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Warning All Churches [Homosexual infiltration]
Worldview Weekend ^ | October 27, 2013 | Ken Ham

Posted on 11/21/2013 1:41:36 PM PST by fwdude

Over this year, there have been a number of news reports on another movement in the church advocating for the acceptance of homosexual behavior and same-sex relationships. Matthew Vines, an openly homosexual 23-year-old student at Harvard University, posted a video on YouTube of a speech he gave on homosexuality and the Bible. In the talk, he claims repeatedly that God’s Word does not condemn monogamous same-sex relationships.

Now, a recent report from the Christian Post highlighted the amount of compromise happening within the church on this issue. The headline of the article explains, " 50 ‘Hand-Picked’ Christians Trained To Convince Churches To Re-Interpret Scripture’s Gay Boundaries.” Vines apparently hosted a training conference recently in his home state of Kansas for Christians who want to convince their churches to accept same-sex relationships.

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Don't ever let a homoGestapo member get away with trying to tell you that activist homosexuals don't care what churches believe or do. This proves that they want conquest even over the freedom of religion.
1 posted on 11/21/2013 1:41:37 PM PST by fwdude
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To: fwdude

The gaystapo have sent out their flying monkeys.


2 posted on 11/21/2013 1:44:13 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: fwdude

They want all out persecution of Christians. They’re determined - otherwise they would just attend their little homosexual accepting “churches” and leave everyone else alone.


3 posted on 11/21/2013 1:44:49 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: fwdude

To the gentleman quoted in the article:

Uh, dude, the Bible condemns ALL sexual relationships outside of marriage. And what’s more, marriage has always been and is now between man and woman, no matter what your buddies in the judiciary say, and also no matter what popular opinion is.

God reigns. You don’t. *Sunglasses* Deal with it.


4 posted on 11/21/2013 1:45:49 PM PST by Luircin
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To: Luircin

Jesus said the following things were wrong: divorce, adultery, lust, lying, stealing, gossiping, murdering, judging, envy, covetousness, etc. This requires many Christians to sit through some uncomfortable sermons if they attend a Bible believing church. So, homosexuals think they should get special treatment and not have their sin called out?

When my Pastor preaches a part of the Bible that demonstrates I fall short of God’s will, I say a prayer to God thanking Him for the grace He gives in Christ and ask for his help to turn from sin. The Bible tells us sin is our friend, it drives us to the cross of Christ. If I don’t sin, I don’t need a savior.

People who re-write the Bible to re-define sin, does the sinner no favor. The sin eliminated might be the one that drives that sinner to Christ. If I say what God calls sin is not sin, I prove that I hate God and the sinner. That is something I can never do. It would be better to commit the sin myself than to convince someone that that behavior is not a sin. God have mercy on us. Christ come soon.


5 posted on 11/21/2013 1:57:03 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

Amen, brother.


6 posted on 11/21/2013 2:03:08 PM PST by Luircin
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To: Truth is a Weapon
The Bible tells us sin is our friend, it drives us to the cross of Christ. If I don't sin, I don't need a Savior.

So is homosexual sin our friend too? If it weren't for their sin, fewer homosexuals would be driven to Christ. Sounds like sin is something that we should be grateful for.

No wonder so many gays want to be involved in (Christian) churches. They need the Saviour's grace just as much as we do.

7 posted on 11/21/2013 2:22:59 PM PST by Jess Kitting
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To: Jess Kitting

Sin is not your friend. Repentance is your friend, because of Jesus’ mercy. Mary did not sin. Sin is the result of love of self, rather than God. Mary loved God above all else. The devil’s friend is sin.


8 posted on 11/21/2013 2:30:49 PM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

Mary is/was human an ALL have fallen short of the glory of God. Thus Mary did sin.


9 posted on 11/21/2013 2:56:51 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: fwdude

I don’t see how ANY reasonably intelligent person can read the 1st Chapter of Romans and conclude that practicing homosexuality is not roundly condemned in the Bible. That passage concludes that such people have rejected God and have been given over to their sin to suffer the consequences. Pretty clear to me.


