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The Obamacare “Fix” Scam
Townhall ^ | 11/14/13 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 11/14/2013 2:30:21 AM PST by Libloather

**SNIP**

Support in Congress from Democrats for these “if you like your plan you can keep it” bills is growing. The biggest defection from the White House line came when Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., said she would co-sponsor legislation Sen. Mary Landrieu, R-La., is pushing that will allow people who’ve lost coverage they like to keep it. Landrieu is up of re-election next year in a red state, so her motives are clear. Feinstein isn’t, and even if she were she could execute puppies on live TV and still win by 20 points.

But there are a couple of problems here.

First, Feinstein isn’t just coming at this from some altruistic perspective. Although she is safe in her position, her position is much worse if Republicans re-take the Senate next year. Progressives such as Feinstein knew millions would lose their coverage in the individual market, and millions more will lose their employer-provided coverage in coming years. It was all part of the plan. Government can’t completely take over health care at once, so it takes baby-steps. Feinstein knows this. She’s not looking to help people; she’s looking to help the cause.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fix; husseincare; obamacare; scam
Gearing up for 2014.
1 posted on 11/14/2013 2:30:22 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

AND THE WALLS CAME TUMBLING DOWN. . . . . . . . .


2 posted on 11/14/2013 2:34:12 AM PST by DeaconRed (Nancy: It passed and the more we read it the more we HATE IT! ! ! ! ! ! !)
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To: Libloather

Sen. Mary Landrieu, R-La.?
Landrieu is up of re-election?
Geez.


3 posted on 11/14/2013 2:38:19 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: MestaMachine; Liz
Sen. Mary Landrieu, R-La.

Well, look at that. Maybe she's the insider getting the scoop during the secret meetings?

4 posted on 11/14/2013 3:00:14 AM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Libloather

The GOP should be in no hurry to do anything. Let enough suffering begin to make sure the Libs never get a chance to do this again.


5 posted on 11/14/2013 3:04:34 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Naw! I say let the GOP go ahead and with alacrity feed fix bills to the Democrats, who will then fall all over one another with finger pointing while the public glares at them. We want circuses! We want circuses!


6 posted on 11/14/2013 3:08:30 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: tobyhill
The GOP should be in no hurry to do anything

To a certain extent true, but NOW is the time to start messaging in SIGNIFICANT ways that Obmacare is wholly owned by Democrats and Obama.

Right now there are millions of LIV that ware just now discovering how screwed they are. The GOP needs to communicate now that the GOP was opposed to the Obama care nonsense. And Obamacare is the result of Democrat nanny state policies before the Dems and the MSM get a chance to deflect this mess to someplace else.

7 posted on 11/14/2013 3:13:55 AM PST by Fzob (Jesus + anything = nothing, Jesus + nothing = everything)
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To: Libloather
Here's my SNL skit scene;

A well spoken clean cut man is being interviewed from the boiler room where techies (backs to the cam) are working away in silence at keyboards.

The questioning is drivel and innocuous and a techie in the background shouts, "DAMN!" and gets up and storms out of the room in frustration

All the other techies mechanically shift from their chairs into another chair and the gap of the techie that just left is filled in

The questioning (and equally stupid answering) continues and a techie shouts "What the HELL !??!", gets up, throws a paper cup of coffee at the screen, electrical short circuit, techies rise, a new techie comes in with another computer, everyone sits back down and continues "fixing lucifercare"

etc

8 posted on 11/14/2013 3:20:33 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Fzob

I agree there. Start the messaging and hang this albatross around every Rats neck.


9 posted on 11/14/2013 3:22:55 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: DeaconRed

The answer is clear.

Replace Obamacare with Hillarycare. /s


10 posted on 11/14/2013 3:33:51 AM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: joshua c

Hillarycare is just like Obamacare, except that instead of just passing it to find out what’s in it you also have to dig it out of the shredder bin and tape it back together.


11 posted on 11/14/2013 3:39:48 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tobyhill

Start the messaging and add to it the other prominent lies. Tie in Benghazi. Let’s see clips of Joe Wilson at the SOTU address - he had the guts to call it way back then.


12 posted on 11/14/2013 3:53:27 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: MestaMachine
Wait, what? When did Mary leave the Democrat Party and become R?
See! I'm always the last to be told!!
13 posted on 11/14/2013 3:56:38 AM PST by stormhill (Guns Save Lives!)
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To: Libloather

The message out of every GOP congressman’s mouth should be “It cannot be fixed. It must be repealed.”


14 posted on 11/14/2013 4:01:12 AM PST by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: Libloather

There is no saving this monstrous mistake. If the Democrats were smart, they’d get together asap and take the lead to repeal it and put the whole thing and put it back the way it was - just pay for the small number who were lacking insurance. By the time the next election came around, the whole thing would be forgotten ancient history. The Dems could even convince people that it was they who took the lead in repealing a plan that a group of “Wall Street Tycoons” had fooled them with.


