Skip to comments.How Karl Rove went from GOP mastermind to the right's political punching bag
Posted on 12/25/2013 5:54:41 PM PST by jimbo123
A decade ago, Karl Rove was President George W. Bush's right-hand man and one of the most powerful political figures in America. And even after his fortunes briefly dipped at the end of the Bush era, Rove roared to life again, tapping into and fueling the Tea Party movement through his massive super PAC, American Crossroads.
But today, with a GOP civil war raging between establishment types and upstart conservatives in the mold of Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R), Rove's once-strong influence has begun to wane. An embodiment of the Bush-era Republicans who have fallen out of favor of late, Rove, too, has begun to come under fire from the populist right.
In the latest sign of Rove's diminished standing, a dozen super PACs are challenging his American Crossroads in the GOP money game, and aiming to promote their own preferred candidates in races across the country, according to the New York Times.
"Certainly I think there's a level of frustration with the state of things in D.C.," Randy Cubriel, a Texas lobbyist, told the Times. See if you can read between the lines here: "I think a group like ours, coming from the state, is probably a little more effective than some of the national groups."
Crossroads was widely criticized for not producing more victories in 2012 despite spending some $300 million. The group had dismal 16.7 percent success rate in the last election, according to OpenSecrets.
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It's all about perception. At one point, being Bush's right-hand man convinced many that Rove was a hard-core Conservative. Now, with a little distance, I think we can see that Rove in 2003 was just like Rove in 2013 -- a Liberal.
The GOP has not had Conservatives at the top since 1988.
You mean ‘the Architect’ ??
My a$$!! More like falsely using and discarding it!
” 2003 was just like Rove in 2013 — a Liberal.”
Yes, but I am sure many of us recall a number of FReepers that proudly posted “Rove, you MAGNIFICENT bastard”
I love it when he brings out his little chalk board on FNC and ‘does the math’
At 16.7 % success rate , no wonder the Demorats support him in the war against Conservatives.
Barbarians are running the govt. , and treachery within our own walls ..
..and with 16.7% success rate, he expects continued support ?
It seems that Rove is the best trojan horse that the Demorats could muster .. !!
I was guilty of that phrase until he crapped on Sarah Palin. Now I could care less about his opinions. For sure he is no friend of he Tea Party.
At the time, everyone was so happy to see Clinton replaced by a Republican, that they gave Bush every benefit of the doubt, and Rove too.
Moreover, Bush maintained some appearance of conservatism during his first term. But after he won his second election, he pretty much abandoned his base. About the only thing he stood fast on was the right to life and traditional marriage, for which he deserves some credit.
Yes I do too.
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.
Unless they are Democrats.
This goes for FReepers too, he had many fooled.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
one of these days I’m gonna kick his ASS.............i’LL NEED BAIL MONEY
I could see him for what he was when he would loft some of his ideas that were nowhere near Conservatism on any level.
He’s just another Washington insider will to game Conservatives at will. Ah, no thanks.
I’m so done with political sell-outs like him.
Easy, he was willing to sell out values for votes in such a manner as to transform the very nature of conservatism within the republican party, then willingly alienate the conservative base in favor of gaining support of groups of people who were basically socialist democrats. If he’s an “architect”, his focus is most certainly on demolition. See the definition for “traitor”.
Rovio never had any credibility with me . Didn’t like his ‘genius’ handling of Bush in Texas and nothing he has done after convinces me any different
Rove has anger issues when it comes to women.
Pretty much agree with all that’s been written here. For me, the 1st tripwire Rove broke was when he gave the finger to the R2KABA/ 2nd Amendment crowd during POTUS #43 GWB’s 1st term. The 2nd tripwire was in 2005 when he made the claim that the future of the GOP depended upon bringing in “traditional value” Hispanics, including illegal aliens, under the GOP tent. The scales were removed from eyes at that point - I was through with him and Bush.
At the outset of his second term, GWB also stood for privatization of social security -- a highly conservative stance for which he definitely deserves credit.
However, his own party melted before the onslaught of the media and the Democrats...and that was the beginning of the end.
He never was one of us. He is a sellout.
nonsense....and I Like him!!!
After a stint in DC, everyone succumbs to power hunger and starts to believe the beltway way. Rove displays that to a tee.
I agree. Can you see him going out for a walk in public and not being in the knock-out game by a conservative who is just PO’ed with him?
I had a lot of patience for him until he took his potshots at Palin, the tea party, and some of the conservative candidates. And failed to support some of the conservatives who needed some support at the time.
Now I see him as an opportunist.
“...Rove roared to life again, tapping into and fueling the Tea Party movement through his massive super PAC, American Crossroads.”
LOL. That ol’ tea partier Karl Rove. He fueled the whole thing himself.
Rove, punk ass bitch. Mouth breather who has not really done much of anything since Georgie has been out. Very low winning percentage ove the last few elections.
.......just don’t do it in Travis County where “liberals” prevail in every office and particularly the sheriff who runs the jail.
LOL, I will lure Karl next door to Burnet County and you can punch him out there! They would probably give you a reward that would cover your bail money! Or, more likely, the Sheriff would just conclude Karl had a few too many and fell on the sidewalk hitting his head.
Around here, Karl is seen as the poster boy for what’s wrong with the Republican Party.
I've come to see Rove as a "moderate opportunist", myself.
Without any ideology or core principles, he's clearly a moderate -- not a liberal. And, like any opportunist, he is in favor of whatever can improve his station -- financially or status-wise.
A disgusting little man...
He favored rhinos who lost primaries over conservative candidates.
Thank you. Nailed it.
