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Video: Liz Cheney endorses traditional marriage, sparking war of words with gay sister
Hotair ^ | 11/18/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 11/18/2013 9:49:51 AM PST by SeekAndFind

I’m tempted to call this a clever Cheney family ploy to burnish Liz’s conservative credentials ahead of her primary against Mike Enzi, except … Enzi’s opposed to gay marriage too. It may help her pass a tea-party litmus test but it doesn’t actually gain her anything against the incumbent. On the contrary, all the attention to this subject is likely to remind Wyoming conservatives not only that the Cheney family is notably pro-gay among Republican royalty — Dick Cheney’s other daughter is herself married to a woman — but that Liz herself was widely assumed to be pro-SSM based on things she’s said in the past. Either (a) everyone misunderstood her position before, (b) she’s an exceedingly rare example of someone who used to support gay marriage but has since “evolved” in the other direction, or (c) her endorsement of traditional marriage on “Fox News Sunday” is just an empty pander to tea partiers.

Here’s Heather Poe, who’s married to Liz’s sister Mary, responding to her opposition of SSM yesterday on Facebook. I wonder which of the three explanations above she favors.

I was watching my sister-in-law on Fox News Sunday (yes Liz, in fifteen states and the District of Columbia you are my sister-in-law) and was very disappointed to hear her say “I do believe in the traditional definition of marriage.”

Liz has been a guest in our home, has spent time and shared holidays with our children, and when Mary and I got married in 2012 – she didn’t hesitate to tell us how happy she was for us.

To have her now say she doesn’t support our right to marry is offensive to say the least

I can’t help but wonder how Liz would feel if as she moved from state to state, she discovered that her family was protected in one but not the other.

I always thought freedom meant freedom for EVERYONE.

Mary Cheney, Liz’s sister and Poe’s spouse, replied, “Couldn’t have said it better myself.” Legit sibling feud or campaign charade aimed at highlighting Liz’s ostensible social conservatism? The NYT thinks it’s the former:

The situation has deteriorated so much that the two sisters have not spoken since the summer, and the quarrel threatens to get in the way of something former Vice President Dick Cheney desperately wants — a United States Senate seat for Liz…

People who have spoken to Liz Cheney say she is irritated that her sister is making their dispute public and believes it is hypocritical for Mary Cheney to take such a hard line now, given that she worked for the re-election of President Bush, an opponent of same-sex marriage…

Mary Cheney, 44, said in a phone interview Sunday that she presumed her sister shared her father’s views on marriage, and that view was reinforced because Liz Cheney “was always very supportive” of her relationship with Ms. Poe and the couple’s two children. She learned otherwise in August when Liz Cheney declared, shortly after announcing her Senate candidacy, that she was opposed to same-sex marriage rights. Mary Cheney said it is now “impossible” for the sisters to reconcile as long as Liz Cheney maintains that position.

“What amazes me is that she says she’s running to be a new generation of leader,” Mary Cheney said, citing her 47-year-old sister’s slogan in her campaign against Mr. Enzi, 69. “I’m not sure how sticking to the positions of the last 20 or 30 years is the best way to do that.”

That last paragraph is the killer, since one of Liz’s big headaches in the primary is reassuring primary voters that she’s a bona fide conservative and a bona fide Wyomingite. Enzi and his surrogates, like Rand Paul, have needled her about her east-coast pedigree, knowing that calling her authenticity into question on one point may lead voters to question it on the other. Liz’s counter to all that is that the Senate needs new blood; now here comes Mary Cheney to question whether Liz’s supposed advantage over Enzi — youth and fresh thinking — is much of an advantage after all. Result: Some social-con voters may doubt whether Liz is really as much a supporter of traditional marriage as she says and others may doubt whether she’s really that much different from Enzi. Not a good place to be — especially with Enzi getting good press lately for his early skepticism of ObamaCare and reaching out to tea partiers by publishing op-eds at sites widely read by grassroots conservatives.

