Skip to comments.'I can't believe I've been shot': Last words of man killed by retired police captain (truncated)
Posted on 01/14/2014 2:04:00 PM PST by centurion316
A 43-year-old father was shot dead by a retired cop in a Florida cinema after a row about him texting his three-year-old daughter as they waited for the movie to start, witnesses said.
Chad Oulson was shot in front of his wife and horrified movie-goers during an argument with 71-year-old Curtis Reeves.
The victim's wife, Nicole, was injured in the shooting after holding her hands out to try to shield Mr Oulson during the confrontation at a movie theater near Tampa on Monday.
After Reeves fired at his chest the victim was heard saying: 'I can't believe I got shot', according to Fox News.
Reeves, who is facing life in prison if found guilty, has been charged with second-degree murder. During a hearing on Tuesday he appeared via video link, wearing a green suicide smock - a fire resistant outfit that can't be torn or turned into a noose.
The judge ruled he should be held without bond because of the severity of the charges, but the no bond ruling can't be confirmed until a live hearing with Reeves.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
I guess this is the "suicide vest" as described...
Checking my joke waiting guide on the “Schoolyard massacre” to “Chavez gets cancer” range, with the corresponding timescale of “never” to “right now”, I’d say “dead jerk you never met making national news” rates one day.
“I guess this is the “suicide vest” as described...”
Poorly named. A suicide vest would make it easy to kill yourself. Ask an arab.
Two years ago I was in New York and while at the Broadway show PHANTOM OF THE OPERA, a teen next to me was texting someone else. It was very distracting even though the characters in the texts were Chinese.
I felt like strangling him as he continued to do it all through the play. Every time there was a lull in the play out would come the phone.
You should NOT be on ANY jury if you have made you mind up based on the limited facts provided by the "media".
An armed society is a polite society.
Please provide a link. I do not find this anyplace except for unsubstantiated and unsupported supposition on another post in here. They are not even making that claim on DU. The published police reports do not mention him leaving the building. Was he parked in the lobby or the bathroom?
Texting a THREE YEAR OLD?
I’ve been around some real jerks in movie theaters.
One man was chewing gum so loud (SMACK,SMACK,SMACK) you could hear him all over the theater.
A teen was constantly spitting on the floor.
Two women were constantly talking behind me.
Two women constantly giggling in front of me during a drama.
Then there is the coughers (hack, hack hack!)
Crying babies..The local theater had a special room for crying babies so they were no problem.
The list is endless. Now I wait till the DVD comes out.
I wonder why people don’t realize they are being jerks.
The next time a cop stops you get three feet in front of him, jump at him, start screaming at him and then through a big container of popcorn in his face all at the same time and see just how many times he shoots you. My educated guess is that he will stop shooting when you hit the ground. That is what cops are trained to do, stop a threat and they only have to believe that it is a threat of great bodily harm or death to them. That decision will be made in a fifth of a heartbeat.
So all the eyewitnesses are lying, but we're going to rely on your Jean Dixon psychic vision as the more reliable account.
Take your medication before you shoot the TV, grandpa.
Back in the olden days I saw many a patron of the drive-in theater lose it because some jerk parked ahead of him insisted on pressing his brake peddle causing the brake lights to come on.
It is distracting, and if someone does it during the trailers you can almost bet they will be doing it during the movie.
I’m with ya. There are so many rude, truly unbelievable people out there...
I’ve even had a few Walter Mitty like fantasies about blowing them away. But the difference is, I know I’d go to jail, be talked about by FReepers, and imperil my soul before God. So I don’t.
Never bring popcorn to a gunfight, not even double buttered.
After a brief argument the retired “protector and servant” of the people went out of the theatre supposedly to find management to bring them back in to tell the texter to stop.
But he came back in without management.
There is a strong possibility that the real reason that he went out was to get his gun.
If security cameras catch him doing that then this is no longer second degree murder but Murder 1 — premeditated murder.
That is correct as far as it goes but is misleading because it ignores a few very important facts. Fact, he is a retired cop which means he has been through many years of repetitive training on how to react to violence from all sources and in all situations. Fact, he was promoted within the police department which indicates his ability to make proper decisions at the proper time as dictated by that training. Do you really think he can unlearn those years of training? Where is that stop button located? Is he given an uninstall program at his retirement ceremony?
Without a doubt this turned out totally wrong for all involved but there are many things here that are not yet knows or discussed.
He wasn’t texting a 3 year old, he was testing the day care center. Why what is printed here says that he was texting a 3 year old, I don’t know. That isn’t what the article says.
Tell me specifically what the eye witnesses said that I got wrong. Pleas provide links. I am not at all interested in what anyone thinks. Eye witness links please. If you can, you will, but if you don't then we will all know how honest you are.
"Reeves claimed that he was in fear of being attacked after being hit in the face by an unknown object."
CCW holders are trained to retreat. Cops are trained to confront.
Guess what happened here...
he was *texting* the day care center.
Anything beyond that is aggressive behavior, & likely far more disruptive to the rest of the audience that a texter.
If his aim was to stop a disturbance in the theater, he did the exact opposite - he created one. This makes him the aggressor & spoils his claim of self defense.
I doubt he went outside to get his gun though, as most theaters will not let you leave & return without damn good reason.
What are you? A troll?
I know I’ve talked to well over two dozen people over the years who told me they entirely stopped going to the movies, due to such rude and distracting behavior by the fellow patrons. Seems to partly be a generational thing. The younger crowds have no concept of what used to be regarded as societal decorum, buttressed by a belief that any behavioral boundaries restricting them are an affront to their “freedom.”
