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'I can't believe I've been shot': Last words of man killed by retired police captain (truncated)
Daily Mail Online ^ | January 13, 2014 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 01/14/2014 2:04:00 PM PST by centurion316

A 43-year-old father was shot dead by a retired cop in a Florida cinema after a row about him texting his three-year-old daughter as they waited for the movie to start, witnesses said.

Chad Oulson was shot in front of his wife and horrified movie-goers during an argument with 71-year-old Curtis Reeves.

The victim's wife, Nicole, was injured in the shooting after holding her hands out to try to shield Mr Oulson during the confrontation at a movie theater near Tampa on Monday.

After Reeves fired at his chest the victim was heard saying: 'I can't believe I got shot', according to Fox News.

Reeves, who is facing life in prison if found guilty, has been charged with second-degree murder. During a hearing on Tuesday he appeared via video link, wearing a green suicide smock - a fire resistant outfit that can't be torn or turned into a noose.

The judge ruled he should be held without bond because of the severity of the charges, but the no bond ruling can't be confirmed until a live hearing with Reeves.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: concealedcarry; cop; crime; curtisreeves; donutwatch; murder; popacap; popcorn
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To: tflabo

I guess this is the "suicide vest" as described...

101 posted on 01/14/2014 3:28:18 PM PST by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: Usually_Disappointed

Checking my joke waiting guide on the “Schoolyard massacre” to “Chavez gets cancer” range, with the corresponding timescale of “never” to “right now”, I’d say “dead jerk you never met making national news” rates one day.

I approve.


102 posted on 01/14/2014 3:34:33 PM PST by Rinnwald
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To: ErnBatavia

“I guess this is the “suicide vest” as described...”

Poorly named. A suicide vest would make it easy to kill yourself. Ask an arab.


103 posted on 01/14/2014 3:36:20 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: centurion316

Two years ago I was in New York and while at the Broadway show PHANTOM OF THE OPERA, a teen next to me was texting someone else. It was very distracting even though the characters in the texts were Chinese.

I felt like strangling him as he continued to do it all through the play. Every time there was a lull in the play out would come the phone.


104 posted on 01/14/2014 3:40:20 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: bill1952
If I’m on that jury - and it could be so - he has seen his last free days.

You should NOT be on ANY jury if you have made you mind up based on the limited facts provided by the "media".

105 posted on 01/14/2014 3:41:03 PM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: centurion316

An armed society is a polite society.


106 posted on 01/14/2014 3:43:41 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: beelzepug
"Did he? Or did he, as the article suggested, go to his car and retrieve his weapon before returning to his seat."

Please provide a link. I do not find this anyplace except for unsubstantiated and unsupported supposition on another post in here. They are not even making that claim on DU. The published police reports do not mention him leaving the building. Was he parked in the lobby or the bathroom?

107 posted on 01/14/2014 3:48:09 PM PST by oldenuff2no ( .)
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To: centurion316

Texting a THREE YEAR OLD?

I’ve been around some real jerks in movie theaters.

One man was chewing gum so loud (SMACK,SMACK,SMACK) you could hear him all over the theater.
A teen was constantly spitting on the floor.
Two women were constantly talking behind me.
Two women constantly giggling in front of me during a drama.
Then there is the coughers (hack, hack hack!)
Crying babies..The local theater had a special room for crying babies so they were no problem.
The list is endless. Now I wait till the DVD comes out.
I wonder why people don’t realize they are being jerks.


108 posted on 01/14/2014 3:51:12 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: oldenuff2no
That is absolutely unsupported supposition not supported by any facts. There is nothing in any of the stories that say or even suggest that the shooter left the building and the subsequent confrontation was about him turning in the rude man to the management. Unreported and unsupported speculation stated as fact does not lead to rational or truthful discussions.


The next time a cop stops you get three feet in front of him, jump at him, start screaming at him and then through a big container of popcorn in his face all at the same time and see just how many times he shoots you. My educated guess is that he will stop shooting when you hit the ground. That is what cops are trained to do, stop a threat and they only have to believe that it is a threat of great bodily harm or death to them. That decision will be made in a fifth of a heartbeat.

So all the eyewitnesses are lying, but we're going to rely on your Jean Dixon psychic vision as the more reliable account.

Take your medication before you shoot the TV, grandpa.

109 posted on 01/14/2014 3:52:08 PM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: centurion316

Back in the olden days I saw many a patron of the drive-in theater lose it because some jerk parked ahead of him insisted on pressing his brake peddle causing the brake lights to come on.

