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'I can't believe I've been shot': Last words of man killed by retired police captain (truncated)
Daily Mail Online ^ | January 13, 2014 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 01/14/2014 2:04:00 PM PST by centurion316

A 43-year-old father was shot dead by a retired cop in a Florida cinema after a row about him texting his three-year-old daughter as they waited for the movie to start, witnesses said.

Chad Oulson was shot in front of his wife and horrified movie-goers during an argument with 71-year-old Curtis Reeves.

The victim's wife, Nicole, was injured in the shooting after holding her hands out to try to shield Mr Oulson during the confrontation at a movie theater near Tampa on Monday.

After Reeves fired at his chest the victim was heard saying: 'I can't believe I got shot', according to Fox News.

Reeves, who is facing life in prison if found guilty, has been charged with second-degree murder. During a hearing on Tuesday he appeared via video link, wearing a green suicide smock - a fire resistant outfit that can't be torn or turned into a noose.

The judge ruled he should be held without bond because of the severity of the charges, but the no bond ruling can't be confirmed until a live hearing with Reeves.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: concealedcarry; cop; crime; curtisreeves; donutwatch; murder; popacap; popcorn
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Apparently this guy didn't like people texting in the movie theater, even before the movie started. The penalty for noncompliance with demands to cease being death.

Of course, by federal law, retired law enforcement officer who meet certain conditions are permitted to concealed carry. It's just ordinary citizens who can be restricted from doing so in order to protect the public. I wonder who protects the public from retired LEO's?

1 posted on 01/14/2014 2:04:00 PM PST by centurion316
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To: centurion316

What was the movie?................


2 posted on 01/14/2014 2:08:22 PM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: centurion316

To serve, protect and defend-—yeh, right.


3 posted on 01/14/2014 2:10:14 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Red Badger

“you can bet your ass it won’t be them Cheerios”


4 posted on 01/14/2014 2:10:46 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Red Badger

Lone Survivor


5 posted on 01/14/2014 2:11:30 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: centurion316

I’m withholding judgment. I don’t trust that the media has given us the whole story.


6 posted on 01/14/2014 2:12:23 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: centurion316
The important thing is this retired police officer got home safe. /sarc

In a just world, he'd be hung from the neck until dead in front of the county courthouse.

7 posted on 01/14/2014 2:12:33 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: centurion316
What is this?... Attack of the old people week?

There was an article on FR earlier today about an old guy attacking a wheelchair bound man in Walmart for going through the 20 item express lane with 22 items.

8 posted on 01/14/2014 2:14:34 PM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: centurion316
he appeared via video link, wearing a green suicide smock - a fire resistant outfit that can't be torn or turned into a noose.

Hell, I would give him a noose, a razor blade, and a bottle of potassium cyanide and save the state the expense of trying and housing him.

9 posted on 01/14/2014 2:14:39 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: centurion316
During the hearing, Reeves' attorney said he 'had every right to defend himself' after the victim threw a bag of popcorn at him.

Yeah, people are killed or seriously injured by thrown popcorn on a daily basis. </sarcasm>

10 posted on 01/14/2014 2:14:44 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: P.O.E.

The lawyer’s going to argue that he felt an imminent danger of attack. Popcorn was thrown at him.

Really. That’s his “defense” at this point.


11 posted on 01/14/2014 2:16:53 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: centurion316

Kept texting and apparently popcorn was thrown. It is going to take a while before the aphorisim that “an armed society is a polite society” takes effect at a day-to-day cultural level.


12 posted on 01/14/2014 2:16:54 PM PST by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: Repeat Offender
In a just world, he'd be hung from the neck until dead in front of the county courthouse

So far it sounds like a clean self-defense shooting. The other man threw something at the ex-cop, he felt that he was in danger and shot the man.

I'm not sure how this couldn't be self-defense, but I'm sure they'll crucify him.
13 posted on 01/14/2014 2:17:22 PM PST by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: TexasGunLover
The other man threw something at the ex-cop, he felt that he was in danger and shot the man.

He allegedly threw popcorn at him. That justifies the use of deadly force?

14 posted on 01/14/2014 2:19:16 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: TexasGunLover

I believe he has to be in danger of great bodily harm. No one was ever killed or seriously wounded by flying popcorn kernels, to my knowledge.


15 posted on 01/14/2014 2:19:44 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: P.O.E.

Yeah, its pretty much the whole story. Several other threads about this in the last 24.

Fool is texting in the theater - BEFORE THE MOVIE STARTS.

Ex cop shoots him.

It’s a Floriduh thing.


16 posted on 01/14/2014 2:19:58 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: centurion316

Cops should not be allowed to carry firearms, and retired cops should be required to pass psychological exams to determine if they are fit to return to normal human status.


17 posted on 01/14/2014 2:22:47 PM PST by pallis
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To: Deo volente
The lawyer’s going to argue that he felt an imminent danger of attack. Popcorn was thrown at him.

