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Accused Movie Theater Shooter Said He Was 'In Fear of Being Attacked'
Yahoo News/Good Morning America ^ | STEVE OSUNSAMI, SENI TIENABESO and COLLEEN CURRY (GMA)

Posted on 01/15/2014 5:09:04 AM PST by Anton.Rutter

Edited on 01/15/2014 6:21:09 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

The elderly man accused of shooting a movie theater patron in Florida after an argument over text messaging told police that he fired because he "was in fear of being attacked."

Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco said at a news conference today that the victim, Chad Oulson, 43, was texting his young daughter's babysitter when an argument erupted with Reeves over texting during previews before the movie "Lone Survivor."


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To: Luke21

The situation is actually more about a government agent who once had power over his fellow citizen

being a dangerous nut.


51 posted on 01/15/2014 5:58:20 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: txrefugee
Picture yourself here. You carry a pistol for self protection. Someone in the theater is texting on a phone, you ask them politely to stop and they go off on you. You go and speak to the manager. When you come back the guy won't let it go, he is getting more and more irate, words get more and more heated, then he throws his bag of popcorn at you. What do you really think is going to happen next? Do you think he's suddenly going to come to his senses, apologies and offer to pay your dry cleaning bill? Throwing the popcorn was a clear escalation of force that went past a rational tipping point, the next step was going to be physical, even the aggressors wife was trying to hold him back. The elderly man clearly suspected what was going to happen next. He wasn't afraid of the popcorn, he was afraid of a younger and stronger man getting his hand on him before he could deploy his legal, and rational, means of self defense.

It might not have happened this way but it could have.

52 posted on 01/15/2014 5:58:54 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ryan71; backwoods-engineer

Thanks for seconding my opinion - I was hoping my statement wouldn’t lead to strife with my FRiend and fellow Spirko fan B-E.


53 posted on 01/15/2014 6:00:30 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Another thread from yesterday with over 200 comment if anyone is interested.

'I can't believe I've been shot': Last words of man killed by retired police captain (truncated)

Police Report

54 posted on 01/15/2014 6:00:39 AM PST by deport
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To: Age of Reason

“Thowing stuff at a victim is sometimes a technique to distract the victim’s attention...”

Yes, that’s true, but (assuming the shooter really did feel that way) how about pulling your gun and not firing it immediately?

I think the one person here has a good point about the vic’s wife, that it is more likely she was restraining him (since I’m sure she knows she’s not Superwoman who can deflect speeding bullets with her bare hands); however in a situation like that one might make a gesture of protection without thinking about it.

However, I’m struck by what another person here said, did this man go to his car and get his gun? That would really paint him into a very bad corner.

There were a lot of other people in the theater, it seems the argument had not gotten so out of control that they noticed, at least until the popcorn was thrown. That’s a pretty quick escalation and not really the kind of behavior you expect to see from a trained person. It’s more like what would happen between some ghetto gangbangers.

Add to that the fact that there was likely NO REASON at all for this. The movie hadn’t even started! If he didn’t like who he was sitting near he & his wife should have just moved to different seats.

I hope they give the shooter a full medical workup, because it wouldn’t surprise me to find out he’s got some underlying issue, like a brain tumor or dementia, that made him behave in this irrational way.

You know, the texting guy might have been acting like a completely rude jerk, but you can’t kill people for that or the only 2 jobs left would be undertaker and grave digger.


55 posted on 01/15/2014 6:00:45 AM PST by jocon307
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To: MattinNJ

So was I. Their actions was changed me.


56 posted on 01/15/2014 6:05:04 AM PST by sport
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To: txrefugee
However, even an old SWAT officer ought not to have been in “fear of his life” from an attack by popcorn.

Where do you reckon that old SWAT officer learned to say he was 'in fear for his life'? How many court appearances did he have when he used that line to justify a bit of excessive force? The world will never know.

Those must have been some excellent previews to grow that upset by someone texting during them.
57 posted on 01/15/2014 6:05:31 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: Durus

Clearly he had no problems intimidating women who texted without his permission. Perhaps he’d be better off murdering them...much less “frightening” for him. /s


58 posted on 01/15/2014 6:06:46 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: mabarker1

“This is NOT even close to the “poor little st. trayvon” case. This is MURDER. Plain and simple.”

Probably.

“I have not seen where the Manager confirms any contact. This EX-PIG went to the car and got the gun, came back and Murdered this Man.”

Thats called jumping to conclusions. We dont know if he left the theater to get his gun or just couldnt find a manager.


