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The end of a Deep South way of life
BBC News ^ | 29th December 2013 | Jonny Dymond

Posted on 12/29/2013 8:00:50 AM PST by the scotsman

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To: Albion Wilde

Remember that the most violent protests against forced bussing took place in oh so tolerant Boston.


61 posted on 12/29/2013 10:21:51 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: RegulatorCountry
I still love to hear old folks ask for a Co-coler.

LOL! I remember that! Do you remember Stuckey's?

62 posted on 12/29/2013 10:22:21 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: KC_Lion
Actually, "you-uns" (you ones) is more Upper South (I would assume including Texas, which was largely settled by people from Tennessee). "Y'all" is heard throughout the South, both Upper and Deep.

This was a most interesting story. Unfortunately, one reason for the extinction of Southern Jewish life is merely that the old Southern Jews were "Reform." Yet they owned slaves, supported the Confederacy, and were members of the original Ku-Klux Klan after the War (that's right; the original KKK was NOT anti-Jewish at all, and did not burn crosses). This now seems jarringly inexplicable because Reform and unaffiliated Jews have now made "social justice" and their definition of tiqqun `olam the two pillars of Jewishness. But it wasn't always that way.

Another is the (actually quite recent) ultra-radicalization of the "official Jewish leadership." Believe it or not, Reform Jews and fundamentalist chrstians co-existed in the South for decades with almost no conflict. But the current generation can't tell the difference between the Confederacy and Nazi Germany, and while Reform Jews have always been liberal from a Torah standpoint, the ultra-radicalism that supports abortion and "gay rights" is actually of quite recent origin. The ADL has always been liberal, but back in the early days the causes it champions now were not even on the radar and would have horrified its membership. As recently as the Fifties Reform Judaism still condemned homosexuality. There may have long been a Communist element in the American Jewish community, but even old time Communists didn't obsess over sexual organs the way the full spectrum of the Left does now.

Considering the Fundamentalist South's commitment to the historical veracity of the Torah, I personally believe it would be very welcoming to an influx of Orthodox Jews--provided those Jews related to others as The Chosen People and not as a "minority group." But of course minoritism is triumphant even in Orthodoxy, and Jews should really be planning to move to 'Eretz HaQodesh rather than moving from one place of exile to another.

Thanks for the ping, KC.

63 posted on 12/29/2013 10:23:41 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Oh yes, I remember Stuckey’s. What was that massive candybar they sold, a cashew roll?


64 posted on 12/29/2013 10:27:18 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: sgtyork
Isn’t it sad that these communities haven’t reproduced enough to just sustain themselves? Is there something self-destructive in modern Judaism?

Many of our oldest cities like New York, Philadelphia and Boston have traditional ethnic neighborhoods of Poles, Italians, Germans, and many other ethnicities that were like villages within the city. But as opportunities and vistas expanded with the rise of education and media from the 60s onward, the younger generations quit identifying as the ethnicity and started wanting to become mainstream Americans and move into the suburbs. It happened everywhere.

65 posted on 12/29/2013 10:32:21 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: RegulatorCountry
This is real, unvarnished history. I've always been amazed at how thoroughly the stereotype of Jew-hating southerner has stuck when it's so far removed from reality. I never heard an anti-semitic statement out of a soul until I went to college, and even then it was from New Yorkers and Floridians. Some of the oldest synagogues in the country are in the south. Every older city has a native Jewish community, even towns have or had synagogues. That's fading as the small-town south fades due solely to trade policy. The cotton merchants, the textile manufacturing, it's been decimated, and along with it the main street apparel stores, jewelry stores and the like that were often owned and operated by Jewish families of long standing. Judah Benjamin was Secretary Of State for the Confederacy, for crying out loud. People are so ignorant regarding history, they'll believe anything and make pariahs of anyone they're told.

This.

66 posted on 12/29/2013 10:34:06 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Yaelle
There seems to be a thriving Jewish community in some southern cities, at least, like charleston.

Some two hundred years ago anti-Semites often claimed that the "International Jewish Conspiracy" was headquartered in Charleston (SC).

67 posted on 12/29/2013 10:36:07 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: KC_Lion
I remember when I went to AF Basic Training, a HUGE argument broke out in the flight on whether it was "Pop", "Soda" or "Coke"

I grew up hearing "fizzy drink" from my Mother.

But the Correct name for a Carbonated Beverage is of course "Soda Pop"

No it's not. It's "Co-Cola!" ;-)

68 posted on 12/29/2013 10:37:55 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Pharmboy
You found that on the anti-Semitic Jeff Rense web site?

I'm not going to complain because of the content, but that site is normally to be avoided like the plague.

69 posted on 12/29/2013 10:40:44 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
A most interesting post about Jewish history; thank you! Many do not recognize the depth of the historic revisionism that has gone on beginning with the Civil War and most especially since the 1960s.