"Look, look, look, Mr Knowall. The 16-ton weight is just ONE WAY of dealing with a popcorn killer. There are millions of others!"

18 posted on 01/14/2014 2:23:25 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: centurion316

I take the cops side in this. All the guy had to do was shut off his damn cellphone. He got increasingly belligerent and the ex-cop obviously felt threatened.

I’m sick and tired of belligerent bullies. Mean people suck. Don’t be an ass, you never know who you’re dealing with and what they have on them.


19 posted on 01/14/2014 2:23:47 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: TexasGunLover
Somebody said "popcorn was thrown." Not that the victim threw popcorn, or that the shooter threw popcorn.

And throwing popcorn does not constitute lethal force in response.

Furthermore, this jackass menaced a woman at the same theater just a few weeks prior to the incident.

Hang him.

20 posted on 01/14/2014 2:24:23 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Deo volente
No one was ever killed or seriously wounded by flying popcorn kernels, to my knowledge.

Maybe a handful of unpopped corn...traveling at 1100fps.

21 posted on 01/14/2014 2:25:12 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: TexasGunLover

Are you effin nuts or was that sarcasm???


22 posted on 01/14/2014 2:25:23 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: centurion316

I like to consider the positive effect, in that maybe some idiots will think twice before texting, playing noisy games, or talking on cell-phones in a theater. Not unlike the way drivers suddenly became more polite to one another after that spate of CA freeway shootings.

People obviously don’t respect laws nor societal norms anymore, but having the possibility of your bad behavior result in some perturbed stranger drilling a hole in your head makes for a better, more agreeable society.


23 posted on 01/14/2014 2:25:52 PM PST by greene66
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To: TexasGunLover

An ex cop is called a citizen. Would you advocate killing someone who threw popcorn at a regular citizen in a movie theater? For what it is worth, if this “citizen” didn’t like this man texting his 3 year old daughter.. he could have moved his seat or complained to management.


24 posted on 01/14/2014 2:25:55 PM PST by momtothree
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To: DoodleDawg

IIRC under Florida law the aggressor cannot claim self-defense. You cannot provoke a confrontation and then shoot your vic, but IANL.


25 posted on 01/14/2014 2:26:36 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: TheRhinelander

So being an unarmed ass means that you should be shot??
You are a loon buddy.
If I’m on that jury - and it could be so - he has seen his last free days.


26 posted on 01/14/2014 2:27:54 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: centurion316

“I wonder who protects the public from retired LEO’s?”

Don’t know about retired LEOs, but the Founders organized Committees of Safety to protect themselves from the king’s henchmen. Those committees were quite effective. No reason we can’t do the same.


27 posted on 01/14/2014 2:28:06 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: centurion316
Of course, by federal law, retired law enforcement officer who meet certain conditions are permitted to concealed carry.

And in the state of Fla, as well as here in Michigan, so are your average citizens.........

Your argument could just as easily have been directed to a citizen who chose the same illegal course of action........

28 posted on 01/14/2014 2:28:19 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: greene66

There is a law against texting at a movie??-idiot!


29 posted on 01/14/2014 2:29:07 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: P.O.E.
"I’m withholding judgment. I don’t trust that the media has given us the whole story."

I'm with you on this. The shooter asked them to stop texting several times then got up and went to the theater management/employees and reported the situation to them. When he returned the other guy initiated a confrontation. What is not being reported is what happened and was said during that confrontation right before the shooting. If he threatened the retired cop and the man took it as a direct threat to his life then the situation changes. There is a lot in this story we do not know.

Florida does have a stand your ground law that is very clear that you have no duty to retreat of try and get away. This is a sad situation but we do not know where the legalities fall right now.

I have and will again turn someone in for texting or talking on a phone after the lights go down and I'm watching the previews or the movie. I paid for the ability to watch what I want to watch. I do not justify the cops shooting this guy but I do understand his frustration and up until he pulled the trigger he was well within his rights to do what he did and say what he said.

30 posted on 01/14/2014 2:29:58 PM PST by oldenuff2no ( .)
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To: Repeat Offender

He has a little smirk on his face in his courtroom photo.

Life in prison at a minimum.


31 posted on 01/14/2014 2:30:33 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: Repeat Offender
Furthermore, this jackass menaced a woman at the same theater just a few weeks prior to the incident.

I wonder if the guy has undiagnosed Alzheimers.

32 posted on 01/14/2014 2:30:37 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: bill1952

...and he should be punished. He did the wrong thing, what he should have done is walk away.

The fact is the guy would be alive he wasn’t a jerk. Just think of all the people saved from the jerk’s behavior. I’m sure this wasn’t his first episode.


33 posted on 01/14/2014 2:30:52 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: centurion316
Mr Cummings said the man in the back row, later identified as Reeves, got up and left the auditorium, presumably to get a manager.

