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Mexico’s booming car industry selling unsafe cars
Associated Press ^ | Nov 28, 2013 3:40 PM EST | Adriana Gomez Licon

Posted on 11/28/2013 1:29:39 PM PST by Olog-hai

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1 posted on 11/28/2013 1:29:39 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Could it be that the increase in automotive related deaths be attributed to more people owning and driving cars? Naw that's just crazy talk!

CC

2 posted on 11/28/2013 1:34:37 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Olog-hai

Spokesman: These days, everyone's talking about the Hyundai, and the Yugo. Both nice cars, if you've got $3,000 or $4,000 to throw around. But, for those of us whose name doesn't happen to be Rockefeller, finally there's some good news - a car with a sticker price of $179. That's right, $179. The name of the car?

Adobe. The sassy new Mexican import that's made out of clay. German engineering and Mexican know-how helped create the first car to break the $200 barrier. At this price, you might not expect more than reliable transportation - but, brother, you get it! Extra features: like the custom contour seats, or the beverage-gripping dash. And the money you save isn't exactly small change!

Jingle:
"Hey, hey, we're Adobe!
The little car that's made out of clay!
We're gonna save you some money
that you can spend in some other way!
Hey, hey, we're Adobe!
Hey, hey, we're Adobe!
Adobe!"

[ show Adobe driver get into a fender-bender. She casually steps out of the vehicle and uses her hands to mold her bumper back into its proper shape, in under six minutes! ]

Spokesman: Adobe. You can buy a cheaper car. But I wouldn't recommend it!

Announcer: Not approved for street use in some states. No warranty either expressed or implied. All sales final.

3 posted on 11/28/2013 1:38:50 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

i think the increase in auto death is people incapable of multitasking multitasking


4 posted on 11/28/2013 1:39:27 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Olog-hai
Vehicles destined to stay in Mexico or go south to the rest of Latin America carry a code signifying there’s no need for antilock braking systems, electronic stability control, or more than two air bags,

Oh the humanity. If my first car, a 1974 Chevy that I put 180,000 miles on driving to every corner of the 11 Western states in my teens and twenties hadn't had "antilock braking systems, electronic stability control, or more than two air bags" I wouldn't be alive today to tell ...oh wait. Never mind.

5 posted on 11/28/2013 1:49:02 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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6 posted on 11/28/2013 1:49:20 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Olog-hai

I remember a deported illegal somewhere in a country south of Mexico was complaining he no longer had discovery channel or nice roads to drive on.


7 posted on 11/28/2013 1:51:42 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: Olog-hai

All that safety costs money. Why make a car for Central and South America that most people can’t afford?


8 posted on 11/28/2013 1:52:04 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Olog-hai

I remember walking through the streets of Chicago in winter and running across a Yugo half buried in a snowdrift. It had been abandoned in the street. There was painting in the visible part that read “for Gods sake, don’t buy a Yugo!”

I suppose we’ll need to be able to read that in Spanish in short order....


9 posted on 11/28/2013 1:53:53 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Olog-hai
Mexicans make unsafe cars?

Who knew??


10 posted on 11/28/2013 2:04:28 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Celtic Conservative

I guess airbags prevent accidents? More likely they cause them because of a false sense of security.

A proper analysis would reveal driver education to be the real cure.


11 posted on 11/28/2013 2:04:53 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ElkGroveDan
I miss the little vent window...and roll down windows BECAUSE it's damn expensive when the window motor dies.

Anti lock brakes...stupidest thing yet!!

12 posted on 11/28/2013 2:06:08 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Olog-hai

The funny part is that decades of nanny government in the US have seemingly made cars safer, but the reality is that many are far less safe than they were in the 1950s.

Everything is trade offs. If gasoline prices are low, cars can be heavier, and heaviness equates to more safety. Perhaps the safety innovation that matters the most is seat belts. But from there, the law of diminishing returns hits pretty hard.

Safety glass is probably a good idea, if you can afford it. Air bags? Well, the jury is still out on those. Reducing the amount of steel used really matters.


13 posted on 11/28/2013 2:08:53 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: Olog-hai

If cars are being made with cheap labor, why are they so dang expensive.


14 posted on 11/28/2013 2:09:06 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

There is no “cheap” labour; at least not once you factor in efficiency, and productivity per unit of labour.


15 posted on 11/28/2013 2:16:08 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“Safety glass is probably a good idea, if you can afford it. Air bags? Well, the jury is still out on those. Reducing the amount of steel used really matters.”