Being disruptive in a theater used to be regarded as a pretty darned severe transgression. One that was NOT tolerated by either businesses or fellow patrons.
I call malarkey. Was he trained to shoot to kill or defuse a situation?
stick it —
The next time a cop stops you get three feet in front of him, jump at him, start screaming at him and then through a big container of popcorn in his face all at the same time and see just how many times he shoots you.
Do your own links and tell us who witnessed this, other than you and your gun porn fantasy playing inside your own head.
Whoa man. Sounds like you are getting increasingly belligerent there. Ex-cop means not a cop. Ex-cop means just like the rest of us. The rest of us are not going to get away with this.
I'd be interested to know what happened or was said before the popcorn was thrown. Whatever happened, was it bad enough for someone to die because of it?
If I was on the jury, unless something shocking came out I'd vote guilty.
“While unpleasant to have a jerk in your face, possibly throwing non-injurious things at you, it is not grounds for responding with deadly force. “
Maybe. It depends upon what else was going on and what the jerk was doing/saying. The ex-Captain is still probably going down, but the devil is in the details.
Depends on what time period you are talking about. These days cops "don't have time" to defuse the situation, and their departments are supporting this approach by buying military equipment and organizing SWAT teams, and by clearing officers of any wrongdoing if they happen to kill someone without a good reason.
The bad news is that they're not black, which means the media won't simply ignore it.
Forget about just movie theaters. We’ve moved so far away from any basic notion of societal or behavioral norms that you can’t even sit for more than 10 minutes in a group of strangers anymore without having someone p!ss you off over something or another.
He had a history of thinking of himself as a theatre cop:
At the hearing on Tuesday, the court heard that Reeves had allegedly confronted a woman at a movie theater last month.
The judge was told that after hearing about the shooting on the news, a woman had contacted police to say Reeves had told her off for texting when she was watching a film on December 28.
Although she didn’t make a complaint at the time, the woman claimed Reeves had ‘glared at her the entire time throughout the movie and afterwards’ even following her to the rest room at one point.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538812/Gunman-shoots-husband-dead-injures-wife-dispute-texting-movie-Florida-theater.html#ixzz2qQE23QBD
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Reeves did complain and the management failed to do their duty. As far as shooting the victim it appears that the victim escalated the bad behavior and threw popcorn at the suspect. If something is flying at my eyes I would close my eyes and if I thought I was being attacked at the same time I would pull my gun and shoot with my eyes closed.
***in a group of strangers anymore without having someone p!ss you off over something or another.***
That happened years ago in a hospital waiting room when a family thought it was great fun to pass gas and stink everyone else out.
Like the girl I knew years ago who thought it was fun to chew garlic and sicken the people sitting around her.
In the current fashion, may I say that I “misspoke”. That scenario was actually brought up in the comments following the article. I didn’t mean to mislead anyone.
That said, unless we know for sure that he did contact theatre personnel and they didn’t respond, it is always a possibility and certainly ought to be looked into. However, he probably did have the .380 on him from the start, given his history. Maybe thinking he was being ignored by the staff put him over the edge.
If they are in GP, and the other inmates know about it, they will get killed. I knew a few former LEOs in the joint, during my career. Otherwise, they are in PC, or walk alone facilities, designed to protect them from the other criminals.
re post #67
Did you forget the (/s)?
I hope so.
Man, are you in for a rude awakening.
If the ex-cop went out and got his gun, he should be executed by the State.
Sounds like he was prowling for phone users and looking for a fight.
You don't know that he said anything to management.
He got up and left the auditorium and then came back in a little later without management and then continued the argument.
We do know that shortly after leaving the auditorium and returning, he used his gun.
Is that why he left the auditorium -- to get his gun from his car.
That would make this premeditated murder.
If he was presented with a situation that he believed was an instant threat to great bodily harm or was life threatening he has been trained to respond instantly with deadly force. Not malarkey at all. All of the witnesses said the victim through a container of popcorn at him just before he got shot. The victim was in the row right below the shooter so there was maybe three feet between them.
Cops are trained to defend themselves, period. They make this decision in less than half of a second. He made the wrong decision but he did follow what he had been trained to do.
I’ll wait ‘til I see the full details, but until then:
1) Texting/phoning/etc. is what the LOBBY is for. I’m not sure about you, but EVERY movie in the recent past I’ve gone to see, the FIRST thing shown is the ‘Please turn off...’. It appears the victim lacked common courtesy.
2) 70+ yr old vs. 30+...yeah, THAT might be a reason to ‘fear for ones life’ (I haven’t seen/read of distances/confrontation/etc.)
3) Blows the whole ‘only cops’ meme from the Left
So far, it appears the cop is being charged (good)...
Maybe you felt like strangling him, but you did not blow him into next week.
But he came back after a few minutes and moments later, the argument between the two men resumed.
Officials said Mr Oulson asked Reeves if he reported him to management for using his phone.
I only know what I read. But if he did go get a gun that will have to be found out at a later date it not here in the text. I assume he always had it.
Concealed Carry Laws are not all equal. Can issue, shall issue, public place restrictions, etc. etc. etc., I’m sure that you know all of that. Most of these impediments do not apply to retired LEO’s. They have that privilege for a reason and I recognize their need to have it. But to deny it to other law abiding citizens brings the “you don’t need it” argument into the equation. Turns out that the dead guy did need it, and he had a right to it.
No they didn't.
The detectives said that nothing was thrown -- not even popcorn.
No doubt. I'll even concede that the guy was a complete jerk and we all get pissed off by this kind of behavior. But, I stop short of murdering people, way short.
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