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Military retirees: You betrayed us, Congress
cnnmoney.com ^ | 12/13/13 | Jennifer Liberto

Posted on 12/12/2013 11:24:42 AM PST by Sleeping Freeper

Edited on 12/12/2013 11:27:38 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Military retirees are outraged that Congress will start voting Thursday on a budget deal that trims military pensions, calling the move "an egregious breach of faith."

The Military Coalition, some 27 military groups, wrote to leaders in Congress and President Obama late Wednesday about their "strong objection" and "grave concern" over the budget deal.


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To: Sleeping Freeper

Complaining to congress (this US government) for their betraying military retirees (as well as the rest of the people) is analogous of pointing out to Satan that he is evil. Serving themselves is a politician’s nature and what they are doing and allowing to be done to this country is proof that most in DC don’t even care about their own families.


51 posted on 12/12/2013 12:31:33 PM PST by drypowder
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To: Graybeard58

thats why its called a medical PRACTICE


52 posted on 12/12/2013 12:32:50 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: csmusaret

There numbers are way off for an E7 it will over time cost a substantial amount but it will effectively after taxes hold us at our current levels for years to come. In the mean time they plan to raise our insurance rates. Our pensions are earned in my case over 30 years of total service. Ryan went after us because we are an easy target and the Dims have been targeting us for years, especially Patty Murray. We make up less than one percent of the total population. We cost the military but it is the retirement we were promised for stay. Keep in mind that statically very few veterans make it to retirement, it is a hard life. I will not vote in 2014, I have heard the arguments, not voting is a vote for Dims, well look what voting got me! Maybe it is time the GOP stop treating vets and conservatives like the Dims react blacks.


53 posted on 12/12/2013 12:40:02 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: Aurorales
But I have a sister who is collecting social security disability on a fake problem. Fibromyalgia.

I have a former b-i-l who collects SS disability because he pouts and can't keep a job. He does self-employed landscape work on the side and gets paid in cash.
54 posted on 12/12/2013 12:46:32 PM PST by Old Yeller
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To: HiJinx; Leatherneck_MT; USMCWife6869; ConorMacNessa

PING


55 posted on 12/12/2013 12:49:11 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Sleeping Freeper; All
I think that military retirees need to start beating the drumbs about Congress's constitutionally limited power to tax and spend. As mentioned in other threads, Justice John Marshall had clarified that Congress is prohibited from laying taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

If Congress would stop spending fo things that it has no constitutional authority to tax and spend for, then it may be much easier for Congress to pay for its Section 8 obligations, obligations which include the military, including military pensions.

56 posted on 12/12/2013 12:50:01 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: OldGoatCPO

If the group is going to bitch about this then they ought to poll their membership and ask them to answer honestly how they voted in this last Presidential election cycle and who they voted for in their state level and local elections. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!!

If they just say: “I did’nt vote for that” they can tell them that Yes, they did.


57 posted on 12/12/2013 12:50:06 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (Patriots needed!)
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To: Gene Eric

Exactly! WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION! The military defends the country for the leeches!


58 posted on 12/12/2013 12:53:00 PM PST by mr fish
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

Not sure your point, yes some vets especially black ones voted for Obama, most did not. That group is historically conservative. There is no place in the GOP for conservatives.


59 posted on 12/12/2013 12:54:15 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: Gene Eric

Is Congress cutting its bennies and pensions? How about other perks and privileges?


60 posted on 12/12/2013 12:54:15 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: OldGoatCPO

I retired from the US Army in 1987 after more than 23 years active service. I just hate lousy journalism. Now I have to go research this topic myself to find out how badly I am being screwed.


61 posted on 12/12/2013 12:55:29 PM PST by csmusaret (Will remove Obama-Biden bumperstickers for $10)
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To: Gamecock
Simplest way to cut spending in the Military is to stop moving everyone every 2-3 years.

PCSing a family costs a ton of money. Paid moving truck. cash allowences, about 4-5 weeks in lst productivity.

Keep people in their assignment for 4-5 years.

Can only work if the dangerous and very many undesireable billets have large incentive pay and other benefits attached. Like US civilian contractors in Iraq get.

62 posted on 12/12/2013 12:57:23 PM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Gamecock
Simplest way to cut spending in the Military is to stop moving everyone every 2-3 years.

PCSing a family costs a ton of money. Paid moving truck. cash allowences, about 4-5 weeks in lst productivity.

Keep people in their assignment for 4-5 years.