Ok, here’s the deal:
I was driving to work the other morning, in 3 lane northbound traffic. Typical busy traffic, I’m in the middle lane, and a car comes by on my left. I look over and there is this small lady driving, and I mean small. She was maybe 4’ or 4.5’ tall, I sped up to look again because the weird thing was she had the seat so far up she was stuck on the steering wheel. No more than 4-5” between her chest and the wheel.
The car was a newer Hyundai 4 door model. Now if that air bag deploys, that little woman will be blown apart. Shocking, just shocking I tell you /S.


16 posted on 11/28/2013 2:23:52 PM PST by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: Sacajaweau
it's damn expensive when the window motor dies.

Yep I knew so many people in the 70s and early 80s who had electric windows that just didn't work and never even thought about having them fixed. When I was a kid we had a 72 Gran Torino wagon and in those days the back window of station wagons was one of the first places where electric windows were standard. But the darn thing went out on us just before I started driving, which really sucked because we lived in Southern California and the AC used so much gas and the air didn't flow through as well with that back window closed. I took apart the door once looking for loose wires but everything was intact so I assumed the motor was bad, but never knew or imagined that I could get another one anywhere (this was before I discovered junk yards). I was hiking in a remote canyon with an older cousin and we came across the same model wagon rolled and flattened and it looked like it had been there for years, but the back swing-out door was intact. I told him I was coming back with some wrenches and screwdrivers to see if the motor was still there. Not being very handy with tools he was astounded that I would know how to get the motor out, or what to do with it. So I went back on my own a couple days later and got the motor out. Back then they were almost as large as a coffee can and weighed a ton. I got it home, cleaned it up, took apart the family car's back door and that thing just bolted right in place. (To this day my cousin who is president of a well-known company still tells that story with his eyes wide in amazement.)

17 posted on 11/28/2013 2:32:06 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Vehicles destined to stay in Mexico or go south to the rest of Latin America carry a code signifying there’s no need for antilock braking systems, electronic stability control, or more than two air bags,

I would love to be able to buy a car without all that crap on it.

If you know how to drive you don't need all the extra maintenance cost that crap brings. You don't need anti-loc brakes if you are smart enough to "pump" the brakes when skidding. You don't need it if you are smart enough to know the worst thing you can do is stomp on the brakes in the event of a tire blowing at highway speed. (remember the Ford Explorer rollovers)

I remember back when they started the whole mandatory seat belt thing. My then 5 year old niece gave me hell for not buckling up, I told her I had a better solution, "just don't run into anything". My sister in-law still has a problem with that.

18 posted on 11/28/2013 2:33:01 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

I could see being able to choose some of these features. Antilock brakes and traction clutches, when well implemented, are almost miraculous; I can vouch for that. But there’s a way you can switch at least the traction off if you don’t want it.

Seat belts are usually a smart idea, and probably would have gotten popular on their own if the legal beagles hadn’t thought to be imperious about them. Gain something like an extra insurance coverage or lowered deductible during a crash if you had belts on, and most people would put the belts on.


19 posted on 11/28/2013 2:38:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

And dear Heart, quite often the problem is not that you ran into something, but something ran into you. Which is less easily controlled. Again, private world solutions are usually better. Let insurance policies reflect belt usage and people will wear the belts.


20 posted on 11/28/2013 2:39:48 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Airbags prevent accidents just like condoms prevent loss of virginity.... (hmmm, that can’t be correct...?)


21 posted on 11/28/2013 2:40:10 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. J.F. Kennedy)
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To: ElkGroveDan
I had a gentleman acquaintance whom I considered a whimpy little guy help me with my car last winter. He froze his butt, didn't give up, froze his butt and got the job done.

So I'm impressed when guys tackle these things...and my hat's off to you and my friend.

Then there were the tube tires. I can hardly imagine that.

22 posted on 11/28/2013 2:40:49 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What p****** me off is that if you’re in an accident the first question they ask is....Did you have your seatbelt on...instead of....are you okay.


23 posted on 11/28/2013 2:43:47 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

With the new generation of tattling black boxes that might not even need to be asked. They’d just download the data with a smile.

But yes, this reflects an imperious attitude. It is callousness, one of the signs of degradation in humanity. (Some people think the attitudinal nasties at the end of Romans 1:21ff have to do with the previously mentioned homos. NO they don’t have to be. They stand alone quite well.)