10 posted on 11/21/2013 3:07:53 PM PST by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: taxcontrol
Mary is/was human an ALL have fallen short of the glory of God. Thus Mary did sin.

Then by your reasoning, Jesus did too.

11 posted on 11/21/2013 3:13:56 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: Jess Kitting
The Bible tells us sin is our friend, it drives us to the cross of Christ. If I don't sin, I don't need a Savior.

Wow, I do believe that this was also the dogma of Rasputin.

12 posted on 11/21/2013 3:15:08 PM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: JudyinCanada

I have always found it interesting that homosexuals have been able to get away with posing their sexual behaviors are a function of who they are, yet their pathological hatred and aggressiveness toward those withholding approval of their demographic is not.

If it is reasonable to assert one can not contain ones sexual behaviors due to some innate physiological difference, why is it unreasonable to assert their are other, more destructive, behaviors that are similarly irresistible for the same reason that have only been held in check throughout the history of man by fear of societal retribution?


13 posted on 11/21/2013 3:15:53 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: fwdude

In our church anyone is welcome. We are all sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God. But what we don’t do is ignore or change scripture to make people feel better about themselves. You will get the truth regardless of who you say you are and what you do in your spare time. We are about transforming lives, not watering down God. We also will not put people at risk for the sake of your presence. When we learned we had a pedophile in the congregation, that got nipped in the bad instantly.


14 posted on 11/21/2013 3:21:04 PM PST by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: fwdude

There are very FEW monogamous same sex relationships. Even those who get ‘married’ are, by and large, not monogamous.


15 posted on 11/21/2013 3:21:40 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: papertyger; taxcontrol

Romans 3:23 — “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” Christ is God incarnate — and clearly those passages in Romans are not speaking of Him. The “reasoning” which is faulty here is your own.


16 posted on 11/21/2013 3:37:41 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH

Falling into one category does not remove from another.

That you have to reach outside the Bible to justify your rationalization is indicative of the dirty little secret of all Protestantism, that it is just as bound to the traditions of man as it accuses Catholicism of being.


17 posted on 11/21/2013 4:46:28 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: papertyger

Guess you missed the fact that SCRIPTURE was what I quoted, not “tradition”. Nope, no Catholic revisionism present, thanks. Point out where I “reached outside of the Bible” when I quoted Scripture.... Reading comprehension issue, maybe?


18 posted on 11/21/2013 5:14:55 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH

Find “Incarnate” in the Scripture.

Protestantism’s other great sin beside hypocrisy, is presumption.


19 posted on 11/21/2013 5:18:26 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: papertyger

And Catholicism is a wicked heresy, but now that we have the name-calling out of the way, let’s tackle the verses in question, shall we? John 1:1 should help with that confusion re: Christ and God. Also Genesis 1 is quite clear. Scripture always refers to Scripture - like “iron sharpening iron”. It is not a buffet line to pick and choose what you wish it said. Something Catholics would do well to remember when handling it...


20 posted on 11/21/2013 5:26:36 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH

John 1:1-14 “In [a]the [b]beginning [c]was [d]that Word, and that Word was [e]with God, and that [f]Word was God.

2 This same was in the beginning with God.

3 [g]All [h]things were made by it, and [i]without it [j]was made nothing that was made.

4 [k]In it [l]was life, and that life was [m]the light of men.

5 [n]And that light shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness [o]comprehendeth it not.

6 ¶ [p]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 This same came for a witness, to bear witness of that light, that all men [q]through him might believe.

8 He was not [r]that light, but was sent to bear witness of that light.

9 [s]This was [t]that true light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 [u]He was in the world, and the world was made by him: and the world knew him not.

11 He came [v]unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 [w]But as many as received him, to them he gave [x]prerogative to be the sons of God, even to them that believe in his Name,

13 Which are born not of blood, nor of the [y]will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 [z]And that Word was made [aa]flesh, and [ab]dwelt among us, (and we saw the [ac]glory thereof, [ad]as the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father) [ae]full of grace and truth.”