It is distracting, and if someone does it during the trailers you can almost bet they will be doing it during the movie.


110 posted on 01/14/2014 3:59:47 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I’m with ya. There are so many rude, truly unbelievable people out there...

I’ve even had a few Walter Mitty like fantasies about blowing them away. But the difference is, I know I’d go to jail, be talked about by FReepers, and imperil my soul before God. So I don’t.


111 posted on 01/14/2014 3:59:49 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: KC Burke

Never bring popcorn to a gunfight, not even double buttered.


112 posted on 01/14/2014 4:00:52 PM PST by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: centurion316

After a brief argument the retired “protector and servant” of the people went out of the theatre supposedly to find management to bring them back in to tell the texter to stop.

But he came back in without management.

There is a strong possibility that the real reason that he went out was to get his gun.

If security cameras catch him doing that then this is no longer second degree murder but Murder 1 — premeditated murder.


113 posted on 01/14/2014 4:01:26 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: autumnraine
"He is not a cop, he is a citizen."

That is correct as far as it goes but is misleading because it ignores a few very important facts. Fact, he is a retired cop which means he has been through many years of repetitive training on how to react to violence from all sources and in all situations. Fact, he was promoted within the police department which indicates his ability to make proper decisions at the proper time as dictated by that training. Do you really think he can unlearn those years of training? Where is that stop button located? Is he given an uninstall program at his retirement ceremony?

Without a doubt this turned out totally wrong for all involved but there are many things here that are not yet knows or discussed.

114 posted on 01/14/2014 4:03:56 PM PST by oldenuff2no ( .)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

He wasn’t texting a 3 year old, he was testing the day care center. Why what is printed here says that he was texting a 3 year old, I don’t know. That isn’t what the article says.


115 posted on 01/14/2014 4:06:19 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Anton.Rutter
"So all the eyewitnesses are lying, but we're going to rely on your Jean Dixon psychic vision as the more reliable account."

Tell me specifically what the eye witnesses said that I got wrong. Pleas provide links. I am not at all interested in what anyone thinks. Eye witness links please. If you can, you will, but if you don't then we will all know how honest you are.

116 posted on 01/14/2014 4:06:35 PM PST by oldenuff2no ( .)
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To: centurion316
Hey!

"Reeves claimed that he was in fear of being attacked after being hit in the face by an unknown object."

117 posted on 01/14/2014 4:06:37 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: TexasGunLover
The other man threw something at the ex-cop, he felt that he was in danger and shot the man.

CCW holders are trained to retreat. Cops are trained to confront.

Guess what happened here...

118 posted on 01/14/2014 4:08:56 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: trisham

he was *texting* the day care center.


119 posted on 01/14/2014 4:08:58 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: oldenuff2no

Post 113


120 posted on 01/14/2014 4:10:11 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: centurion316
The shooter, retired cop or not, had no authority to tell anyone to do anything. He can ask the guy to stop texting. He can complain to management. He can move to another seat.

Anything beyond that is aggressive behavior, & likely far more disruptive to the rest of the audience that a texter.

If his aim was to stop a disturbance in the theater, he did the exact opposite - he created one. This makes him the aggressor & spoils his claim of self defense.

I doubt he went outside to get his gun though, as most theaters will not let you leave & return without damn good reason.

121 posted on 01/14/2014 4:11:49 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Uncle Chip

What are you? A troll?


122 posted on 01/14/2014 4:12:26 PM PST by the_daug
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I know I’ve talked to well over two dozen people over the years who told me they entirely stopped going to the movies, due to such rude and distracting behavior by the fellow patrons. Seems to partly be a generational thing. The younger crowds have no concept of what used to be regarded as societal decorum, buttressed by a belief that any behavioral boundaries restricting them are an affront to their “freedom.”

Being disruptive in a theater used to be regarded as a pretty darned severe transgression. One that was NOT tolerated by either businesses or fellow patrons.


123 posted on 01/14/2014 4:12:51 PM PST by greene66
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To: oldenuff2no

I call malarkey. Was he trained to shoot to kill or defuse a situation?


124 posted on 01/14/2014 4:13:27 PM PST by autumnraine
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To: the_daug

stick it —


125 posted on 01/14/2014 4:16:30 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: oldenuff2no
I honestly think you're mentally defective if you need me to link to your own posts published twenty minutes ago. You dismiss all statements except for your personal "revelation" that is nothing more than fantasy and an excuse to shoot someone.