15 posted on 11/14/2013 4:06:05 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Libloather
The Obamacare “Fix” Scam

When Bill Clinton speaks, Democrats listen. But Bill Clinton, as we know all too well, is not an honest broker. He does what’s best for himself first, people also named Clinton second – and, if there is time left, others.

But he still has high approval ratings and is a fundraising machine for Democrats, which means they listen to him. So when he came out this week and said, “I personally believe, even if it takes a change to the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got” about the millions of Americans losing their health insurance thanks to Obamacare, it was a watershed moment.

It could be the straw that at least starts to break the camel’s back. But, if some Republicans get their way, it won’t be.

Support in Congress from Democrats for these “if you like your plan you can keep it” bills is growing. The biggest defection from the White House line came when Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., said she would co-sponsor legislation Sen. Mary Landrieu, R-La., is pushing that will allow people who’ve lost coverage they like to keep it. Landrieu is up of re-election next year in a red state, so her motives are clear. Feinstein isn’t, and even if she were she could execute puppies on live TV and still win by 20 points.

But there are a couple of problems here.

First, Feinstein isn’t just coming at this from some altruistic perspective. Although she is safe in her position, her position is much worse if Republicans re-take the Senate next year. Progressives such as Feinstein knew millions would lose their coverage in the individual market, and millions more will lose their employer-provided coverage in coming years. It was all part of the plan. Government can’t completely take over health care at once, so it takes baby-steps. Feinstein knows this. She’s not looking to help people; she’s looking to help the cause.

Obamacare is supposed to fail – it’s just supposed to take a few years as opposed to a few days. They thought if private insurance companies start to fold or if costs skyrocket five or 10 years down the road, progressives could say, “Well, we tried a private-sector solution and it didn’t work. Now we need to move to a single-payer system.” That would place the blame on greedy corporations for setting up a framework that couldn’t work and let government emerge as the hero coming to the rescue.

But the horse has dropped dead right out of the gate – too soon for it to be blamed on the private sector. And blame will go where it deserves - to the government. If people decide government can’t even set up a semi-private system of health insurance, they are unlikely to let it run the whole system.

This is progressive’s biggest fear. It has to be avoided. Hence, Landrieu’s legislation.

But Landrieu’s legislation is a classic example of symbolism over substance. The title, “The Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act,” is classic Washington. Name a bill something warm and fuzzy so people can’t vote against it. But the promise is hollow.

Those cancelled plans are gone – killed by Obamacare. And most of them are not coming back.

Healthcare law, in spite of how it’s portrayed, is not something simple that a bill can make or break on a whim. Each state has regulatory boards that oversee all the plans in their states. Plans have to be submitted to prove they meet with each state’s mandates, etc. More than that, there are contracts with doctors, hospitals and all manner of other vendors, and all that can’t be undone on a moment’s notice. There are too many moving parts, laws and regulations.

In a way, the progressives’ regulatory state is the biggest hurdle to altering the progressive regulatory state to save the progressives regulatory state. It’s karma. But it’s also a scam.

If Landrieu’s legislation, or any like it proposed by either Democrats and Republicans, become law, it won’t bring back anyone’s canceled plans. It may save some people who are still months away from their plans being canceled, but even that is doubtful. But what it will do is provide cover to Democrats feeling the crush of their constituents’ anger. They’ll be able to say, “We tried, but those insurance companies wouldn’t bring back those plans because they’re greedy.” The media coverage would follow, and we’d be exactly where we are now, only with the “problem solved.”

Republicans need to not fall for this. Democrats and the White House knew what they were doing when they passed Obamacare. They knew people would lose their coverage and they did it anyway. They did it on purpose because they need at least 7 million people to enter the Obamacare exchanges and pay full-freight. Since people wouldn’t have voluntarily left plans they liked and enter the exchanges, they had to be forced to if they wanted insurance. Simple. Evil, but simple.

But what Democrats didn’t plan for was for people to be so thoroughly angry about losing their plans, paying more to replace them and – indignity on top of indignities – to encounter a dysfunctional website when they set about trying to find new insurance.

That cover they’re seeking is not actual policy change cover – it’s cosmetic. If the Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act becomes law that will mean problem solved for the Democrats. This affects only about 5 million people so far, so most Americans – who are not affected – would move on, assuming the worst of ACA had been “fixed.” But it hasn’t been fixed, and it can’t be so long as Obamacare is in place.

There is no going back; there’s only going forward. And going forward means the collapse and/or overwhelming rejection of Obamacare by voters next year if Republicans don’t fall for this cosmetic “fix.”