(KJV)


21 posted on 11/21/2013 5:35:17 PM PST by JLLH
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To: SuziQ
There are very FEW monogamous same sex relationships. Even those who get ‘married’ are, by and large, not monogamous.

They will claim "monogamy" - actually, they call it "monogamish" or "open monogamy" - but it simply means promiscuous cheating with permission. Virtually ALL homosexual relationships are like this.

22 posted on 11/21/2013 5:39:13 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: CityCenter
In our church anyone is welcome.

Welcome to join as fellow Christians, or welcome to visit?

The former is unbiblical when it concerns avowed celebrators of sin or unbelievers.

23 posted on 11/21/2013 5:41:47 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: JLLH

The fact Protestantism can not prove its doctrines with Scripture is where Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons come from.

Please demonstrate where the Scripture states “ Scripture
always refers to Scripture.”

Trust me, this is a tar baby you can not extricate yourself from. If it were, Protestants would answer with Scripture rather than accusation predicated on interpretation of Scripture, most of the time.


24 posted on 11/21/2013 6:09:32 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: papertyger

God does not contradict Himself. Ever. Please feel free to demonstrate the opposite. I’d be interested to see such. Your argument holds no water. Believe me, I’m not the one in the hot seat here, disbelieving God’s Word. The fact that you are unaware that Scriptures refer back to other Scriptures is sad, but telling. I hope you make some move to change that in the future.


25 posted on 11/21/2013 6:16:23 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH

And the fact that no where does that Scripture simply say “Jesus is God Almighty” is an example of why Protestants have to retreat to the claim of “special revelation” by “guidance” of the Holy Spirit, but have to deny it to any who don’t agree with their doctrines, because they don’t agree with those doctrines.

That is circular reasoning by definition.


26 posted on 11/21/2013 6:18:48 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: JLLH
God does not contradict Himself. Ever.

To what contradiction are you referring?

27 posted on 11/21/2013 6:27:53 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: papertyger

Actually, I think there are AMPLE examples of where Catholicism makes things up as they go — Mary was sinless (when Scripture says otherwise), Peter was the first Pope (which Scripture clearly does NOT say), one should pray to the dead (Saints — but only those declared so by the RCC), oh, Catholicism is just FULL of things they have made up and which cannot be found ANYWHERE in Scripture, so nice attempt at diversion, but sorry, no, it’s not Protestantism that engages in that kind of circularity and historical revisionism. Catholicism is the religion which proclaims its doctrines to be authoritative because....well, just because, don’t you know.


28 posted on 11/21/2013 6:28:16 PM PST by JLLH
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To: papertyger

Any. Else He is not God, but please do feel free to provide Scriptural examples of such.


29 posted on 11/21/2013 6:28:57 PM PST by JLLH
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To: taxcontrol

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


30 posted on 11/21/2013 6:31:48 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: JLLH

31 posted on 11/21/2013 6:32:11 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: papertyger

John 1:1 and Genesis provide answers to any argument for polytheism. (See above post 21). Scripture does not contradict itself. It is “sharper than a two-edged Sword”. It supports itself in Truth. Sorry if that’s something with which you disagree. You would be disavowing Scripture as God’s Word. That’s not a winning position.


32 posted on 11/21/2013 6:34:31 PM PST by JLLH
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To: narses

Ever get tired of that one-trick pony act? Guess when you don’t really have an argument....


33 posted on 11/21/2013 6:35:13 PM PST by JLLH
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To: papertyger

“The fact Protestantism can not prove its doctrines with Scripture is where Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons come from.”

Uh, no, not really. Mormons are polytheists. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe Christ is God...which from one of your previous posts appears to be something with which you agree on....Interesting....


34 posted on 11/21/2013 6:36:59 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH

“Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”

Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?

What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”

As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him

Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”

Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?”