24 posted on 11/28/2013 2:47:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: dfwgator

I would love to find a Yugo more or less intact. Tube frame about 110” wheelbase, stretch the front fenders, big block, blower, narrowed 9”.... Sweet!

I would love to hear the guys trying to explain to their buddies how they got beat by a Yugo.


25 posted on 11/28/2013 2:54:18 PM PST by Clay Moore ("In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: bigheadfred

I don’t think the author has ever driven in Mexico City. If you ever get a chance, take a taxi ride. It’s a lot like a 2 bit shady carnival roller coaster, except a lot more scary.


26 posted on 11/28/2013 2:57:45 PM PST by Clay Moore ("In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
And dear Heart, quite often the problem is not that you ran into something, but something ran into you.

To ease your mind my opinion about seat belts has changed. The bottom line is driving a vehicle responsibly takes full attention at all times and you have to be prepared for surprises. It is not a game, it is probably the most dangerous activity most people will ever engage in, and most never consider that. They cannot build a vehicle that will ever account for human error.

I have been driving for 40 years, from two wheels up to thirty plus wheels pushing a quarter million pounds. I have done this accident free by always following one simple rule "NEVER engage transmission until brain is fully engaged".

27 posted on 11/28/2013 2:58:38 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: ElkGroveDan

That’s what I was thinking—is it actually “unsafe” or is it just missing the required Federal safety standard equipment?


28 posted on 11/28/2013 3:01:44 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: ElkGroveDan

“Oh the humanity. If my first car, a 1974 Chevy that I put 180,000 miles on driving to every corner of the 11 Western states in my teens and twenties hadn’t had “antilock braking systems, electronic stability control, or more than two air bags” I wouldn’t be alive today to tell ...oh wait. Never mind.”

I’ve wondered about this too. And I drove a car even older, with NO SIDE BEAMS in the doors, and I am somehow alive today. Of course, in those days, people took driving seriously, watched the road, and so on.


29 posted on 11/28/2013 3:02:41 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Future Snake Eater

“That’s what I was thinking—is it actually “unsafe” or is it just missing the required Federal safety standard equipment?”

This is roughly equivalent to having “substandard” insurance.


30 posted on 11/28/2013 3:03:26 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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And I drove a car even older, with NO SIDE BEAMS in the doors, and I am somehow alive today.

Maybe so but I would bet money that you never rode a bicycle without a helmet ;^)

31 posted on 11/28/2013 3:05:02 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

If you were not so bent on being supercilious you would explain if it changed from no to yes, or from yes to no. The anecdote you shared is not clear as a reference point. You were badgered to wear them... did you agree anyhow? Or did you disagree anyhow?

Anyhow yes they help in severe maneuvers too. That’s why race car drivers wear these harnesses, it isn’t just to keep from flying out of the car in case of wreck. Take it from the Real Men: safety belts make sense.


32 posted on 11/28/2013 3:05:30 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Seat belts are usually a smart idea, and probably would have gotten popular on their own if the legal beagles hadn’t thought to be imperious about them. Gain something like an extra insurance coverage or lowered deductible during a crash if you had belts on, and most people would put the belts on.”

One of the only good things I can say about Illinois, is that they had the concept of “contributory negligence” built into the law - that is, if you got into an accident that was not your fault, you could sue for actual damages, but not a nickel for pain/suffering if you weren’t wearing a seat belt. So, it’s a free country. Don’t want to wear a seat belt? Fine. But if you get hurt, sucks to be you.

It “drives” me crazy that the state that I live in, with some of the most unsafe roads in the country, ALSO has one of the lowest rates of compliance on seat belts.


33 posted on 11/28/2013 3:08:23 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: ElkGroveDan

My present car, that I bought new in 1997, has the airbags but none of the rest of it. Sixteen years later it’s still soldiering on without any major issues.


34 posted on 11/28/2013 3:11:29 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

Well, maybe it wasn’t because of your attitude that you forgot to make it clear. But proud attitudes do make people tend to forget stuff. It even happens to me.


35 posted on 11/28/2013 3:13:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

If the redneck part of Illinois could divorce itself from Chicago, it would be in great shape.


36 posted on 11/28/2013 3:14:48 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 9422WMR
I used to have a dog that liked to ride sitting in my lap when I drove. I had to stop that when I got my first car with airbags. Imagine having your dog embedded in your chest!
37 posted on 11/28/2013 3:20:11 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Olog-hai

These cars sound as safe as the ones I grew up riding in...