The next time a cop stops you get three feet in front of him, jump at him, start screaming at him and then through a big container of popcorn in his face all at the same time and see just how many times he shoots you.

Do your own links and tell us who witnessed this, other than you and your gun porn fantasy playing inside your own head.

126 posted on 01/14/2014 4:17:30 PM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: TheRhinelander
I take the cops side in this. All the guy had to do was shut off his damn cellphone. He got increasingly belligerent and the ex-cop obviously felt threatened. I’m sick and tired of belligerent bullies. Mean people suck. Don’t be an ass, you never know who you’re dealing with and what they have on them.

Whoa man. Sounds like you are getting increasingly belligerent there. Ex-cop means not a cop. Ex-cop means just like the rest of us. The rest of us are not going to get away with this.

127 posted on 01/14/2014 4:20:33 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The man's phone was not ringing, he wasn't talking on his cell phone, he was texting. Texting makes no noise and no flashing lights. I have been bothered by jerks in a movie theater but this movie hadn't even started yet. I can't imagine what set the cop off.

I'd be interested to know what happened or was said before the popcorn was thrown. Whatever happened, was it bad enough for someone to die because of it?

If I was on the jury, unless something shocking came out I'd vote guilty.

128 posted on 01/14/2014 4:23:31 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Rinnwald

“While unpleasant to have a jerk in your face, possibly throwing non-injurious things at you, it is not grounds for responding with deadly force. “

Maybe. It depends upon what else was going on and what the jerk was doing/saying. The ex-Captain is still probably going down, but the devil is in the details.


129 posted on 01/14/2014 4:25:26 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: autumnraine
Was he trained to shoot to kill or defuse a situation?

Depends on what time period you are talking about. These days cops "don't have time" to defuse the situation, and their departments are supporting this approach by buying military equipment and organizing SWAT teams, and by clearing officers of any wrongdoing if they happen to kill someone without a good reason.

130 posted on 01/14/2014 4:25:40 PM PST by Greysard
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To: centurion316
The "good" news is that the perp and the victim are both from the same race, so we'll be spared the idiocy of a years-long campaign of race-baiting in the media.

The bad news is that they're not black, which means the media won't simply ignore it.

131 posted on 01/14/2014 4:25:58 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: greene66

Forget about just movie theaters. We’ve moved so far away from any basic notion of societal or behavioral norms that you can’t even sit for more than 10 minutes in a group of strangers anymore without having someone p!ss you off over something or another.


132 posted on 01/14/2014 4:27:41 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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He had a history of thinking of himself as a theatre cop:

At the hearing on Tuesday, the court heard that Reeves had allegedly confronted a woman at a movie theater last month.

The judge was told that after hearing about the shooting on the news, a woman had contacted police to say Reeves had told her off for texting when she was watching a film on December 28.

Although she didn’t make a complaint at the time, the woman claimed Reeves had ‘glared at her the entire time throughout the movie and afterwards’ even following her to the rest room at one point.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538812/Gunman-shoots-husband-dead-injures-wife-dispute-texting-movie-Florida-theater.html#ixzz2qQE23QBD
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133 posted on 01/14/2014 4:28:41 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Mister Da
He can complain to management

Reeves did complain and the management failed to do their duty. As far as shooting the victim it appears that the victim escalated the bad behavior and threw popcorn at the suspect. If something is flying at my eyes I would close my eyes and if I thought I was being attacked at the same time I would pull my gun and shoot with my eyes closed.

134 posted on 01/14/2014 4:29:46 PM PST by the_daug
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To: Alberta's Child

***in a group of strangers anymore without having someone p!ss you off over something or another.***

That happened years ago in a hospital waiting room when a family thought it was great fun to pass gas and stink everyone else out.

Like the girl I knew years ago who thought it was fun to chew garlic and sicken the people sitting around her.


135 posted on 01/14/2014 4:32:41 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: oldenuff2no

In the current fashion, may I say that I “misspoke”. That scenario was actually brought up in the comments following the article. I didn’t mean to mislead anyone.

That said, unless we know for sure that he did contact theatre personnel and they didn’t respond, it is always a possibility and certainly ought to be looked into. However, he probably did have the .380 on him from the start, given his history. Maybe thinking he was being ignored by the staff put him over the edge.


136 posted on 01/14/2014 4:35:52 PM PST by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: centurion316
I wonder how retired police captains fare in prison?