59 posted on 01/15/2014 6:06:57 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Luke21

The real angle is “ex-cop bully with authority issues.”


60 posted on 01/15/2014 6:08:16 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Anton.Rutter

I’ve not been a happy camper when people are using their cells in theaters either. What’s so hard about getting up and goin to the lobby if you feel you MUST use it? Oh yea—that would be so offensive to have to get up off your lazy but do so so. I certainly don’t condone the shooting, but I certainly have felt that same level of frustration in having to watch self important jackas’ behaviors. Maybe management should make clients check their cells at the door.


61 posted on 01/15/2014 6:08:24 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Travis McGee

Thank you for posting this. That was my take on it also. As I have stated many time, yours is one of the few opinions on this forum I respect.


62 posted on 01/15/2014 6:08:49 AM PST by sport
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To: Onelifetogive

Well, they have a theater full of witnesses, so I’m sure they’ll be able to determine that.


63 posted on 01/15/2014 6:08:49 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Durus

“Picture yourself here. You carry a pistol for self protection... he was afraid of a younger and stronger man getting his hand on him before he could deploy his legal, and rational, means of self defense”.

Picture yourself here. You decided to verbally confront a much younger and stronger man at a movie instead of moving your seat. The scenario escalates and someone throws popcorn at you. You decide at this point the stronger, younger person may get the upper hand so you shoot. Your bullet is six inches off the target and you shoot the ten year old in front of the younger, stronger man. (or the older lady, or the teenager or whomever). ***My point here is this was a bad shoot no matter what. He didn’t know for sure if he was going to hit his target or the person in front, or next to the man. He acted with complete disregard to the people in the entire movie house. Thank goodness the gun jammed... or we could be hearing about more coffins and grieving families over texting.


65 posted on 01/15/2014 6:09:21 AM PST by momtothree
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To: sport

“The jackboot lickers, the badge lickers, and the cop worshipers will be along shortly to defend the killer and call you a cop hater.”

The irony is strong in this one.


66 posted on 01/15/2014 6:09:37 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: Onelifetogive

That’s something most here haven’t noticed. I’m wondering if the texter didn’t trigger an instinctual response by the ex-cop. Throwing popcorn isn’t exactly adult behavior. It does indicate the amount of rage the husband had building or it could have been mistaken for a diversionary tactic prior to an attack. The older ex-cop was facing a much younger man.

The one thing no one seemed to want to address in the Trayvon Zimmerman confrontation was the amount of rage that lead to the attack on Zimmerman.


67 posted on 01/15/2014 6:09:37 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Durus

Yeah, and when you shoot somebody for that, you go to PRISON.

Every CCW class pounds home the shoot-no shoot situations, and pounds home the message that if you do a “bad shoot,” you will go to prison.

This is more of an issue of an ex-cop bully who thought he could still order his fellow citizens around, and when it didn’t work out, he pulled a gun in anger and shot the man.

It was during the PREVIEWS for goodness sake! Commercials! Not the movie!


68 posted on 01/15/2014 6:11:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Age of Reason

That seems to have fallen into disregard as lots of people not so worthy of respect became elderly.


69 posted on 01/15/2014 6:11:25 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: mabarker1

After reading details, it does sound like STG to me. The older guy feared for his safety after popcorn is thrown at him.

The dead guy sounds like St. Tratvon with popcorn.


70 posted on 01/15/2014 6:11:25 AM PST by sagar
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To: TheRhinelander

Wow. Get thee to a shrink!


71 posted on 01/15/2014 6:11:32 AM PST by petitfour
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To: GeronL; Revolting cat!

He’s certianly been repeatedly attacked on FR.


72 posted on 01/15/2014 6:11:36 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Anton.Rutter; GeronL
Reeves' statements raise the possibility that he could try to invoke Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, made famous by the shooting in which George Zimmerman killed unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012.

George Zimmerman didn't use a "Stand Your Ground" defense and neither has this man (yet).

The gun grabber media is spinning this Floriduh shooting story (again).

73 posted on 01/15/2014 6:13:12 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: sport
There is no defending the indefensible. This guy screwed up big time. His response was disproportionate to the threat, whether real or perceived. In the interests of disclosure I feel obligated to tell you I'm a cop. Most of my fellow officers would agree with me that the shooter screwed up royally. If fact, it was a topic at work last night, and all those I spoke to agreed the shooter was in the wrong.

BTW, calling someone you disagree with names does nothing to strengthen your argument(IMHO).