I don’t refer to him as any kind of bag. He’s more of a sack....
My beef with Rove, apart FRom his GOPe liberalism, is that he refused to back Republicans who won Primaries against his “anointed” candidates.
Mr. Rove, If you are a Republican, you are obliged to support ALL Republican candidates, even if they are not your first choice.
You could have helped us retire Dingy Harry Reid a few years ago, but your childish and petulant behavior when your candidate did not win the Primary cost us that seat!
How has Harry Reid worked for you since then?
Not to mention Delaware, and there are probably others I cannot recall right now.
When the voters decide who they want to run against a Democrat, you should go “all in” and support them.
The idea is for conservative Republicans to displace LIEberal Democrats!
Nothing else matters!
Very near-loss in 2000.
Losses in 2002, 2004 - Particularly bad in the Senate!
Lost the Senate AND House in 2006.
Lost Senate, House, and Presidency in 2008.
Gained the House in 2010 - but despite the opposition of “mainstream” Repubbie leadership - including and most notably Rowe. Instrumental in losing several close Senate seats when conservative (non-GROPE!) newcomers won their primaries!
Lost the presidency to the single worst candidate’s record ever! in 2012. Lost more Senate seats!
Yeah - Right. Sure. Of course!
Does four “yes” votes mean a negative for Rowe’s conventional “wisdom” ??
Establishment types... started to comment. Waste of time.
Rove was part of the tea party? I think not.
The way he ridiculed Sarah Palin was very destructive to the Republicans. Unfortunately , Rove has become enemy.
Tokyo Rove does not support Conservative women. He’s a $$$ grubbing A-Hole.
Would a college football team hire a coach and keep him for 10 years even though he lost 90 per cent of his games? Why then, should Rove have an unending forum on Fox to pretend to be head coach of the Republicans?
It is not that winning is so important, it is everything.
I’m a poor girl, but I’d gladly contribute!
>> being Bush’s right-hand man convinced many that Rove was a hard-core Conservative
A good point. But it shouldn’t be inferred that Dubya was a hard-core Conservative.
To play with a metaphor: almost alone among military and civilians in 1861, Robert E Lee believed that the war would be prolonged and difficult. The rest of his countrymen wearing both gray and blue, generally believed that a short war would be quickly won. At the outbreak of the war and for the next year Robert E. Lee was generally regarded to be a commander noted for his prudence rather than for his daring. However, even before Lee got command he recognized that the strategic landscape had to be redrawn if the Confederacy were to survive much less prevail and so he unleashed Stonewall Jackson to wage his magnificent Valley campaign of 1862 which entirely changed the dynamics on the ground in Virginia in 1862.
When Lee took command of the Army of Northern Virginia he and Jackson understood that the South must inevitably lose a war of attrition. He also understood along with Jackson that the battlefield extended beyond the presence of the enemy to the civilians who sustained the enemy and so Lee dared once again to overcome an intimidating strategic landscape. To overcome great odds, to undermine civilian morale in the North, to gain life supporting recognition from other nations abroad, Lee invaded the North and very nearly succeeded in those goals.
Next year, motivated by the same considerations and understanding that to take risks with his army was perilous, Lee also knew that the strategy of avoiding mistakes was one which made defeat ultimately unavoidable so he invaded the North again in 1863. As in 1862, Lee came close to succeeding in 1863. In the next year, 1864, on battlefield after battlefield Lee demonstrated his daring and resourcefulness in the face of daunting numbers.
By Appomattox in April 1865, no one could doubt that the Confederacy, at least in the theater in the East under the command of Robert E Lee, had done everything that could be expected of mortal men to do on behalf of their cause. Lee was not entirely perfect, notably on the last day of Gettysburg at Pickett's Charge his tactical genius eluded him but no one can deny that Robert E Lee, more than any man contending under his handicaps, did all that could be expected of him.
Time after time Lee risked his personal reputation and his army because he had integrity enough to risk his own name on behalf of of a greater cause. Four years after the war began, no one would say that Robert E Lee lacked daring or that he lacked strategic vision.
What can we say of Karl Rove? Is he daring? No. Are the demographic odds against Republicans overwhelming and must inevitably spell our defeat? Yes. Has Karl Rove conceived of a single strategy which would change the landscape, change the rules of the game, indeed, change the game itself and give Republicans a chance to save their country? No, no and no again.
Every cycle Karl Rove advances a policy of minimal risk, daring little, changing nothing. Every year our relative demographic vis-à-vis the Democrats deteriorates. What is Karl Rove's answer? To abandon one state after another to the enemy. Does he attempt to invade Yankee states and catch up the civilian population in his cause? No, because he has no cause that stirs the hearts of men, North or South, East or West.
Ludendorff once remarked of the inept Austrian army, "we are shackled to a corpse." And so the conservative movement in America is shackled to the Republican Party and the Republican Party is dying at the hands of people like Karl Rove. We have seen what imagination and originality can do against daunting odds. Newt Gingrich once showed us the way. Today, Ted Cruz Mike Lee, Rand Paul point to a new and daring strategy.
In politics as in war one is either on defense or on offense and defense is no way to win wars or elections. Karl Rove is essentially a trimmer who calls himself an architect but is really a bean counter. An architect builds but Karl Rove sets out only to cut losses and succeeds too often only in generating losses. Karl Rove protects his reputation, fills his purse, and presides over the dying spasms of a national political party.
Everyone on this thread is aware that Karl Rove is a Rino but he is also a moral coward and a man of extremely limited strategic vision. Stonewall Jackson is the man, I believe, who actually coined the phrase, "never take counsel of your fears" but Karl Rove's ears hear no other message.