Bill Clinton said “the federal government” made this commitment to the American people, but it didn’t. President Obama did, Democrats did. The American people remember that, and will remember that, unless Republicans take partial ownership of this mess by supporting feel-good but meaningless cosmetic legislation designed to limp this monster past the next election cycle. They shouldn’t do it.

16 posted on 11/14/2013 4:11:06 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: knarf

No. No. An SNL skit would involve Nick Burns, the company computer guy trying to fix it and giving up.


17 posted on 11/14/2013 4:16:36 AM PST by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: Libloather

MAYBE YOU DEMS SHOULD HAVE READ THE BILL BEFORE YOU PASSED IT! IIRC, the Landrieu Bill will only ‘fix’ the Law for a year. Then after the 2014 election we will all be funneled into Obamacare anyway. Does anyone know for sure?


18 posted on 11/14/2013 4:19:41 AM PST by originalbuckeye (Never yieldbkmk to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: Kaslin

The horse dropped dead right out of the gate.

Great line


19 posted on 11/14/2013 4:21:39 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: tobyhill

“The GOP should be in no hurry to do anything. Let enough suffering begin to make sure the Libs never get a chance to do this again.”

The libs are in the process of minting millions more Free-Government-Sh*t voters through expanded Medicaid programs and subsidized plans. Every minute that the Republicans sit on their hands we get closer to a point where no amount of outrage from productive citizens will make any difference at the ballot box.

The House voted to overturn Obamacare over 40 times when there was no chance it would make any difference. Now when such an effort might succeed we’re debating how best to “fix” Obamacare.


20 posted on 11/14/2013 4:27:17 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: Fzob; tobyhill

——The GOP should be in no hurry to do anything——

The presumption is that something can be done.

The category 7 storm is 150 miles off shore headed straight to Miami. All those condos and buildings all at waters edge are going to catch hell. In the short term, there is nothing that can be done to prevent the havoc.

So it is with health care in America. The Obamacare hurricane is only 45 days away. It is right at hand. There is no prevention of the certain very widespread damage that is pretty much known by all.

Nothing can be done in the short term. The run on Walmart for batteries, milk, bread, spam and soup will begin in about two weeks. There is no recourse but to batten down the hatches and ride out the storm.


21 posted on 11/14/2013 4:33:57 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Fzob
Right now there are millions of LIV that ware just now discovering how screwed they are.

Went to a 'Benefits Change' meeting yesterday and observed the slack-jawed, vein-popped expressions of angry disbelief on the faces of these LIV voters.

'Twas a thing of beauty.

22 posted on 11/14/2013 4:34:41 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Low-information voter (Def.) Too stupid to know, too lazy to care.)
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To: Libloather
Democrat support for proliferating “if you like your plan you can keep it” bills is growing. The biggest defection is Sen. Diane Feinstein, Dimwit-Calif., who will co-sponsor legislation Sen. Mary Landrieu, Dimwit-La, is pushing to allow people who’ve lost coverage to keep it.

THIS JUST IN--DIMWIT LANDRIEU SINGLEHANDEDLY REPEALS OBAMACARE Liberal website TPM flayed Mary Landrieu's ass-covering "keep your plan" legislation, that her "solution" -- backed by Di/Fi and other desperate Dimwits-- actually undermines Obama's signature legislation:

"...she's saying you can keep your health plan forever if you like it, but that basically (1) repeals Obama's market reforms....(2) allows people to buy a defective govt-unapproved product..... (3) segments the risk pool with respect for coverage...(4) disrupts the premiums set by insurers because a chunk of their expected customers would no longer be enrolling in Obama's govt-approved marketplaces."

23 posted on 11/14/2013 4:48:38 AM PST by Liz
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To: Libloather

This is the best explanation of exactly where we are and what needs to be done. Great analysis.

“Don’t try to fix it. You can’t. Let it die.”


24 posted on 11/14/2013 4:50:34 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Libloather

They all refused to read it before they “deemed it passed” and now they claim to have been blindsided. If the MSM (or maybe a Cruz or Lee) bring this to the forefront, we can attach Obama’s lies to all of them and add some weight to the anchor that is tugging at them.


25 posted on 11/14/2013 4:51:23 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Old Yeller

Swearing, destroying, throwing things around and walking off pissed off ... being replaced by another sycophantic zombie ... over and over ... never fixing a thing ... is funnier.


26 posted on 11/14/2013 5:57:27 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: tobyhill
The republicans should follow Cruz and Lee's calls for repeal. If they delay this or support a cosmetic fix they are letting democrats off the hook and putting themselves on it. We will see how stupid the republicans are.
27 posted on 11/14/2013 6:22:38 AM PST by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags of All Colors)
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To: SC_Pete; Kaslin; tobyhill; Libloather

28 posted on 11/14/2013 7:33:29 AM PST by 4Liberty (Mr President 'If you Like your college transcripts...can we see them?')
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