38 posted on 11/28/2013 3:36:27 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Please don't be offended, my opinions are not directed at you personally.

I think seat belts are a wise choice, particularly for the reason you state. I have no chance of recovering control of a vehicle that is rolling over on top of me.

I did not like being forced by law to wear them. I don't like the idea that a motorcycle cop could pull me over in a big one ton dually truck and write me a ticket for not being "strapped in".

God Bless and FRegards

39 posted on 11/28/2013 3:36:51 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Olog-hai

I owned a ‘75 LTD, tons of metal on wheels, and it was a lot safer than several newer little cars I crushed with it.


40 posted on 11/28/2013 4:04:59 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Clay Moore

I have taken a taxi in Cairo before. That was years ago though. They called them flying coffins.


41 posted on 11/28/2013 4:42:56 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
many are far less safe than they were in the 1950s

I doubt that.

42 posted on 11/28/2013 4:49:55 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

I am more libertarian than I used to be, but I am a Christian libertarian. That means, I don’t bow down to Caesar but I also don’t go out of my way to spite Caesar either. I need all my spiritual capital to rebuke Caesar’s more egregious embraces of Satan. I have more credibility about, say, Obamacare if I am not sweating the seat belt laws (even if, were I the king, I’d abolish them).


43 posted on 11/28/2013 5:02:17 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Jeff Chandler; yefragetuwrabrumuy

Risks have been traded off. We have better safety features and less land-yachtage.


44 posted on 11/28/2013 5:04:17 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Olog-hai

Well, kind of good for us Nortamericanos....maybe they won’t have so many to export.


45 posted on 11/28/2013 5:46:23 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Benghazi was just a violent RIF action by Hillary and the State Department.)
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To: count-your-change

EPA’s been regulating cars like that out of existence.


46 posted on 11/28/2013 5:50:22 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Clay Moore

Sounds like the “Hot Rod” magazine project “Bad Seed”.

They took a Chevette (last car with coil-spring double-A-arm front suspension), gutted it, put in a roll cage, and swapped in a built 500ci v-8 from some place down in Mississippi that specialized in the old Caddy big-blocks.


47 posted on 11/28/2013 7:48:44 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Olog-hai

I think ‘74 was the worst year for regulation as Detroit built cars that wouldn’t start wouldn’t run if they did start. Horrible!


48 posted on 11/29/2013 12:02:12 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Olog-hai
... including as many as six to ten air bags, and stability controls that compensate for slippery roads and other road dangers, say engineers...

I find my car handles better (and peppier) when I turn off the traction/stability controls. I wonder how many have lost it due to the controls taking over and prevented other saving actions from being implemented.

49 posted on 11/29/2013 4:23:40 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

The two biggest innovations of the 1950s were padding where a driver’s head might hit a hard surface, and seat belts, which as an option became quite popular. The industry made several more changes, based on *aircraft* safety devices, until the federal government leaped into the situation in 1965, based on Ralph Nader’s scathing, and inaccurate, portrayal of one model of car, culminating in the National Highway Traffic Safety Act in 1966.

The LBJ administration started to require cars have seat belts, but this had only limited effect until states started to mandate their use in the mid-1980s.

Car makers started offering airbags in the 1970s, but stopped because consumers didn’t want them. The government made them mandatory for drivers in 1989 and passengers a decade later.

In the 1950s, the death rate was 6 per 100 million miles traveled. This has dropped to 1.13 deaths per 100 million miles. But this is deceptive for several reasons.

1) In both cases, the majority of deaths are pedestrians, not vehicle passengers.

2) In the 1950s, the vast majority of vehicle-traveled road was lower quality state highway and local streets. The Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956 creating the Interstate Highway system radically increased the amount of vehicle travel on pedestrian free roads. The standardization of much safer roadways at the state and local level also radically lowered the number of fatalities. So to a great extent, fatalities decreased not due to safer cars, but to safer major roads.

So the bottom line is unclear, with some safety features contributing a lot to safety, while others, less so, some creating just marginal improvements. But other demands, such as ever increasing fuel efficiency, have strongly worked *against* safer cars.

In recent years, it has reached a tipping point, because lightweight economy cars are no match for structurally sound vehicles, and are just obliterated in two vehicles collisions with them. The initiative of the advocates of lightweight vehicles is to make structurally sound vehicles socially unacceptable, and eventually to have the government restrict their use.


50 posted on 11/29/2013 6:06:16 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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