He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve.” [John 6: 49-71]


35 posted on 11/21/2013 6:37:52 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: papertyger

“And the fact that no where does that Scripture simply say “Jesus is God Almighty” is an example of why Protestants have to retreat to the claim of “special revelation” by “guidance” of the Holy Spirit,”

Actually, Scripture states that believers are given the Holy Spirit for guidance. This is a common misconception by Catholics as they think equate it with some “private interpretation unauthorized by Scripture, contradictory to Scripture and unverifiable” which is patent nonsense. Those who deny the aid of the Holy Spirit and His presence in the life of the believer demonstrate that they have no idea Who He is and how He operates - which is sad in the extreme. They posit themselves in contradiction to Scripture.


36 posted on 11/21/2013 6:40:32 PM PST by JLLH
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To: narses

Nice Bible quote. It’s a shame Catholicism twists it to the extent that they do. Talk about a misinterpretation!


37 posted on 11/21/2013 6:41:55 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH
Actually, I think there are AMPLE examples of where Catholicism makes things up as they go ... Catholicism is just FULL of things they have made up and which cannot be found ANYWHERE in Scripture...

This is exactly what I'm talking about: you can't even seem to get it through your head Catholicism does not maintain the Scripture is the sum total of special revelation from God, therefore, we are not required to find each and every doctrine explicitly outlined in the Scripture as Protestants erroneously claim to do.

Catholicism recognizes the Bible is a product of the Church, not the other way round.

38 posted on 11/21/2013 6:44:50 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: papertyger

Dangerous demonic doctrine indeed. Scripture condemns those who add to it, attempting to create their own authority — and what’s this “you” bit?? Making this personal now??


39 posted on 11/21/2013 6:47:26 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH
Any. Else He is not God, but please do feel free to provide Scriptural examples of such.

Don't dodge the question, what contradiction are you referring to, or is accusation so ingrained it's automatic?

But just for grins and giggles, please explain the "tohu va bohu" contradiction.

40 posted on 11/21/2013 6:47:59 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: papertyger

You are the one who appears to be arguing for Christ not being God in the flesh. That contradicts Scripture, so please be my guest (just for “grins and giggles” you know).


41 posted on 11/21/2013 6:49:52 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH
This is a common misconception by Catholics as they think equate it with some “private interpretation unauthorized by Scripture, contradictory to Scripture and unverifiable” which is patent nonsense.

Then why is there no universally accepted Protestant doctrine of Baptism?

42 posted on 11/21/2013 6:50:34 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: papertyger

Because it is only symbolic and regeneration does not hinge upon it. Most follow Christ’s example (again, found in Scripture, which Catholicism loves to pretend it invented.)


43 posted on 11/21/2013 6:52:05 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH
John 1:1 and Genesis provide answers to any argument for polytheism.

Unfortunately, it seems you can't.

44 posted on 11/21/2013 6:53:54 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: JLLH
Ever get tired of that one-trick pony act? Guess when you don’t really have an argument....

As if "Scriptural Tourette's" is an argument....

45 posted on 11/21/2013 6:55:18 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: papertyger

Scripture does. That’s my argument. Sorry it’s apparently beyond your comprehension. Sad.


46 posted on 11/21/2013 6:56:28 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH
which from one of your previous posts appears to be something with which you agree on....

remember what I said earlier about the Protestant penchant for accusation?

47 posted on 11/21/2013 6:56:53 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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To: papertyger

Ah, yes, the eternal Catholic hissy fit thrown when Scripture is used. Guess it’s to be expected when one doesn’t know Scripture and cannot answer arguments from a Biblical view. Again, sad, but completely within your power to change.


48 posted on 11/21/2013 6:57:39 PM PST by JLLH
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To: papertyger

See your own words, post 36.


49 posted on 11/21/2013 6:58:34 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH
Actually, Scripture states that believers are given the Holy Spirit for guidance.

Where does it say believers are compelled to follow that guidance?

50 posted on 11/21/2013 6:58:54 PM PST by papertyger ("refusing to draw an inescapable conclusion does not qualify as a 'difference of opinion.'")
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