Skip to comments.LeDuff: A Detroit labor war is breaking out over pension funds
Posted on 12/06/2013 5:25:10 AM PST by cripplecreek
Detroit's workers and retirees are no longer just fighting the emergency manager over their pensions - they're fighting each other.
Fox 2's Charlie LeDuff explains the two Detroit pension funds: one for police and fire and the other for other city employees such as secretaries and janitors (known as the General Retirement System).
City workers explain why they don't want to be lumped in the same pension category.
Full video report at site.
Life may be rough these days, but we do get Schadenfreude circuses to watch! Bring on the subsidized popcorn.
SOCIALISM: Works great until you run out of someone else’s money. M. Thatcher
I feel bad for these folks but their position is no different than any other company that goes under. The business they chose to work for, Detroit, was poorly managed and now the results of that malfeasance is showing up.
Agreed, I don’t blame them for being angry but there’s no reason others should suffer for their own mistakes.
I am glad to see conservative ideas popping up in Detroit. The only help the democrats will ever offer is to take the money from others. Conservative ideas can give them the tools to help themselves and the whole country will be better off for it.
Will they riot?
Probably every one of them voted for the corrupt leadership of Detroit, and never demanded accountability. And they are probably among those who cheered on Coleman Young and Kwame Kilpatrick for “taking it to da man” by livin’ large. They criticized Dennis Archer for what amounted to “actin’ too white.” (Responsible). They found out too late that they were da man. I do not feel sorry for them.
Set up an enterprise zone including the bridges to Canada, the shoreline and a nice chunk of adjacent land. Move all people out of it. Hand it over to Canada on a 99year lease. Canada would pay Detroit money that went directly to pensions and public safety. During that time, the pensioners would die off and what's left of Detroit would benefit from enterprise zone jobs going to residents.
Nobody's that bold.
Just sell the art from the art museum.
Divide up the spoils...
How could you tell? :-)
They always end up eating their own - employees should have known for sometime that the jig was up and the promises were unsustainable!
Hopefully they will cancel each other out!
This week on Labor Union Deathmatch: SEIU vs. .... The UAW!
(answer: the American public)
The pension problems are more manageable than they seem, if they just raise what employees pay in and lower their payout for people still working.
You can’t constitutionally cede American territory to anyone. There was an investor who offered $1 billion for Belle Isle and turn it into a free market territory. The constitutional aspect was one argument against.
The best option is for the state to take control of it. One of the good things about Michigan (usually) is the power the state holds over the cities.
The fact is that there is a lot of economic movement in Detroit with lots of big money players involved but its the small businesses that need to be freed to do business. Detroit is the second busiest inland port on the continent only a little behind Laredo and the only reason its in the shape it is is because of the democrats.
I’ve got a Reagan attitude about it and say its time to do more than draw a line in the sand. I say we step over the line and start retaking ground.
No doubt that the great and powerful, Baroch, will save them. Unless there is no upside.
A war in Detroit?
Who could tell?
“This week on Labor Union Deathmatch: SEIU vs. .... The UAW”
The SEIU is moving into Texas. There are a few jobs listed in San Antonio. I already sent them a few bogus resumes and cover letters.
We should flood them with letters.
Rand Paul’s speech to the Detroit economic club will be on Cspan at 12:35 today.
Most of these people went into their publicly-funded jobs knowing full well that the retirement benefits were incredible. Something about getting their fair share... I do not shed one tear for these sorts of people.
Thank you....I have that information in time to watch it.
I feel sorry for anyone facing destitution in their old age, whether public or private employee, white or black, liberal or conservative. What are they going to do? If they lose their pensions how are they going to live? Will they go on public assistance? How will they, at their age, obtain jobs which are scarce for young people? Do we just let them die? They are human beings and fellow Americans whether we like it or not.
Mmmmm...just a feeling.
open that PANDORA’S BOX and you’d have NY, LA and Chicago leased off in no time.
Once Pensions are allowed to disappear, with nobody going to prison, fogetaboutit. The next step will be bank accounts and other savings.......well it really doesn’t matter though does it? If the damn government can make you buy superexpensive junk, and then fine you whatever amount they want if you don’t......that is the bottom of the barrel...the last straw......TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION .....AND IN AMERICA THAT MEANS ....THE TERRIBLE MOST HORRIBLE .....WAR.....WELL EXCEPT FOR.......War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)
Thanks for the ping; posts.
Rand Paul speaks at opening Republican Party office in Detroit: Sen. Rand Paul speaks at the opening of the Detroit office of the Michigan Republican Party in Detroit on Friday, Dec. 6, 2013. Mandi Wright/Detroit Free Press
I like the economic idea as a means of proving conservative theory to the masses. The voting rights stuff was kind of pointless in Michigan because voting rights are restored as long as you aren’t in prison, on parole or probation. Plus its an issue for the individual states to decide. I agree that mandatory sentencing needs to go.
While I’m not a fan of drug legalization he did make a point I hadn’t thought about. He made the point that more blacks are arrested for simple possession not because of racism but because they’re easy targets. Whites are more likely to pay for a decent attorney while blacks use public defenders if they use a lawyer at all and that’s like asking to go to jail. Police know this and they go where the hunting is easiest.
Yeah, it's funny how the only thing you ever have to do to restore prosperity to a given area is make government go away. Detroit's collapse is no more unintentional that Stalin's famines in the Ukraine - and it was accomplished by the same type of people with the same type of motivations.
No, it began a long time before Chapter 9 as many effected knew it was coming.
My fire fighter gnome who is no longer on the force over a year and a 1/2 ago noted that they didn't want to merge w/ the police or the general and these two think they are way less underfunded than the general fund.
I am waiting for data on these three as to how funded or underfunded they are.
CrippleCreek are those numbers out yet? I remember some rumblings about this that it is being look @ with a microscope type level, possibly looking for malfeasance?
Should they have called it Reagan Isle, or Galt fLand?
Dang shame it didn't happen, look at the proposal sketch...
It would have been a giant up-yours to those in power moving us down the road of fundamental transformation....
If you have Netflix or other streaming video service see this great 2012 documentary about firefighters in Detroit and how this is a look at the future of many big cities today run into the ground by thieving Democrat politicians.
A documentary about Detroit told through the eyes of firefighters charged with the thankless task of saving a city that many have written off as dead.
One Year on the Front Lines of the Battle to Save Detroit
BURN - Official Theatrical Trailer (2013)
Detroit on Fire- a documentary