Can only work if the dangerous and very many undesireable billets have large incentive pay and other benefits attached. Like US civilian contractors in Iraq get.

63 posted on 12/12/2013 1:00:43 PM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: USCG SimTech

True. We can figure this out though!


64 posted on 12/12/2013 1:03:45 PM PST by Gamecock (There are not just two ways to respond to God but three: irreligion, religion, and the gospel. (TK))
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To: Vigilanteman

I agree with your math. I misstated it. Whatever the 2.5% figure would be on month one, that same amount should be cut each month until you reach zero.

I would suggest we toss out the 5% figure, and just start lopping folks off the government payroll. If states want to pick up the slack, let them. States failing to do so should let folks know just how important those jobs were to begin with.

I would also suggest reorganization to be a very sound way to cut. Go to a federal sales tax. Eliminate the need for the IRS. Pay the states to oversee federal sales tax compliance, when they are checking on their own state compliance. That right there would cut a massive number off the federal government payroll.

Gut the EPA. Do the same to a myriad of other agencies across the fifty states. States would follow suit as their funding for such nonsense dried up.

In most instances, return federal land holdings inside states to the states.

You could go on for a year or two listing all the agencies to be cut.

Start on privatization of Social Security and Medicare. Get payroll deductions placed in funds controlled by individuals, that allowed for protection and great interest. All them to self-insure and make personal loans to themselves from those funds, subject to oversight.

In twenty years government cost of Social Security would be cut in half. In forty, it would be gone.


65 posted on 12/12/2013 1:06:12 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Zero = zero)
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To: Gene Eric

Now that’s funny right there!


66 posted on 12/12/2013 1:09:28 PM PST by rhubarbk (It's official, I'm suffering from Obama fatigue!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
I retired with 20+ years of service. I made all my life's plans based upon what the US government promised me all those years ago. After retirement, those things started to get cut, then cut more, and finally chopped up with a chain saw. Now in my 60s, I am 60% disabled. It took me the past 21 years to get the VA to recognize three injuries from active duty service were actually more than just "strains". After two back surgeries for collapsed discs, and spinal fusion, they finally agreed that it was not just strains. So, up from 30% to 60%. The group that I hired to assist me with my appeals told me I should be at a minimum 80-90% disabled. They will appeal the VA's decision to the Board of VA Appeals in Sodom on the Potomac. That will take about 3-5 years. What they are hoping is that I die before they are all done with this, thus they save my military retired pay, my VA disability pension, and my social security. That way they have a hunk of change to put on their vote buying. They know this guy ain't voting for a bunch of communists. In my time, they trained me to shoot at communists, not vote for them. They have been screwing us in the ground for years. AFTER we are retired, old, used up, there is nothing you can do about the cuts.

When you are still on active duty, you can walk away and tell them to kiss your hip pockets. If I had known back then what I know now, I would have walked and never completed a military career. I tell any kid that asks me now about a military career, to just forget it. Don't do it. The government will just screw you in the ground. I tell them that if they absolutely HAVE to go into the military, choose a job that you can train up on, use for three years to gain experience, then walk. Take that to the civilian sector and get hired. A good example I give them is police work. You cannot become a cop at 18, because you cannot carry a gun until you are 21. But, in the military you can. So, go in for three years, get the MP training, then come out and go to a police, sheriff or state trooper job. You have the up side of three years military police training. Civilian forces like that. They know you are trained, experienced, and disciplined. That is the only way I would tell them to go into the service today. I DO NOT TRUST ANYONE IN SODOM ON THE POTOMAC. DIMOCRAT COMMUNIST A-HOLES, OR THE RINOS. None of them. They are all lying scum as far as I am concerned. If you think I will go into the field and get shot at today to keep these scum in office, think again.

67 posted on 12/12/2013 1:26:00 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: a fool in paradise
Obama will never bail out the military. They don’t vote the right way.

Actually, that is incorrect. Obama got the largest voting numbers from military of any dim in about 40 years. Probably back to the 1960s. Carter and Klinton didn't get the votes. But Obama got 30-35% of the military vote I believe.

68 posted on 12/12/2013 1:28:38 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I hope so—two birds with one “stone”!


69 posted on 12/12/2013 1:29:38 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
"This nation is not long for demise"

Ah, the American people can neither spell or define "demise".

70 posted on 12/12/2013 2:05:33 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: RetiredArmy

Doesn’t the military vote nearly exactly along racial lines?


71 posted on 12/12/2013 2:06:30 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Logical me

No, I don’t miss Romney nor GWB either. All are precursors for what we have.