To hear it now, every white person in America owned slaves and beat them; the 700,000 white men who died in defense of the anti-slavery Union never existed, nor did the majority of white men and women in America who believed Abolition and Civil Rights were justice overdue -- bitterly resisted by Democrats. It is as if none of that happened.

70 posted on 12/29/2013 10:40:52 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Oh yes, I remember Stuckey’s. What was that massive candybar they sold, a cashew roll?

Pecan Log! I remember that! We got one every summer on the way to or from South Carolina!


71 posted on 12/29/2013 10:43:36 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: FAA
For comparison:


72 posted on 12/29/2013 10:44:07 AM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: FAA

I was out in west Texas and Eastern NM last year... it was really something to see all the abandoned cotton compresses... I envisioned boxcars of cotton once going out by rail... it’s all gone.

Similarly were the carbon black plants where they would burn natural gas off to make soot which was used in everything from paint to Bakelite... once upon a time.


73 posted on 12/29/2013 10:50:17 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: RegulatorCountry

What was that massive candybar they sold, a cashew roll?


Pecan Log is what I think you are referring to. Stuckey’s heyday saw some 350 stores
which reduced to less than 75 after they were bought out. Now a Stuckey is back in
charge and they are up over 200 locations.


74 posted on 12/29/2013 10:53:40 AM PST by deport
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To: Trailerpark Badass
The South was at least as welcoming as the oh so tolerant New England WASPs.

True, though as a general rule I try to defend traditional New England.

New England was the original American Bible Belt, and before the "enlightenment" its governments tended to be "theocratic" (something that has never been true in the South). Also the old-time Yankee Puritans were philo-Semitic for their time, though they believed just as strongly as any other chrstian that Jews must convert to chrstianity or be damned (chas vechalilah!). The degeneration of New England Puritanism into New England liberalism is one of the great tragedies of American history . . . and unfortunately, this took place prior to any foreign Marxist influence. Apparently the extreme Calvinism just burned people out and left behind Unitarians and Transcendentalists.

Much of what we now associate with the South actually originated in New England, including the Baptist church and even college football. However angry contemporary conservatives are with post Calvinist Yankee liberalism, we must never forget what a great debt we owe to the original, Fundamentalist Yankees.

Ironically, the same liberal Jews who think the South hates them identify with the old "theocratic" Puritans, even though the modern Southerner is more Puritan than New England is now. One reason is the Yankee obsession with education which, like in the "organized Jewish community," eventually became secularized and hostile to religion. But it didn't start out that way. For some reason Protestant Southerners are held to be illiterate, even though Protestantism in every environment has always encouraged literacy so its people could read the bible for themselves. Another reason is the ridiculous idea almost universally held that contemporary New England liberalism is the direct logical descendant of New England Puritanism (Jonathan Edwards is somehow responsible for Ted Kennedy).

Somehow the contemporary Southern Protestant has become the illiterate, anti-Semitic medieval Catholic peasant in the popular imagination. Just try figuring that out! Especially in light of the Southern Fundamentalism bashing of the modern Catholic Church.

75 posted on 12/29/2013 10:53:54 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Rhode Island institutionalized freedom of religion, not that they’re in New England but it’s to their credit. Pennsylvania to an extent, too. They weren’t all rigid and closed.

Rhode Island has always been considered part of New England.

76 posted on 12/29/2013 10:55:15 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Piranha

Politics-wise, the Post crushes the Times. Otherwise, the Times crushes the Post.

It’s sad that people are satisfied reading trash like the Post.

The Wall Street Journal is the right combination of intelligent reporting and accurate political insight. I don’t know of a single city daily in America that accomplishes this.

If the day comes, that such a city daily appears, I will be ecstatic, but it will never happen.


77 posted on 12/29/2013 10:55:51 AM PST by sakic
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To: the scotsman

Driving Miss Daisy.


78 posted on 12/29/2013 10:56:24 AM PST by glorgau
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To: sgtyork

Ignorance really is bliss.


79 posted on 12/29/2013 10:56:45 AM PST by sakic
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To: thecodont
Gen. Robert E. Lee allowed his Jewish soldiers to observe all holy days, while Gens. Ulysses S. Grant and William T. Sherman issued anti-Jewish orders.

Never heard this one before.

It's 100% true. Though Lee refused to grant holiday furloughs to Jewish soldiers because if he did so and everyone else started wanting their holidays off the army would have broken apart.

And though as the descendant of Southern Unionists and Civil War Republicans it pains me to admit it, the most anti-Semitic decree in American history was "Order No. 11," issued by General Grant in the Department of Tennessee on 12/17/1862.

80 posted on 12/29/2013 10:59:36 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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