers), reduces the amount and effectiveness of personal health savings accounts, raises taxes on everything from medical devices to selling a home, and in the end, even the CBO states it will still leave tens of millions “uninsured”.

The fact that so many still defending the hype of a program that at its core is more about control of the individual than affordable, accessible healthcare speaks volumes of the current level of ignorance and lack of critical thought running rampant through American society today.


24 posted on 11/11/2013 8:12:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Many on the left see faith & family as oppressive, the right sees them as indispensable." Palin)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
"...Meanwhile, speaking of Kafkaesque, every Freeper should watch Orson Welles’ version of “The Trial.” It’s a truly terrifying, surrealistic depiction of the totalitarian State. It’s in my all-time top ten..."

Thanks very much for the suggestion...I have never seen it, and just went on Netflix where I can stream it. Too late tonight, but will watch it tomorrow! (always looking for suggestions from Freepers for movies, especially older movies. Don't watch as many new ones anymore...)

25 posted on 11/11/2013 8:14:18 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: tumblindice

That’s awesome. So accurate.


26 posted on 11/11/2013 8:14:50 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ok that was one comment out of how many?


27 posted on 11/11/2013 8:16:03 PM PST by informavoracious (Root for Obamacare and healthcare.gov failure!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There is an excellent commentary on this over at The American Thinker: No Love for NY Times op-ed writer whose insurance was cancelled
28 posted on 11/11/2013 8:18:48 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: informavoracious

LOL...2ndDivisionVet does have a point, that WAS a good comment posted, but...to be honest, I never read comments in those places, ever. I find more critical thinking and insight in the comments at YouTube videos, if you know what I mean!


29 posted on 11/11/2013 8:21:20 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel

I read them because sometimes they surprise me!


30 posted on 11/11/2013 8:24:36 PM PST by informavoracious (Root for Obamacare and healthcare.gov failure!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
Uber leftie Lori Gottlieb is textbook. This will be fun to watch.

Get to know her Here and Here

31 posted on 11/11/2013 8:37:05 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: TigersEye
The Castle (German: Das Schloss) is a novel by Franz Kafka. In it a protagonist, known only as K., struggles to gain access to the mysterious authorities of a castle who govern the village for unknown reasons. Kafka died before finishing the work, but suggested it would end with the Land Surveyor dying in the village; the castle notifying him on his death bed that his "legal claim to live in the village was not valid, yet, taking certain auxiliary circumstances into account, he was permitted to live and work there". Dark and at times surreal, The Castle is often understood to be about alienation, bureaucracy, the seemingly endless frustrations of man's attempts to stand against the system, and the futile and hopeless pursuit of an unobtainable goal.

... That's a quote. I read most of this, but kind of petered out at the end. Very fitting, I concluded. It is very affecting ... dreamlike.

32 posted on 11/11/2013 9:05:34 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

In my teens I tried twice to read The Trial but couldn’t do it. Just too tedious for me. But The Metamorphosis easily held my interest. The Castle sounds like it fits our time very well.


33 posted on 11/11/2013 9:17:00 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Venturer

I find it markedly humorless, joking now about a sex change operation.

These benevolent people cannot be seriously planning for their own retirements, their own unforeseen obstacles. I mean do they think nothing bad can happen to them? Do they just expect people to support them when they need it?

Where IS this in our constitution?

One judge decides our fate as a country? And these people think the gimme stuffs are more deserving than hword working people?

I’m not talking about legitimate hard luck cases, that’s another subject.

These people don’t have enough of a grip to do a little research to find out the truth about whether people are receiving their donations.

AND she says Obama is asking her to donate. Really? Can we answer no? No, so he is NOT asking.

They are not even in touch with the truth.


34 posted on 11/11/2013 10:09:56 PM PST by stanne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Brilliant comment, 2DV. You probably haven’t, but you really should have posted that in the comments section at the NYT article.

That’s the sort of reasoned analysis that wakes up those who are close to seeing the light.