Here’s what she said yesterday, and beneath it is what she said in 2009. She never explicitly says in the latter that she supports legalizing gay marriage, but she does say that her “family” endorses the idea that “freedom means freedom for everyone” — the very words that Poe threw back at her in yesterday’s Facebook post. Draw your own conclusions about what her position was at the time.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: 2014midterms; cheney2014; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; lizcheney; mikeenzi; wyoming
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So, who does mom and dad side with?
1 posted on 11/18/2013 9:49:51 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Liz is mouthing whatever words she thinks she needs to mouth to become a Senate RINO.
2 posted on 11/18/2013 9:51:44 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone help me out here. Isn’t it possible to have friends and family who are “gay”, but, still want them to find happiness in life? But at the same time, still not want to change the definition of marriage???

Isn’t it possible that Liz Cheney loves her sister in spite of homosexuality, wants her sister to be happy in life, but at the same time, doesn’t kowtow to the liberal homosexual agenda??? Is that an irreconciliable difference????


3 posted on 11/18/2013 9:53:09 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind
I feel sorry for Liz. I think she has tried to be respectful towards her sister, but it would appear that her sister, like many homosexual activists are very strident, lacking in demeanor, and easily enraged.

Good luck with that. I fear her sister will make it her mission in life to derail Liz's bid.

4 posted on 11/18/2013 9:53:16 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

I’m not buying this for a minute. Her parents are 100% for “gay marriage”, and so is Liz. She is posing as anti-SSM to win over social conservatives. Once in office she would “evolve” on the issue and switch back. She is dead in the polls and desperate.


5 posted on 11/18/2013 9:56:53 AM PST by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

RE: Isn’t it possible that Liz Cheney loves her sister in spite of homosexuality, wants her sister to be happy in life, but at the same time, doesn’t kowtow to the liberal homosexual agenda??? Is that an irreconciliable difference????

No it is not. However, we must understand that to gays, it is not a matter of leaving them alone to pursue whatever relationships they want... they want EVERYONE to celebrate their lifestyle and call it NORMAL ( that includes the religiously devout ).


6 posted on 11/18/2013 9:57:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

She will “evolve” on this issue if she wins the nomination and I think everyone knows it


7 posted on 11/18/2013 9:59:04 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: SeekAndFind

Should be a fun Thanksgiving at the Cheneys this year.


8 posted on 11/18/2013 9:59:52 AM PST by Argus
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To: Obadiah

Maybe her sister can get on the ballot and run against her?

heh


9 posted on 11/18/2013 10:00:28 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Argus

OH can you imagine that Thanksgiving dinner with Cheneys LOL!


10 posted on 11/18/2013 10:03:00 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: SeekAndFind
Who keeps bringing this up over and over?

It is what it is. Everybody knows that the sister is gay and does not agree with Liz. Liz says that she loves her sister but does not agree with her lifestyle.

Is this somehow a factor in her race for the senate seat?
Are there some Fred Phelps' supporters in the crowd?

11 posted on 11/18/2013 10:03:49 AM PST by oldbrowser (The debt limit is the emergency brake on government spending)
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To: GeronL

RE: She will “evolve” on this issue if she wins the nomination and I think everyone knows it

Are you telling me that this “feud” is for show and they are winking at each other after taping is over?


12 posted on 11/18/2013 10:04:47 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: GeronL

Don’t know why not - neither of them have lived in Wyoming...


13 posted on 11/18/2013 10:06:33 AM PST by stormer
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To: GeronL
She will “evolve” on this issue if she wins the nomination...

Then I don't think we need to worry about it.

14 posted on 11/18/2013 10:07:27 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Liz is posing for the primary.


15 posted on 11/18/2013 10:09:30 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Dilbert, I think this entire kerfuffle is just another example of homosexuals trying to make homosexuality the sine qua non of elective politics. They seem to be the most relentlessly self-absorbed people in the nation; and, yes, I know that is saying a lot, given the high profile race-baiting we have endured over the last few decades. They seem to have never understood that tolerance does not require affirmation, that it’s perfectly reasonable to be nice to people with whom you passionately disagree, but then again, such willful denial is part and parcel of victim-hood, isn’t it?


16 posted on 11/18/2013 10:11:22 AM PST by Old North State
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To: Dilbert San Diego; Impy
>> Someone help me out here. Isn’t it possible to have friends and family who are “gay”, but, still want them to find happiness in life? But at the same time, still not want to change the definition of marriage??? Isn’t it possible that Liz Cheney loves her sister in spite of homosexuality, wants her sister to be happy in life, but at the same time, doesn’t kowtow to the liberal homosexual agenda??? <<

I will be glad to help you out here.