But he came back after a few minutes, without a manager and appearing upset. Moments later, the argument between the two men resumed, and the man in the front row stood up.

Officials said Mr Oulson asked Reeves if he reported him to management for using his phone.

Mr Cummings said the men started raising their voices and popcorn was thrown. Authorities said Reeves took out a gun, and Mr Oulson's wife put her hand over her husband, and that's when Reeves fired his weapon, striking Mrs Oulson in the hand and her husband in the chest.

So he left the theatre, got his gun and came back. That would make it 1st degree murder. Nice to be a cop.

34 posted on 01/14/2014 2:31:53 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: JennysCool

A short drop and a sudden stop will cure that.


35 posted on 01/14/2014 2:32:04 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: TheRhinelander
I’m sick and tired of belligerent bullies.

So you take their side.

36 posted on 01/14/2014 2:32:06 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: centurion316

Noit sure what 2nd degree murder penalty is in florida. Hopefully this hothead shooter will be put away for a long time.


37 posted on 01/14/2014 2:32:37 PM PST by plain talk
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To: oldenuff2no
Florida does have a stand your ground law that is very clear that you have no duty to retreat of try and get away.

Florida law also says that a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself. The shooter was not struck. He was not attacked. The victim had no weapon. Nobody in their right mind could possibly classify this as a situation where deadly force was justified.

38 posted on 01/14/2014 2:34:26 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: bill1952; TheRhinelander

The post had to be Sarcasm. Nobody is that damn stupid.


39 posted on 01/14/2014 2:35:15 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: centurion316

CLICK for more at the link


40 posted on 01/14/2014 2:35:36 PM PST by deport
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To: centurion316

Maybe the texting made “bleep bloop blap dingie” sounds that triggered the ex-LEO’s response.


41 posted on 01/14/2014 2:35:44 PM PST by SkyDancer ("How Can People Ask Forgiveness If They Won't Forgive Others?")
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To: TheRhinelander
Mean people suck.

So shoot them on sight?

42 posted on 01/14/2014 2:35:59 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: bobby.223

Right. Some people can not help trolling. It’s in their nature.


43 posted on 01/14/2014 2:37:06 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: TheRhinelander

He was texting the babysitter of his three year old daughter, BEFORE the movie started. Is there ever a time when you think it’s okay for a parent to check on their kids, or should they be subject to the whims of temperamental bullies at all times? Maybe you could post a schedule of times when it’s okay for parents to check on their kids, and a list of devices they’re allowed to use for this task. Is it okay to send a fax an hour before the movie?


44 posted on 01/14/2014 2:37:39 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: bill1952
There is a law against texting at a movie?

There is if they're ask to stop! The consequence to continue to text is terrible.

I don't know what to make of it but I know the press has a slant too.

45 posted on 01/14/2014 2:38:44 PM PST by the_daug
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To: centurion316

PS - maybe his lawyer should get a change of venue to like, say, Fullerton,CA - cops got away there with beating a homeless guy to death while he was crying out for his dad (a former cop) - got the not guilty verdict.


46 posted on 01/14/2014 2:38:51 PM PST by SkyDancer ("How Can People Ask Forgiveness If They Won't Forgive Others?")
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To: pallis

“Cops should not be allowed to carry firearms, and retired cops should be required to pass psychological exams to determine if they are fit to return to normal human status.”

Exactly! We have a female friend who married our town’s first Chief of Police. The guy has now been retired for at least ten years and we have had to abandon our friendship because this man has failed to “return to normal human status.” He thinks that everyone is a crook. He one time told my wife he could follow her in a car for a block or two and find something for which he could stop her! He thought it was hee her haw haw funny to use his .357 revolver to threaten people who followed him too closely after he was retired, an act that in this state is a felony for “normal citizens.”


47 posted on 01/14/2014 2:39:24 PM PST by vette6387
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To: deport
A thread from yesterday with some 100+ comments if anyone is interested.

Retired officer arrested in Wesley Chapel theater shooting


48 posted on 01/14/2014 2:39:37 PM PST by deport
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To: centurion316

I think this falls under the “Don’t mess with an old guy, he might just kill you” rule.


49 posted on 01/14/2014 2:40:06 PM PST by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: KC Burke
Kept texting and apparently popcorn was thrown.

I'm quite certain that the dead man was offended at being asked or directed to stop texting and things escalated from there. But, unless something a little more deadly than popcorn was thrown at the retired police captain, I suspect that he has a serious legal problem.

Police officers are trained to defuse confrontations, trained in the use of firearms, and trained in the law on use of deadly force.

Since he is retired and clearly not on duty, one of his main lines of defense will not be available to him.

I wonder how retired police captains fare in prison?

50 posted on 01/14/2014 2:40:38 PM PST by centurion316
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