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Deutsch's Fear: Failed Obamacare Will Set Big Government Back 'For A Generation'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 11/19/2013 6:48:42 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

After my animated description of President Obama's strangely listless conference call of yesterday, my wonderful wife encouraged me to be kind.

So let me say something sympathetic about Donny Deutsch. Sure, he's a member of the Manhattan/Hamptons liberal axis. But I sense he's more of a old-fashioned Dem, someone, for example, who embraces American exceptionalism. So when on today's Morning Joe the adman admitted that the Obamacare failure might set back progressive government for an entire generation, it's noteworthy. Adding to liberal heartburn, Howard Fineman later said "I sort of agree with Donny" and that Obamacare could be a "huge disaster for Democrats."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; donnydeutsch; howardfineman; obamacare
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1 posted on 11/19/2013 6:48:42 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

What will Dems do if they conclude Deutsch is right? Ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 11/19/2013 6:49:20 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This morning I realize the MSM has suddenly pivoted away from calling it Obamacare towards the Affordable Care Act.

My read on that is the Dems are attempting to de-couple it from Obama’s ego so that he’ll be less resistant when they finally shut the door and demand that he sign a repeal bill.


3 posted on 11/19/2013 6:52:56 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

It looks like Obamas second term agenda has been flushed down the tiolet:

Gun safety(control)
Immigration(amnesty)
Minimum wage
Unemployment comp
Preschool funding

His going out campaigning for these isnt worth a crap anymore.


4 posted on 11/19/2013 6:53:25 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Looks like the wheels are coming offfffffff!!!!!


5 posted on 11/19/2013 6:53:32 AM PST by refermech
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

There is no health care in Obamacare. That should be obvious by now.


6 posted on 11/19/2013 6:54:27 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Dem should be very worried about another shoe/boot dropping on Obamacare. Its like in a boxing match when one of the fighters is wobbling; at that point it doesn’t take much to put him down on the canvass for good. Obamacare could be a knockout punch.

For the Dems it would be wise to follow the old Wall Street tactic of cutting your losses.


7 posted on 11/19/2013 6:55:31 AM PST by Starboard
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Only a generation? I was hoping forever.


8 posted on 11/19/2013 6:55:48 AM PST by aquila48
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Why isn’t anybody on our side saying this is the greatest thing for the advancement of liberty and freedom since Reagan was elected? Maybe because most Republicans are secretly dictator-wannabes and support the despot? Why is it that hardly anybody talks of liberty and freedom these days (except Limbaugh, Levin, Palin, Cruz and Lee)?


9 posted on 11/19/2013 6:55:49 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I wish.
But Obamacare or no, I don’t see any backpedaling.
Hell, the Commie/pinko/Liberals have actually bought into the idea that the ‘Pubbies sabotaged Obamacare.


10 posted on 11/19/2013 6:56:23 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

My hope is that this will provide a valuable “Teachable Moment” for Americans, as to how ultimately Big Government always fails.


11 posted on 11/19/2013 6:57:41 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

They’re all about forcing their ideology on the rest of us,
but when the obvious [to us] failure of that ideology comes to light,

they run from it, try to back it off, and force it on us more slowly, like it will work then.


12 posted on 11/19/2013 6:59:34 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: aquila48

No doubt it’s in need of a serious reset if nothing else. The friggin’ rules and regs associated with obiecare dwarf the original bill. Who really knows all of it? NOBODY!


13 posted on 11/19/2013 7:00:13 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: Little Ray

Leftists will always blame the “counterrevolutionaries” for the failure of leftist/Marxist policy.


14 posted on 11/19/2013 7:00:28 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Using words to manipulate society is a tactic the nazis used.

"the language of the 3rd reich" (Lingua Tertii Imperii) By Victor Klemperer

In the book Klemperer details how the nazis manipulated the German language to nudge the German people to become more accepting of nazi ideals.

From Wiki

Lingua Tertii Imperii studies the way that Nazi propaganda altered the German language to inculcate people with National-Socialist ideas. The book was written under the form of personal notes which Klemperer wrote in his diary, especially from the rise of the Nazi regime in 1933, and even more after 1935, when Klemperer, stripped of his academic title because he was Jewish (under the Nuremberg Laws), had to work in a factory and started to use his diary as a personal exit to his frustrating and miserable life.

LTI demonstrates how a new language came to be naturally spoken by most of the population. On the reverse, the text also emphasizes the idea that resistance to oppression begins by questioning the constant use of buzzwords. Both the book and its author unexpectedly survived the war. LTI was first published in 1947 in Germany.