If they are in GP, and the other inmates know about it, they will get killed. I knew a few former LEOs in the joint, during my career. Otherwise, they are in PC, or walk alone facilities, designed to protect them from the other criminals.

137 posted on 01/14/2014 4:36:48 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71a)
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To: oldenuff2no

re post #67
Did you forget the (/s)?
I hope so.


138 posted on 01/14/2014 4:36:49 PM PST by Dartman (CDN PM Stephen Harper may not be perfect, but we don't have to be ashamed or embarassed of him.)
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To: Uncle Chip

LOL


139 posted on 01/14/2014 4:39:00 PM PST by the_daug
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To: bobby.223
The post had to be Sarcasm. Nobody is that damn stupid.

Man, are you in for a rude awakening.

140 posted on 01/14/2014 4:39:37 PM PST by sport
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To: centurion316

If the ex-cop went out and got his gun, he should be executed by the State.

Sounds like he was prowling for phone users and looking for a fight.


141 posted on 01/14/2014 4:41:28 PM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: the_daug
Reeves did complain and the management failed to do their duty.

WRONG

You don't know that he said anything to management.

He got up and left the auditorium and then came back in a little later without management and then continued the argument.

We do know that shortly after leaving the auditorium and returning, he used his gun.

Is that why he left the auditorium -- to get his gun from his car.

That would make this premeditated murder.

142 posted on 01/14/2014 4:42:47 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
A suicide vest would make it easy to kill yourself. Ask an arab.

You're right!


143 posted on 01/14/2014 4:52:22 PM PST by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: autumnraine
"I call malarkey. Was he trained to shoot to kill or defuse a situation?"

If he was presented with a situation that he believed was an instant threat to great bodily harm or was life threatening he has been trained to respond instantly with deadly force. Not malarkey at all. All of the witnesses said the victim through a container of popcorn at him just before he got shot. The victim was in the row right below the shooter so there was maybe three feet between them.

Cops are trained to defend themselves, period. They make this decision in less than half of a second. He made the wrong decision but he did follow what he had been trained to do.

144 posted on 01/14/2014 4:52:37 PM PST by oldenuff2no ( .)
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To: centurion316

I’ll wait ‘til I see the full details, but until then:

1) Texting/phoning/etc. is what the LOBBY is for. I’m not sure about you, but EVERY movie in the recent past I’ve gone to see, the FIRST thing shown is the ‘Please turn off...’. It appears the victim lacked common courtesy.
2) 70+ yr old vs. 30+...yeah, THAT might be a reason to ‘fear for ones life’ (I haven’t seen/read of distances/confrontation/etc.)
3) Blows the whole ‘only cops’ meme from the Left

So far, it appears the cop is being charged (good)...


145 posted on 01/14/2014 4:52:38 PM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I felt like strangling him as he continued to do it all through the play. Every time there was a lull in the play out would come the phone.

Maybe you felt like strangling him, but you did not blow him into next week.

146 posted on 01/14/2014 4:53:10 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71a)
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To: Uncle Chip
Mr Cummings said the man in the back row, later identified as Reeves, got up and left the auditorium, presumably to get a manager.

But he came back after a few minutes and moments later, the argument between the two men resumed.

Officials said Mr Oulson asked Reeves if he reported him to management for using his phone.

I only know what I read. But if he did go get a gun that will have to be found out at a later date it not here in the text. I assume he always had it.

147 posted on 01/14/2014 4:54:23 PM PST by the_daug
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To: Hot Tabasco

Concealed Carry Laws are not all equal. Can issue, shall issue, public place restrictions, etc. etc. etc., I’m sure that you know all of that. Most of these impediments do not apply to retired LEO’s. They have that privilege for a reason and I recognize their need to have it. But to deny it to other law abiding citizens brings the “you don’t need it” argument into the equation. Turns out that the dead guy did need it, and he had a right to it.


148 posted on 01/14/2014 4:54:38 PM PST by centurion316
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To: oldenuff2no
All of the witnesses said the victim through a container of popcorn at him just before he got shot.

No they didn't.

The detectives said that nothing was thrown -- not even popcorn.

149 posted on 01/14/2014 4:56:34 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: i_robot73
It appears the victim lacked common courtesy.

No doubt. I'll even concede that the guy was a complete jerk and we all get pissed off by this kind of behavior. But, I stop short of murdering people, way short.

150 posted on 01/14/2014 4:57:36 PM PST by centurion316
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