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Saying Goodbye to the Wind Production Tax Credit
SustainableBusiness.com ^ | 12/10/2013 | SustainableBusiness.com

Posted on 12/11/2013 6:00:20 AM PST by thackney

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1 posted on 12/11/2013 6:00:20 AM PST by thackney
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Gone With the Wind


2 posted on 12/11/2013 6:02:26 AM PST by AU72
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Maybe they can recoup some of their money by selling eagle feathers. Just sayin’.


3 posted on 12/11/2013 6:05:59 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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Some where an eagle is smiling.

GE makes twice the money on wind generators. They sell the wind generators and the quick start CT’s that back them up.

The great con is over.


4 posted on 12/11/2013 6:07:46 AM PST by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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I`m still waiting for the windmill that mounts on and powers my Ranger pickup.


5 posted on 12/11/2013 6:08:24 AM PST by nomad
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This is insanity, defended by lunatics. Wind power is incredibly inefficient. Don’t throw even more tax payer dollars down that rabbit hole.


6 posted on 12/11/2013 6:08:29 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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Maybe they can recoup some of their money by selling eagle feathers. Just sayin'

QUIP OF THE DAY

7 posted on 12/11/2013 6:10:14 AM PST by grania
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Wind power is incredibly inefficient.

There are places it makes sense, if done without taxpayer subsidies.

I've put wind turbines on small unmanned offshore platforms.

8 posted on 12/11/2013 6:12:27 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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First you need a hill to roll down to get the blades turning. Then you have to keep moving to keep the power going. Do you think actual sailing type sailors know about wind? What do we do in the doldrums? Sit.


9 posted on 12/11/2013 6:12:58 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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LOL! Thank you. Thank you very much. I’ll be here all week. But, probably not “pithy” enough for o’really. Not that I would waste it on him anyway.


10 posted on 12/11/2013 6:14:40 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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Lets just hope it doesn`t take of like a helicopter.
11 posted on 12/11/2013 6:16:03 AM PST by nomad
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There are places it makes sense, if done without taxpayer subsidies.

I agree 100%. I do not want to pay them so a greenie can feel they are saving mother earth.

12 posted on 12/11/2013 6:16:21 AM PST by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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As long as the offshore platform has access to a power grid that can make sense. That is, if the cost of the platform, the turbine and the transmission lines cost less than the unsubsidized energy is worth over a reasonable period of time. That pares the possibilities down quite a bit.
13 posted on 12/11/2013 6:19:40 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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Think Osprey. Whatever happened to the air cars that disney used to show in tomorrow land? Or like on the Jetsons.


14 posted on 12/11/2013 6:21:36 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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If it cannot survive without subsidies, then it should die. Clearly, with the numerous renewals of the tax credit listed in the article, it cannot... even though the "fuel" is free and infinite. The wind folk will keep begging "just one more chance, just one more year, just one more extension", and never actually be able to stand on their own.

We need to grow up and start saying "No!" at some point! We are on the verge of collapse, and we still pay everyone for everything. It's maddening.

15 posted on 12/11/2013 6:21:55 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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As long as the offshore platform has access to a power grid that can make sense.

If that was the case, there would be no need for the wind turbine. They were combined with solar and batteries. And these were small power sites. It was the most economical. Batteries were designed for 3 days of typical power use without input from either.

It is very rare to have 3 days offshore without wind or solar.

16 posted on 12/11/2013 6:23:05 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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The article has quotes which argue that wind-energy deserves subsidies, because the fossil rules industry gets benefits: apparently they speak of depletion allowances.

Two points: Liberals not from producing states have long argued against depletion allowances, so why now should they support something for wind power that they consider comparable to something they have long opposed?

Second: When a petroleum company sells fossil fuel, it is losing property (the oil or gas in the ground). But the wind is not depleted by wind farms: indeed, they argue that their resources is “renewable.”

Left out of the whole discussion is that so-called renewable energy uses up resources, also. Their installations — wind farms and solar panels — are made of metals and petroleum products (plastics) which comes from more conventional sources. The parts for a wind farm do not just blow in with the breeze!

Energy sources should largely be left to compete. Who knows: some day perhaps horses will replace automobiles and trains and planes. The competition should be within a free economy, and not determined by lobbying strength and self-righteous “green” posturing.


17 posted on 12/11/2013 6:23:13 AM PST by docbnj
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A few months back DOE themselves listed some 800 dams east of the Mississippi that could be retrofitted to return to electricity production.

Unfortunately wind fixated “greenies” want to tear out all the dams and let the rivers flow free. Never mind that hydro is tried and true effective green energy production that actually works every day all day. (not to mention not needing to be replaced every 20 years at most)


18 posted on 12/11/2013 6:26:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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"It doesn't take a Ph.D. in economics to see why this type of analysis is flawed," says Kevin Haley, strategic communications manager for the American Council on Renewable Energy (ACORE).

From wiki

Strategic communication management could be defined as the systematic planning and realization of information flow, communication, media development and image care in a long-term horizon. It conveys deliberate message(s) through the most suitable media to the designated audience(s) at the appropriate time to contribute to and achieve the desired long-term effect. Communication management is process creation. It has to bring three factors into balance: the message(s), the media channel(s) and the audience(s).[2]
(emphasis, mine)

IMO, this is the kick-off of a large media push to keep the credits.

19 posted on 12/11/2013 6:47:40 AM PST by Roccus
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This is going to create a whole new problem.

Rusting, decaying wind farms which pose a public safety hazard as they deteriorate.

You darn well know the operators are going to shut them down and cease all maintenance the day after the subsidies dry-up.


20 posted on 12/11/2013 6:47:52 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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