72 posted on 12/12/2013 2:10:54 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Gene Eric

Heck no, they are doubling down.


73 posted on 12/12/2013 2:11:42 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: AzSteven

Even if ALL federal civilian employees had to contribut 1.3% more it’s still a joke.

They should be paying in their own money to the tune of closer to 80-90% like in the real world.

FU Paul Ryan you spineless POS!


74 posted on 12/12/2013 2:13:56 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: Grampa Dave
worthless instant unemployment degrees

Now I don't care who you are; that's damn funny.

75 posted on 12/12/2013 2:15:08 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: Logical me

Like Romney wouldn’t have done this?


76 posted on 12/12/2013 2:17:09 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: Fledermaus

“worthless instant unemployment degrees
Now I don’t care who you are; that’s damn funny.”

One of our younger relatives, coined the phrase, “Instant Unemployment Degrees” over two decades ago, when those with IUD’s couldn’t buy a job.

Two decades since, his “Instant Unemployment Degrees” remarks are even more truthful/painful to those with the IUD’s and a mountain of debt for their worthless degrees.


77 posted on 12/12/2013 2:38:41 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare, It’s a Wonderful Lie! Obamaganda is failing 24/7! Soon Obamaganda will fail 24/365!)
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To: Old Yeller

“I have a former b-i-l who collects SS disability because he pouts and can’t keep a job. He does self-employed landscape work on the side and gets paid in cash.”

Sounds like a perfect plot for a home made video to give to the SS board after the local tv stations get it.


78 posted on 12/12/2013 2:41:30 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare, It’s a Wonderful Lie! Obamaganda is failing 24/7! Soon Obamaganda will fail 24/365!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg; House Atreides; Jim Robinson

My letter to my congressman this morning (an assist to House Atreides for about 4 of the paragraphs from an earlier post of his)

Dear Congressman Wenstrup,

In addition to this budget increasing taxes (fees) and spending, apparently, Paul Ryan arbitrarily decided to injure veteran retirements.

Whether he consciously decided to do that or was tricked into it—he IS disproportionately hurting military members.

CURRENT RETIRED military (if under age 62) would have their computed cost-of-living increase reduced by 1% each year. So if the COLA percentage is 2.3% they’d only get 1.3%. This would repeat year after year, adding up over time. The same thing would happen to ALL CURRENT ACTIVE DUTY military (year after year until they reach age 62) once they retire. And the same thing would happen to future military.

ON THE OTHER HAND current civilian civil service employees and current retirees are ALL NOT EFFECTED AT ALL. The only civil service employees who would be affected would be those hired January 1, 2014 or later—and they would not be impacted until their retirement.

This is unacceptable, Congressman Wenstrup. Like you, I made a career of the military, and I was told that the government would provide a retirement for those years of separation, isolation, and service.

Am I opposed to doing my share in balancing the Federal budget? Not at all. But, veterans should not be first in line. Moreover, in any financial sacrifice, given their sacrifice during years of service, it’s absolutely certain that veterans should NOT be the ONLY ones in line. That is the solution proposed by the Ryan budget.

This is totally disparate treatment. Injure the military and protect the federal employees and contractees.

You must oppose this plan, Congressman Wenstrup. It is absolutely unfair.

With you, I will support a budget calling for an across the board equal cut for every federal employee or contractee. If that takes from me, but it is equal treatment, then I’m an American and will sacrifice again for this nation.

This plan does NOT do that. It is an assault on those who’ve already paid their due in separation, danger, blood, and isolation.

Make it equal ACROSS THE BOARD or kill it!

Faith,

______________


79 posted on 12/12/2013 2:44:25 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: OldGoatCPO; RetiredArmy

Thanks to all of you for your service.

My wife and I on Veterans day heard an interesting statistic, and we have not been able to verify it.

The stat was only 2% of Americans adults have served any time in the military.

That would mean that our retired military and disabled vets are even less of a %.

Yet our congress can’t keep its promises to those of you who gave up your young years to serve, our disabled vets and those on active duty now.

Yet congress wants to give millions of illegals everything, keeping funding the knockout kings and their queens, and fund the so many questionable disabled with no problem.


80 posted on 12/12/2013 2:50:44 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare, It’s a Wonderful Lie! Obamaganda is failing 24/7! Soon Obamaganda will fail 24/365!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

So, they really DID write a strongly worded letter.


81 posted on 12/12/2013 3:15:55 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: a fool in paradise

“Obama will never bail out the military. They don’t vote the right way.”