CC

74 posted on 01/15/2014 6:13:14 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Age of Reason

This is a lesson for all. If an old man starts yelling at you, you have the right to yell back. But wisdom should kick in. You do not know the state of mind of a verbally abusive stranger. Best thing was to agree so you diffuse the situation and move yourself to a different location in the theater.
I had a crazy encounter once when I was in a check out line at Home Depot. A couple in front of me, the woman did not know that she dropped her keys on the floor. I drew her attention to the keys by pointing it out on the floor. She was about to get them, her boyfriend started yelling at me. I guess he was trying to impress her. Why do you force a lady to pick up her own keys, you should be doing that!!!??? The cashier and everyone in the check out line was surprised. I could have told him to drop dead, but to diffuse the situation I picked up the keys for her and told him he was right. The woman was more embarassed by her boyfriends antics. Her boyfriend was smug that he made me pick up the keys for her. Judging from the woman’s body language, he showed a side of his personality she does not seem to like. Guess who really lost in the incident.
Minutes later I was on my way home without an incident. If I told her boyfriend to drop dead, who knows how the incident would turn out. Arrest, serious injury or even death. That is the world we live in. Until it gets more civil, one must be smart to survive. After all according to the US Constitution I have the right to walk the streets of an inner city black neighborhood late at night, but one doesn t.


75 posted on 01/15/2014 6:13:22 AM PST by Fee
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To: Durus

EXACTLY.

I might add that the amount of hatred for cops shown here is disturbing.


76 posted on 01/15/2014 6:13:35 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: sport
The jackboot lickers, the badge lickers, and the cop worshipers will be along shortly to defend the killer and call you a cop hater.

yep--there was at least one freeper defending the retired cop yesterday...

77 posted on 01/15/2014 6:13:55 AM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: freeangel

If you carry a pistol with your CCW permit, it is up to you to move away from confrontations, not to escalate them to the point of a totally avoidable homicide.

This lesson is pounded home in every CCW class.

The real issue here is “ex-cop bully who thought he could still order people to obey him.”


78 posted on 01/15/2014 6:14:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Anton.Rutter; GeronL
An off-duty Sumter County Sheriff's deputy who was in the theater quickly subdued the alleged gunman and took possession of his weapon, police said. The off-duty deputy, who held Reeves until arresting officers arrived, was not immediately identified.

Did the Off-duty officer have a gun?

Another instance of a good guy with a gun confronting a bad guy with a gun?

79 posted on 01/15/2014 6:15:23 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Travis McGee

It doesn’t matter of it was during the previews. The rule is when the lights go down you shut off your cellphone. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Obey the rules or get the &^%$ out.


80 posted on 01/15/2014 6:16:19 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: UCANSEE2
Gee... I remember the good ole’ days when People got new LED watches for Christmas and set the alarm to go off during the movie. No one got killed, that I remember.

Reeves has not retired then.

81 posted on 01/15/2014 6:16:22 AM PST by sport
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To: txrefugee; Uncle Chip
Did the shooter really go to the manager, or did he go to the car to get his gun?

This is Uncle Chip's unsubstanitated BS meme.

Produce the video of him leaving the building and heading to his car.

Find the evidence of theater staffers denying the shooter ever confronted them about a rude patron.

82 posted on 01/15/2014 6:16:37 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: TheRhinelander

And some douchebags just love the taste of black leather boots, and instinctively snap to attention and throw out their right arms anytime men in uniform go goose-stepping past.


83 posted on 01/15/2014 6:16:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Anton.Rutter

I am ashamed of the response I see on Freerepublic about this (Check my signup - I am NO newby!)

Many on FR are prejudging this EXACTLY the same way the race-grievance industry prejudged Zimmerman. Zimmerman MUST be guilty because Trayvon was black and this shooter MUST be guilty because he’s an ex-cop.

I don’t know who is wrong here (and would NEVER presume to know based on the initial shoddy, biased reporting.) But TOO many on FR “know” what happened because of who the shooter was...


84 posted on 01/15/2014 6:17:25 AM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: Travis McGee

I suspect, given the ex cop’s age, that there might be a degree of dementia involved as well. Preoccupation with something trivial, in this case texting (the account where he followed some woman to a restroom over it on a previous occasion), is one of the signs.

It isn’t as though the victim was talking on his phone in a disruptive and disturbing manner. I’ve been in movies where that was the case. And more than one person complained to management about it. I fully expect people to text during previews and even movies anymore. Most under 50’s are completely addicted to it. No one expects to get flack over it anymore. Especially since it wasn’t during the movie itself.


85 posted on 01/15/2014 6:17:30 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Lee'sGhost

I asked about it (my post is long after yours though) because the articles I saw yesterday did not mention the off duty officer (or the pistol jamming).