Yes, it's certainly possible for someone to love a family member who is gay and have a good relationship with them, and want them to be happy -- but never-the-less not believe in gay marriage or to accept the relationship that they're in is a "marriage". A number of conservative politicians are in situations like that.

However, in Liz Cheney's case, this did not occur. Liz Cheney whole-heartily supported her sister's gay marriage at the time it happened, and has spent the last four years applauding every single advance of the "gay rights" movement, whether it personally involves her sister or not (gays serving openly in the military, etc.). Apparently Liz Cheney feels you have to support 100% of the gay rights agenda so she wouldn't hurt poor Mary's feelings.

Her sudden flip-flop now that she's running for the U.S. Senate is a staunchly conservative state won't change her history on this issue. Most likely, she continues to applaud her sister's gay "marriage" in private, while publicly claiming otherwise.

17 posted on 11/18/2013 10:15:01 AM PST by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Whatever the two women have, it’s not a marriage. And Liz is not that woman’s SIL and never will be.


18 posted on 11/18/2013 10:15:41 AM PST by Heart of Georgia
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To: Dilbert San Diego

My SIL is gay and is “married.” Our family loves these 2 women, our kids love them, but just because we want them to be happy and not lonely doesn’t mean we support their lifestyle or SSM.

It’s the gays who make this a zero sum game and demand total surrender to their agenda.


19 posted on 11/18/2013 10:18:47 AM PST by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: SeekAndFind

mary-cheney-heather-poe-ap_296

mary-cheney-marries

Cheney is the blond one.

20 posted on 11/18/2013 10:20:00 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: SeekAndFind

could be


21 posted on 11/18/2013 10:20:29 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You would think so but that’s not the tactic of the gay rights movement. The left creates a ‘false choice’: i.e. allow same sex alignments OR be a hater; allow free birth control Or be a hater; allow single payer socialized medicine OR... you get the idea.


22 posted on 11/18/2013 10:21:08 AM PST by madameguinot
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To: SeekAndFind
>> Are you telling me that this “feud” is for show and they are winking at each other after taping is over <<

It certainly wouldn't surprise me. Liz had no qualms about accepting Heather as Mary's "wife" in the past, and will probably be celebrating their "marriage" and the children's "two mommies" the next time she's over at their house. To now claim she's "standing up for traditional marriage" even though it "upsets" her sister plays right into her campaign image as a courageous "fighter".

23 posted on 11/18/2013 10:21:27 AM PST by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: oldbrowser
>> Liz says that she loves her sister but does not agree with her lifestyle. <<

In 2013, she does. From 2007-2012, she was all for celebrating it, and said so publicly on multiple occasions.

24 posted on 11/18/2013 10:24:10 AM PST by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liz Cheney has been pushing gay marriage, and homosexualizing the military for years, she supports the state department gay marriage actions, she opposed DOMA and a constitutional amendment, she has never, during all of her years of politics and TV appearances, including joining the Romney campaign in 2008, ever voiced a pro-life position, until this campaign.

Suddenly, to hide years of Liz advocating for gay marriage, suddenly the Cheneys have their first public feud, getting out the news that they are fighting over gay marriage because Liz is against it.

This Romney campaigning 101.

Unlike Enzi, the 46-year-old daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney supports the right for states to legalize gay marriage. At least that’s what she said in 2009, in an interview with MSNBC, of all places. At that was a time when the notion of same-sex marriage had considerably less support.

And that has even Daily Kos writer Scott Welch offering at least limited praise for Liz Cheney. Cheney, Welch writes:

“”Well, look I think, you know, my family has been very clear about this, that we think freedom means freedom for everybody and that this is an issue that states have to decide for themselves.””

“”She went on to reiterate opposition to a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, expressed support for the State Department’s extension of benefits to same-sex couples, and said, ‘I think it’s wrong to discriminate, in those relationships, based on someone’s sexual preference.’ Additionally, she supported repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.””


25 posted on 11/18/2013 10:25:38 AM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d love to have the intelligent, articulate voice of conservatism that Liz Cheney brings to the national media. I’ve never heard Enzi speak in public or on the Sunday morning shows, so he really hasn’t been helping the cause as much as Liz Cheney could, especially with women and young people.