They put all of their absentee ballots on a single plane and crashed it.


82 posted on 12/12/2013 3:46:34 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Congress: Yeah, so? What’re you going to do about it?


83 posted on 12/12/2013 3:54:02 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Theodore R.
No. I knew many who voted for Ronald Reagan in the day. Back in the 1970s and 1980s and early 90s, nearly every GI that I knew voted for Republicans. Because Republicans were supportive of the military. The Dims were back from WWII until the anti-Vietnam war crap started in the 1960s and into the 1970s. But, I voted for my local congress rep back in the early 1970s, he was a dim, but a solid, conservative, PRO military democrat. He has his name on the local reserve center here because of how strong he was for the military. He is the last dim I voted for and that was way back early 1970s.

After the dims went socialist, I was not even considering them. My family was always dims. Most all Alabama was in those days. Not until the dims went commie did Alabama go republican. Now every big state office is republican, control the state house and senate. The state is controlled by republicans.

But, I knew many, many blacks who voted for the republicans because republicans were so supportive of military and our families. When Obama came along, retired black military and active duty blacks went for Obama because he was black. I knew black retirees who were for him because, simply he was a bro. That was it. They did not know crap about the guy. Could not tell you a danged thing about him. Not where he came from, what he was for or against, nothing. Just because he was black. That was it.

84 posted on 12/12/2013 4:24:03 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

The US military needs to think “Egypt”.


85 posted on 12/12/2013 5:04:35 PM PST by Revel
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To: Route797

“My mother had it, and it sure didn’t seem made up to me”
______________________________________

I hope you weren’t being sarcastic with the best wishes for my family.

Anyway, I didn’t say “SOME” people weren’t suffering. I said they are misdiagnosed.
Which is sad because if the correct diagnosis was made, they very well would find relief.

I stand by my statement: fibromyalgia is a made up disease.
It is used by fakers to get disability, sympathy, or drugs.
Or it is used by doctors to write off whiney patients or an easy escape diagnosis for people coming to them with real pain.


86 posted on 12/12/2013 5:10:03 PM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Just what did the republicans get in return for throwing the military under the bus?


87 posted on 12/12/2013 5:19:40 PM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: DownInFlames
if I see another bammey sticker when I'm on the base or see a "vet for bammey" sticker I'm going to throw up right then and there....

however, guys in WW2 didn't do it for the pension....lets remember that.....

88 posted on 12/12/2013 5:21:48 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: Grampa Dave

“The stat was only 2% of Americans adults have served any time in the military.”

FYI. Here’s the numbers and a link:

In U.S., 24% of Men, 2% of Women Are Veterans

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158729/men-women-veterans.aspx


89 posted on 12/12/2013 5:33:39 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Sleeping Freeper; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; ...

Active Duty/Retiree ping.


90 posted on 12/12/2013 5:34:46 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Aurorales

“he was promised”

I’m sympathetic to anyone who thought they were going to get something and it didn’t turn out to be the same deal they thought they were going to get. I’ve been there and done that.

There isn’t enough money to pay everybody everything they were promised by someone in government laying claim to someone elses future productive work.

There IS a superseding promise in our Constitution that limits the governments ability to take other peoples hard work and give it to someone else.

If you are counting on government promises, you’re likely to land somewhat short of those expectations - no matter who you are or why you were promised something by the government.

Another way to put it is that government promises do not amount to anything - especially when government must extract the fruits of anothers labor in confiscatory proportions to fulfill such a promise.

Government doesn’t just betray our military - active and retired, but it betrays those who actually must pay for it all - at great peril to their own retirement and well being.

There aren’t enough of us to pay for everything - and at this point there is a good chance that all those “promises” of some future benefit - military or otherwise - will in fact amount to nothing in the future.


91 posted on 12/12/2013 5:36:25 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RetiredArmy

Good advice.

Computer careers and anything medical are also good options for young troops. Motor pool mechanic, Jet/helicopter repair...


92 posted on 12/12/2013 5:51:54 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Joe Wilson was dead on! Expunge his censor or censor Pelosi!)
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To: Gamecock

I agree. PCS moves cost a fortune.

But, can you imagine the lobbies that have sprung up to defend that: trucking, shipping, real estate, etc.