It underlines odd constructions of words intended to give a "scientific" or neutral aspect to otherwise heavily engaged discourses, as well as significant every-day behaviour.

LTI – Lingua Tertii Imperii

15 posted on 11/19/2013 7:02:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Indeed. My Schadenfreude titre over all of this is off the charts.
16 posted on 11/19/2013 7:03:52 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

I wouldn’t call it “shameful” to take joy in the downfall of evil...


17 posted on 11/19/2013 7:04:46 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The more accurate title for the ACA is National Socialist healthcare rationing. The glitch-filled rollout and the one year delay are just diversions from the real point of National Socialist healthcare: total control of the unruly peasants via the federal government's total discretion to set premiums and offer or refuse health services. This will go beyond a "chilling effect" to killing American freedom. We already saw this abuse with the IRS targeting conservative groups before the 2012 election, so don't tell me it won't happen. (Incidentally, political misuse of the IRS was one of the articles of impeachment against Nixon.)

Here is how the "progressives" will misuse National Socialist healthcare. This is what they will say: "Mr. Jones, I'm sorry but your daughter's operation has been cancelled. We have exceeded our quota for the year. Try to get on the list again next year...if she's still alive." This is what they will mean. "Mr. Jones, you are still being a bad comrade! Not only did you belong to a tea party group back in 2009, but you are still making anti-government comments on the internet. Maybe if you showed a more progressive attitude, your daughter might get that operation...."

That's why I call it National Socialist healthcare rationing: it will mean the end of American freedom. Who will risk appearing "anti-government" if I means the withholding of medical treatments from "bad comrades?"

Welcome to the USSA, comrades!

18 posted on 11/19/2013 7:08:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Sounds as if it could be s good idea.
19 posted on 11/19/2013 7:08:54 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

20 posted on 11/19/2013 7:09:02 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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21 posted on 11/19/2013 7:09:18 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: aquila48
Only a generation? I was hoping forever.

That will be on the Republicans. If they continue to elect politicians that want to "fix government", it will be a one or two presidents.

If they elect politicians that want to dismantle the Washington we have today back to it's constitutionally mandated limits, it could be for a many generations.

22 posted on 11/19/2013 7:10:30 AM PST by oldbrowser (The debt limit is the emergency brake on government spending)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The finest ingredients, the best packaging and brilliant promotion....except,

THE DOGS DON'T LIKE IT.

23 posted on 11/19/2013 7:10:46 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Starboard

“Dem should be very worried about another shoe/boot dropping on Obamacare.”

Next shoe: January when they all realize they can’t keep their doctors either.


24 posted on 11/19/2013 7:11:39 AM PST by Raebie (WS)
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To: refermech
If he were smart he would take this opportunity to resign, and hang it on the Republicans.
25 posted on 11/19/2013 7:12:20 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Why isn’t anybody on our side saying this is the greatest thing for the advancement of liberty and freedom since Reagan was elected? Maybe because most Republicans are secretly dictator-wannabes and support the despot? Why is it that hardly anybody talks of liberty and freedom these days (except Limbaugh, Levin, Palin, Cruz and Lee)?”

A wise candidate will realize he or she represents the entire electorate, no just the base.

There are people in the electorate that want Obamacare to work. Additionally, doing the happy dance will anger media members, sure they hate you, but why inspire them?

For those on “our side”, (I quote that because I’m more of a libertarian), it’s best to be statesman like. Let the bill collapse from it’s own weight. Then, offer plans to clean up the mess. Also known as governing.


26 posted on 11/19/2013 7:14:12 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: brownsfan

There are subtle ways to further the cause of freedom. Unfortunately, with most politicians, it’s so subtle it’s undetectable. Most, regardless of party, see to waft along the growing winds of tyranny and despotism.


27 posted on 11/19/2013 7:19:48 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Dem will do what dems do...

They’ll come up with a new ‘bait and switch’... Here’s how it will work:

Since insurance companies are in on the scam - Obama will add a bunch of new citizen groups to the gravy train - they’ll get ‘free’ insurance now (the bait) that they’ll lose in a year and have to pay for through the nose (the switch). Insurance companies get their money - citizens are shut up - and everything’s paid for by adding massively to the national debt.

People who were cancelled will get upgraded Obabmacare insurance for the same price as their old (inferior?) policy (the bait) and next year when there’s no one to fight for them, they’ll get the BILL (that will bankrupt some families - the switch). In the mean time to pay for these bribes, Obama will print and borrow more money - further weakening the economy.