26 posted on 11/18/2013 10:26:16 AM PST by MNnice
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To: MNnice
I’d love to have the intelligent, articulate voice of conservatism that Liz Cheney brings to the national media.

Then let her rejoin Fox News and continue her career as a commentator.

27 posted on 11/18/2013 10:29:03 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: dennisw
"Cheney is the blond one."

In the immortal words of Austin Powers....

That's a man baby!!!!
28 posted on 11/18/2013 10:29:43 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: ansel12
Liz Cheney: "I AM FOR TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE ...."


29 posted on 11/18/2013 10:30:24 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: dennisw

Cheny’s “mate” is one nasty looking dude.


30 posted on 11/18/2013 10:33:26 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: ChocChipCookie

“My SIL is gay and is “married.” Our family loves these 2 women, our kids love them, but just because we want them to be happy and not lonely doesn’t mean we support their lifestyle or SSM.”

Bingo. I hope Liz wins just to spite that femi-leza-nazi.


31 posted on 11/18/2013 10:44:44 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: SeekAndFind

“To have her now say she doesn’t support our right to marry is offensive to say the least”

so she believes in your right to stay together as a couple, and maybe she even supports or would support civil partnership laws so that as a couple they can protect their common and shared interests as married couples do, but she just doesn’t think any of that requires we redefine marriage, in law or socially


32 posted on 11/18/2013 10:50:15 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli
>> so she believes in your right to stay together as a couple, and maybe she even supports or would support civil partnership laws so that as a couple they can protect their common and shared interests as married couples do, but she just doesn’t think any of that requires we redefine marriage, in law or socially <<

Funny she didn't say that at the time. She was more than happy to celebrate Mary's "marriage" at the time and give it her blessing, but now retroactively says she doesn't believe in it.

33 posted on 11/18/2013 11:07:22 AM PST by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

No, you’re right.

I don’t believe Lynne Cheney supports same-sex marriage, either.


34 posted on 11/18/2013 11:27:27 AM PST by Andy'smom
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To: Andy'smom

Dick and Lynne Cheney both affirmed their support for gay marriage on The View:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/dick-and-lynne-cheney-support-gay-marriage-on-the


35 posted on 11/18/2013 12:00:14 PM PST by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: MNnice
I’d love to have the intelligent, articulate voice of conservatism that Liz Cheney brings to the national media.

That could be part of the purpose of Liz, to counter conservative females like Palin.

Liz Cheney would be a conservative sounding female voice, yet as a rino Romney supporter type, she is liberal on social issues, being pro-choice and strongly pro-gay agenda.

36 posted on 11/18/2013 12:44:58 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: Wuli

See post 25.


37 posted on 11/18/2013 12:47:11 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Cheney family is a political unit, and this charade shames and reveals the entire family as lacking moral fiber, no wonder they are all so lefty on the gay agenda.


38 posted on 11/18/2013 12:50:33 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: BillyBoy
In 2013, she does. From 2007-2012, she was all for celebrating it, and said so publicly on multiple occasions.

And to what degree does that affect your decision when choosing a senator?
Is that the most important thing? number five or number fifty?

39 posted on 11/18/2013 1:08:59 PM PST by oldbrowser (The debt limit is the emergency brake on government spending)
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To: SeekAndFind

We were making too much progress with this Obamacare fiasco.

Time for an “Own Goal” on social-issue bullsh!t...


40 posted on 11/18/2013 1:14:43 PM PST by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: oldbrowser

Traditional marriage is the basic building block of society. If a Senator does not respect that or understand it, and votes for legislation to say otherwise, they have no business serving in the U.S. Senate and electing them to serve will cause irreversible harm to our nation as they support legislation that further deteriorates families and children from being raised by a mother and a father. Mike Enzi understands this and Liz Cheney does not.


41 posted on 11/18/2013 1:15:31 PM PST by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: stormer
"neither of them have lived in Wyoming..."

Cheney attended elementary school and Junior High in Casper, Wyoming. The family split time between Casper and Washington DC in the 1970s through the '80s following her father's election to Congress.