35 posted on 11/11/2013 10:29:03 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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It wasn’t that long ago the CRA and capital risk allowances trashed the Country’s lending and insurance backbone. It happened because dirtbags were given the greenlight to lend irresponsibly to irresponsible people.

ACA - same shit different day.

# the Marxists!


36 posted on 11/11/2013 11:18:10 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pride will prevent her and her colleagues from admitting that we on the right had Obamacare pegged all along.


37 posted on 11/12/2013 3:14:06 AM PST by Oratam
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To: stanne

I sure wasn’t joking when I asked if this thing paid for a sex change operation.

If it does it is an even further abomination. Mutilating someone’s privates is as crazy as cutting off their arms because of mental illness.

That is exactly what sex change is—insanity.


38 posted on 11/12/2013 3:48:57 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: upchuck
thats not terribly uncommon in my daily work...

Thank you!


39 posted on 11/12/2013 3:21:53 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: MeshugeMikey

Another good one!

But the typo in the URL is still there: Obam a scare.gov


40 posted on 11/12/2013 5:39:04 PM PST by upchuck (I've got maternity care via Obamacare! Now, if I could just figure out how a male gets pregnant...)
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To: upchuck
well thats one problem cured.....


41 posted on 11/12/2013 5:46:43 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: MeshugeMikey

Much better!


42 posted on 11/12/2013 7:05:55 PM PST by upchuck (I can't stand people that don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're.' Their so stupid...)
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To: upchuck
its s tough gig trying to stay in front of current evetns

I may have to fix this one too,


43 posted on 11/12/2013 7:10:57 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: MeshugeMikey

I don’t think that book is going to work. They might also need ....

“What is a computer?, for DUmmies”

“How to turn on a computer, for DUmmies”

“What is the Internet for Dummies”

“How to Log On for DUmmies”


44 posted on 11/12/2013 7:15:19 PM PST by GeronL
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To: GeronL
I heard that....and apparntly so has the lil emperor!




45 posted on 11/12/2013 8:57:19 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
I have decided to not get sick.

You and I have the same healthcare plan.

I told my niece to go study herbal medicine. We'll be lucky if that's available.

46 posted on 11/12/2013 9:24:14 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bookmark


47 posted on 11/12/2013 9:31:52 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Wow. That was a blast! I just watched it, never seen it before. Brilliant!

I only have one thing to say about THAT!

VA.

VA.

VOOM!

48 posted on 11/15/2013 8:41:55 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

That was one damned fascinating movie to watch...a nightmare indeed! Just some thoughts...

I loved the scene where Romy Schneider was being carried along on the guy’s shoulder and they are having the shouted conversation, and the look on her face was almost...bored!

I loved the movie! I have seen “Citizen Kane”, and it just never did a dang thing for me. But this was a load of fun to watch.

Thanks for that suggestion! Best one for a movie in years...


49 posted on 11/15/2013 8:48:47 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel
I loved the movie! I have seen “Citizen Kane”, and it just never did a dang thing for me.

Same with me.

I loved the scene where Romy Schneider was being carried along on the guy’s shoulder and they are having the shouted conversation, and the look on her face was almost...bored!

There are so many images that have stayed with me. The infinite office with people typing away endlessly. The cavernous buildings with dusty, abandoned books. The opening scene where Anthony Perkins is stumbling between nondescript, modern apartment buildings, on a rocky, lunar landscape, and then being causally interrogated by government agents, who are crawling all over his tiny apartment.

But this was a load of fun to watch.

I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I hesitate to recommend it, because it isn't a typical Hollywood movie. But it really is outstanding. Nothing captures for me the dull, impersonal, nightmarish world of the total state, as this movie does. It reminds me of every frustrating encounter I've had with the Total Bureaucracy.

It's the kind of movie that's best viewed alone, on a rainy night. You really want to immerse yourself in it.

50 posted on 11/16/2013 5:39:05 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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