Boeing machinists reject contract Wednesday night

Kiro 7 News ^ | Nov. 12, 2013

[21twelve]

I remember right after the crash in 2008 when some union at Boeing went on strike. One of the big sticking points would be that they would start having to pay a $5 co-pay for doctors’ visits.

[tcrlaf]

Eastern had lots of problems, not just the Unions. But the failure to accept a new reality by the unions is what eventually shut the airline.

It was worth far more in pieces, than as a going concern, in the end.

[rainee]

If I’m Boeing, call their bluff & start packing down south..Inslee & his goons were obviously spooked enough to pass the tax breaks so unless they have more tax payer $ to bribe Boeing, ball is in their court.

[Moonman62]

I don't remember that one, but I thought they did say they would last one day longer than the airline. Eastern Airlines, a belligerent, stupid union and bad management weren't a good combination. However, I believe all the major airlines from that time ended up in bankruptcy at least once.

(I say the union was stupid because there was no way they could replace the pay they were getting for the work they did.)

[Steve_Seattle]

"And I imagine WA state will try to make their offers better to the company and the unions."

The state already agreed to huge tax breaks for Boeing - I heard a figure of $1-2 BILLION, but I don't know how many years it would take to reach that figure. Still, a big tax cut for Boeing would be made up with a tax INCREASE somewhere else.

[MasterGunner01]

If I were Boeing, I’d have a contingency plan all set to go to move production to other Boeing plants. I’d also make arrangements to transfer as much of its work out of Washington state to other states without these IAM pukes. Let the union strike — Boeing shuts down operations in the state and moves out completely. Screw Barry’s union thugs.

[21twelve]

Well, the 777x deal going to Texas or South Carolina would ALSO mean a big loss in tax revenues that will be made up somewhere else.

[Rodamala]

In my mind I'm going to Carolina
Can't you see the sunshine,
     can't you just feel the moonshine?
Ain't it just like a friend of mine
      to hit me from behind?
Yes, I'm going to Carolina in my mind.

[Salgak]

Even the ENGINEERS at Boeing are unionized (well, Boeing Aircraft anyway).

The last machinist’s strike at Boeing was 2006-2007 or so, and they were still feeling the effects YEARS later. .

[Fresh Wind]

“Full pay ‘til the last day” -Eastern Airlines labor slogan

Interesting that they don't mention "work" in that slogan.

[jonrick46]

The union members think that Boeing is bluffing. They do not know how hard Obamacare has hit the corporations. They do not know how expensive these pensions when are taken in the context of the economy.

[SoFloFreeper]

Move to South Carolina, Boeing.

[jonrick46]

It is these same unions in Washington State that lined the pockets of the Washington State Democrats. It is these pension programs that the unions use as a slush fund for their donation money to Democrat politicians. The unions in Washington State pay people to man the phone banks, walk the precincts, make the political signs and all the things the typical grass root volunteers do for Republicans. These are the same people who put Zer0 into office; who are now suffering the consequences in their benefits package because of Obamacare.

If Boeing production goes the South Carolina, it is the Democrat ass kissing unions that have themselves to blame.

[raybbr]

Funny. Use a communist to promote capitalism...

[taildragger]

The union members think that Boeing is bluffing. They do not know how hard Obamacare has hit the corporations. They do not know how expensive these pensions when are taken in the context of the economy.

Do your due-diligence on this. Former Boeing looked over employee Alan Mulally now Ford CEO is diligently working to totally remove the pension Liability from their balance sheet by funding aggressively and or Buy-Outs.

Boeing screwed up by not promoting Alan, Ford's gain, but it is times like this I bet they wish they had him back....

[trebb]

Not sure what happens now. It sounds like the unions figure Boeing will negotiate. But I’ve read too where some think that Boeing will start negotiations with other state’s to see what their options are (tax breaks, etc.) And I imagine WA state will try to make their offers better to the company and the unions.

And Holder and Obama and Reid and Pelosi will be out front as the Feds bring suits/edicts that they cannot relocate because of the suffering it will cause - sometimes they think suffering is bad; other times it is the goal...

[Alas Babylon!]

OMG, is that Steve Ballmer?!?

Here's a better image, at least the one I remember:

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

They have torn down the renton plant where Boeing built the famous B-17,B29,B47,B52.No history left to keep them there.Time to move south Boeing.

[Chode]

good... now move the plant to a right to work state!!!

[bert]

Greed is an element but timing is the key. The union must go for broke while Obama is president. If the union can not bully Boeing with the current contract negotiations, it will lose out until the next round.