42 posted on 11/18/2013 5:29:22 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; NVDave; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; sickoflibs

Yup.

I flat out don’t believe her and envy those that do, I wish could be that innocent and naive. She’s in desperation mode.

Even though all indications are that she’s getting clobbered, given the idiocy that just happened in the Louisiana special House election (where a RINO fooled some Tea party supporters into voting for him over the “establishment” candidate, a strong conservative) I can’t help but still be worried. I presume morons like Mark Levin are still pimping her candidacy.


43 posted on 11/19/2013 12:49:10 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy; E. Pluribus Unum; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; NVDave; fieldmarshaldj
RE :”I flat out don’t believe her and envy those that do, I wish could be that innocent and naive. She’s in desperation mode.”

Here's what I posted on a similar thread this morning:

There is zero reason to trust the Cheney’s on this. This public spat looks manufactured.

Dick Cheney has already come out for end to DADT and for same sex marriage now he is pulling a Kerry to help Liz get elected. The lesbo isnt running for anything so they can make believe they are throwing her under the bus..

:

44 posted on 11/19/2013 1:08:53 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Impy; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; NFHale; sickoflibs

“She’s in desperation mode.”

Great summary.


45 posted on 11/19/2013 6:17:40 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Impy; AuH2ORepublican; NVDave; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; sickoflibs

Yep. I pretty much summed it up the same way in posts #17 and #23.

I’m surprised that there are a number of gullible freepers on this thread who seem to believe Liz Cheney has always opposed gay marriage and now has a sincere falling out with her sister because of her Senate race. Of course, those of us who have followed her actions from 2007-2012 know her latest position doesn’t gel with that.

It isn’t even just the gay marriage issue, her beliefs on “gay rights” across the board have been reliably liberal for years (have to agree with Mary 100%, dontsa know). The latest example being the Senate bill to make it a federal law that anyone who is “openly gay” can get their employer punished if they were fire from their job and claim it was because they were “gay” (even if that had nothing to do with the reason). The bill got 10 GOP votes and would have received 11 if Cheney was in the Senate.

I don’t think it will have much of an effect with Wyoming GOP voters (especially since Enzi is still popular and has always been a reliable conservative vote there), but Impy makes a decent case that you can never been sure with conservative talking heads like Levin still pushing her candidacy. Interestingly enough, the national liberal media is with them on this and is trying to frame the primary election as “establishment Enzi vs. more conservative tea party challenger Liz Cheney”, if for no other reason than to waste conservative resources in Wyoming and create a news story where none exists. In both cases, no one who has made the claim that Liz Cheney is the “more conservative” candidate has been able to cite a single example where her track record is clearly more conservative than Enzi’s. They just hope that people will believe it if they say it enough times.


46 posted on 11/20/2013 12:36:44 PM PST by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: BillyBoy; E. Pluribus Unum; Impy; AuH2ORepublican; NVDave; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA
RE :”I’m surprised that there are a number of gullible freepers on this thread who seem to believe Liz Cheney has always opposed gay marriage and now has a sincere falling out with her sister because of her Senate race. Of course, those of us who have followed her actions from 2007-2012 know her latest position doesn’t gel with that.”

How about this...

maybe she's sincerely seen the errors of her past ways and its just coincidental that she's in this GOP primary trying to act like the most conservative......or...

Her dad Dick has publicly sided with her on this tiff and yet he is for gay marriage and for ending DADT both.

And he just happens to make a comment on TV show about Tea party being a positive force in this country WOWing many here, then when asked by Rush about shutdown to defund Obamacare he pretty much said it was a bad idea. )

This is pretty easy to detect stuff.

47 posted on 11/20/2013 12:49:58 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs
Politicians always lied, but now they are required to lie about everything at all times.
48 posted on 11/20/2013 12:52:06 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I just think Liz and Dick are putting on a show to get her the nomination.

Dick and Liz's only GOP like interest up till now is defense, Iran, etc, and liberal on gay stuff.

now suddenly they are making so-con statements?

Puh-lease

49 posted on 11/20/2013 12:56:41 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: SeekAndFind

If you’re a woman, you’re not married unless you have a HUSBAND.

And if a man, you’re not married unless you have a WIFE.


50 posted on 01/06/2014 12:39:04 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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