93 posted on 12/12/2013 6:07:29 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

They been getting screwed since the “Bonus Army”


94 posted on 12/12/2013 6:09:19 PM PST by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: SkyPilot

“...May the name “Paul Ryan” be forever associated with shame. If he (or any Republican that votes for this travesty) attends ANY ceremony on Veterans or Memorial Day, may they be booed off the stage....”
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Paul Ryan sold out the military to the liberals/progressives, PERIOD. He might as well have been saying “Soldiers, Marines, Sailors and Airmen, if you like your COLAs you can keep them, period.” all along and it wouldn’t have been a bigger betrayal.


95 posted on 12/12/2013 6:10:42 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: csmusaret

“...The article says 1%. I believe they must mean 1 percentage point? The article also says it would cost the average retiring E7 about $3700 a year. That must have been one hell of a COLA....”
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That would be a 1% reduction per year, 1% the next year and so forth. I guess you’ve never heard of compound interest? It’s like that, only in reverse.


96 posted on 12/12/2013 6:14:57 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: RetiredArmy; csmusaret; Gamecock; P-Marlowe

I read Ryan’s write-up on retirees. It is stunning deception.

His argument is that retiree benefits have disproportionately grown over the last decade or so.

Pure deception...he knows that the Bush era recognized that the military lagged behind comparable civilian jobs and began a program to increase pay. As pay was increased for a while at 2 times COLA and at others at COLA, OF COURSE, it increased faster than other parts of the federal system.

And, since retirement pay is connected to base pay, retirement pay increased.

PURE sleight of hand and deception.


97 posted on 12/12/2013 6:15:47 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: House Atreides

1.If a COLA is, let’s say, 2% of base pay then 1% of that is chump change.

2.The example given was $3700 a year. Again; if the COLA was 2% that means base pay was $185,000

3.It appears you don’t understand the difference between a percent and a percentage point either.


98 posted on 12/12/2013 6:22:44 PM PST by csmusaret (Will remove Obama-Biden bumperstickers for $10)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Thanks for the ping, JJ! I am neither active duty or retired - just a four year vet.

My dad was a career officer in the Navy - a Mustang. He enlisted before his 18th birthday in 1945, a little too late to get into combat. He went to college under the GI bill and was called back as a Radioman 3/C in 1950, served on the USS Borie - DD-704 - in the waters off Korea. The Borie was involved in the Hungnam Evacuation in December of 1950 after the "Frozen Chosin."

He earned a commission in the MSC by examination and served until 1969 when he retired. He was boots on the ground in 'Nam - 1964. During most of his career, we barely scraped by - salaries in the Military were low at the time.

He, like millions of others, served faithfully, zealously and professionally for the best years of his life, when he could have made considerably more money in private industry.

This move in Congress is nothing short of despicable and is a sharp stick in the eye to anyone who has ever worn the uniform. Not everyone who serves in the military goes into combat, but every one of us who joined up wrote a blank check to Uncle Sam secured by our lives.

As Oliver Wendall Holmes said in his poem "Old Ironsides,"

"The Harpies of the shore shall pluck the eagle of the sea!"



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

99 posted on 12/12/2013 6:33:39 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
The second and third order effects of this action have not been considered. Studies have shown that the retirement system serves to keep active duty personnel in the service when they reach the 10-15 year mark. Otherwise, the drain on talent, particularly technical skills, would be significant. The military is not a career that you can recruit people for at mid-career. You have to grow them and invest in them to develop the right mix of talent and maturity in a given cohort. If they walk replacing them takes a long time and that is dangerous for force effectiveness. Tampering with the effectiveness of the experienced officers and senior enlisted, who have been screened and found capable of greater authority and responsibility, is a road to future defeat. Third order effect will be to require higher and higher re-enlistment and continuation bonuses.

Additionally, if and when the economy improves, the ability to retain and recruit will be negatively effected. Reduced benefits will intensify the problem. Retention and recruitment have been easy, despite the danger during the last decade of serving in wartime, because the economy has been bad. Finding high quality in a vigorous economy will cost much more than we are paying now. Accepting lower quality will undermine the combat capability of the force and push us toward becoming the “hollow force” of the Carter years.

The current system, including the retirement benefits has PROVEN successful. It ain't broke... It doesn't need to be fixed... Using it to fix other economic, social, and political problems is a mistake UNLESS this is a burden that is equally shared across the public sector... Let's “spread the wealth around” and apply the same policy to all government retirement programs including those for civil servants, congressmen and senators, and all other elected and appointed officials including Presidents. That might make the additional (shared) sacrifice less onerous to past and future military retirees.

100 posted on 12/12/2013 6:37:20 PM PST by RedEyeJack
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