86 posted on 01/15/2014 6:18:00 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Onelifetogive; scripter
That the wife’s hand was shot shielding her husband is not a compelling argument to me.

that she was trying to shield her husband makes sense to me... it is a natural reaction... now my husband would have been mad at me if i had tried to shield him... my instructions are to move the hell out of the way... if he dies trying to defend us, then he dies... but he sure as heck does not want me to be harmed in the process... (same instructions to our kids)...

87 posted on 01/15/2014 6:18:35 AM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Travis McGee
The real issue here is “ex-cop bully who thought he could still order people to obey him.”

Agree

88 posted on 01/15/2014 6:18:56 AM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Boogieman
That seems to have fallen into disregard as lots of people not so worthy of respect became elderly.

excellent...

90 posted on 01/15/2014 6:19:43 AM PST by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Durus
It might not have happened this way but it could have.

You are correct and if your aunt had been plumbed different, she would be your uncle.

91 posted on 01/15/2014 6:19:54 AM PST by sport
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To: grania

actually they were texting during previews...If it was such a problem, he could have switched seats...or they could have


92 posted on 01/15/2014 6:19:56 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Anton.Rutter

We now have this:

Hamilton identified himself and grabbed the barrel of the gun, Greiner said. Reeves resisted initially, but then let go of the gun, Greiner said.

Greiner said the gun was jammed and could not have been fired again. He was unsure whether Reeves planned to fire a second shot.

The sheriff’s office confirmed that Reeves talked with a manager to complain about Oulson’s cell phone use, Detective Timothy Harris said.

“The manager said he was glad that he made him aware of it and (Reeves) returned to the theater,” Harris said.

The shooting happened, though, before the manager made it inside the theater to take action, he said.

http://tbo.com/news/crime/suspect-in-theater-shooting-goes-before-judge-today-20140114/


93 posted on 01/15/2014 6:19:56 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Age of Reason
Thowing stuff at a victim is sometimes a technique to distract the victim's attention long enough for you to hit the victim with your fist or a weapon.

Yep, provides cover for a suckerpunch.

Maybe he should've just taken a beatdown as Trayvon's girfriend said about George Zimmerman.

94 posted on 01/15/2014 6:19:58 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Durus

“Picture yourself here. You carry a pistol for self protection. Someone in the theater is texting on a phone, you ask them politely to stop and they go off on you. You go and speak to the manager. When you come back the guy won’t let it go, he is getting more and more irate, words get more and more heated, then he throws his bag of popcorn at you. What do you really think is going to happen next? Do you think he’s suddenly going to come to his senses, apologies and offer to pay your dry cleaning bill? Throwing the popcorn was a clear escalation of force that went past a rational tipping point, the next step was going to be physical, even the aggressors wife was trying to hold him back. The elderly man clearly suspected what was going to happen next. He wasn’t afraid of the popcorn, he was afraid of a younger and stronger man getting his hand on him before he could deploy his legal, and rational, means of self defense.”

One of the things to consider before starting a confrontation while armed is how this will play before a jury. Grandpa seems to have a pet peeve about people using their phone in a theater. Rather than change seats he decided to say something. If the guy’s response was rude he could still try to de-escalate the situation, he didnt. He decided to rat the guy out to the manager. The texter is also being a D**K by not de-escalating this. This could have been easily avoided if either one would have been reasonable.


96 posted on 01/15/2014 6:21:05 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Anton.Rutter

Prouder than yours is.


97 posted on 01/15/2014 6:21:31 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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Stupid old man. He murdered this guy for texting during a movie trailer. He should die in prison.


98 posted on 01/15/2014 6:21:57 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Anton.Rutter

Reads like the author feels ‘stand your ground’ and ‘self defense’ are one in the same. The shooter may have a case of self defense, but no way stand your ground.


99 posted on 01/15/2014 6:21:57 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: UCANSEE2

I’ve sat behind jokers who text throughout the movie. It is really annoying to have their phone light up every 10 seconds. But sheesh, not enough to engage them. Like most folks here have said, you just CHANGE SEATS.

I’ve also had a couple ‘road rage’ experiences with - RETIRED cops. Yes, they think THEY are gods; Don’t we know who they THINK they are??? How DARE I pass them??

I’m not knocking all cops. But I’ve witnessed enough abusing ones to not like them very much anymore. Which is a darn shame. I hope this clown doesn’t have ‘connections’ with the court and gets off easy.


100 posted on 01/15/2014 6:22:32 AM PST by joethedrummer
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