Lucky for Obama the New York Times’ boys will be lined up on their knees ready to kiss Obama’s butt and they’ll ‘miss’ this scam just like they ‘missed’ all the other ones... Think ‘PRNewswire for the DNC’...


28 posted on 11/19/2013 7:21:04 AM PST by GOPJ (Was Obama giving nucluear information and equipment to Iran - through Benghazi?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

From their lips to God’s ears!


29 posted on 11/19/2013 7:22:04 AM PST by mort56
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To: MrB

Well, you’re right; but it usually covers personal joy in any one’s misfortune. But, point well-taken.


30 posted on 11/19/2013 7:23:20 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Two thousand pages of legislation, and 20 thousand pages of regulations, are too many pages for a big government instruction manual, or the manuals on how to use the manual.


31 posted on 11/19/2013 7:24:55 AM PST by pallis
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To: GOPJ

The current Obama/Dem playbook is soooo out of Atlas Shrugged, where the looters pull out another “bait and switch” to buy themselves a few more months, when it will be time for the next “bait & switch”, hopefully to get them through the next election.


32 posted on 11/19/2013 7:28:22 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: MrB

I don’t think he was.


33 posted on 11/19/2013 7:29:45 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: Guenevere

The “Shaden” part means “shameful”.


34 posted on 11/19/2013 7:30:32 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Raebie
My ENT doctor of 25 years.....who kept saying he was not ready for retirement, told me yesterday he would retire within 3 years if Obamacare takes over.
35 posted on 11/19/2013 7:31:33 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Sound like Germany in the 1930’s to you?

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203706604574374463280098676


36 posted on 11/19/2013 7:33:40 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

they wont stop, they will push for single payer, blaming the insurance companies...saying it should not have to be this complicated.


37 posted on 11/19/2013 7:35:21 AM PST by Irishguy
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To: MrB
Yeah, but it worrisome when it is your PhD in microbiology cousin-in-law. When hard science doctorates have invested so heavily in liberal tin-foil, we're in trouble.
38 posted on 11/19/2013 7:36:02 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Deutsch is a Douche.


39 posted on 11/19/2013 7:39:14 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Little Ray

I would bet, if you probed a bit, you’d find that this person is heavily invested in the righteous feeling he gets from advocating that everyone get healthcare.

Notice it’s not about the actual results, or the workability, but in the feeling you get for being a “good person who cares”.


40 posted on 11/19/2013 7:39:35 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Thanks!


41 posted on 11/19/2013 7:42:29 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: Buckeye McFrog
My read on that is the Dems are attempting to de-couple it from Obama’s ego ...

Democrats are changing the name so down the road they can blame this horror on Republicans. It's hard to blame something called "Obamacare" on the GOP... even if the suck-ups at the New York Times were willing to push it...

Watching the order of the MSM switch-over to the new name will tell us how high they jump when their dem master tell them to jump. I assume NBC and MSNBC have already switched to the 'Affordable Care' lie.

42 posted on 11/19/2013 7:51:48 AM PST by GOPJ (Was Obama giving nucluear information and equipment to Iran - through Benghazi?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I totally noticed that this weekend and thought so for the same reason. If any Freepers can get this idea to Levin, Hannity and Rush, it would be great.


43 posted on 11/19/2013 8:00:57 AM PST by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
What will Dems do if they conclude Deutsch is right?

Probably just continue to LIE as usual.

44 posted on 11/19/2013 8:04:51 AM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

It’s a good thing Romney lost, or this would be playing out very differently.


45 posted on 11/19/2013 8:05:19 AM PST by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

“Failed Obamacare Will Set Big Government Back ‘For A Generation’”

This is a reasonable expectation but with our loveable RINO’s/GOPe about to take charge, it’s a pipe dream. The GOP needs a good house cleaning as much as the Dems need to be put in their place, if that does not happen, then “What Difference Does It Make?”


46 posted on 11/19/2013 8:19:42 AM PST by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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To: aquila48

We must restore the Constitution.


47 posted on 11/19/2013 8:20:11 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Night Hides Not

Thugs seem to ‘happen upon’ the same tactics ... on the brighter side it makes it easier for us to spot ‘em...


48 posted on 11/19/2013 9:01:02 AM PST by GOPJ (Was Obama giving nucluear information and equipment to Iran - through Benghazi?)
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To: redfreedom
This is a reasonable expectation but with our loveable RINO’s/GOPe about to take charge, it’s a pipe dream.

The GOPe did such a wonderful job the last time they had the keys to the car.

49 posted on 11/19/2013 9:17:09 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

“huge disaster for Democrats.”

I sure hope Donny is right on this one!


50 posted on 11/19/2013 9:23:40 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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