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Put America’s First Principle Back Into Practice

Posted on 02/02/2014 10:09:40 AM PST by Jacquerie

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1 posted on 02/02/2014 10:09:41 AM PST by Jacquerie
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2 posted on 02/02/2014 10:11:30 AM PST by Jacquerie
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Whom do you trust, in our current crop of power-grabbers, to attend and write an Article V Constitution? I don’t trust any of them. States will send their worst party bottom-feeders as delegates, I guarantee it. The party hacks will have a field day.

Meanwhile, did you know George Soros is also pushing for an Article V?

I don’t like the idea of an Article V in this environment. I am confident there will be many good folks along to gently explain to me why I’m wrong, and I’m willing to listen.


3 posted on 02/02/2014 10:17:51 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Jacquerie

“...Perhaps the people are too corrupt to care...”
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Or too ignorant...


4 posted on 02/02/2014 10:18:02 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Jacquerie

Thanks! We need to remember, be reminded often, that even though things don’t look great, or necessarily in our favor, to keep on fighting the good fight. It is not just for us, but for the generations that follow, that we must lay down our own form of sacrifice for the better good. We will then stand before God with a clear conscience. Some seem to forget that this life is not he one that counts, but that the things DONE in this life have consequences into the next. For good or for bad.


5 posted on 02/02/2014 10:20:18 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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Do you disagree with what must be done, and/or heavily discount the probability of achieving it?

I didn't know Soros was on the side of our Framers. Strange bedfellows indeed.

6 posted on 02/02/2014 10:21:06 AM PST by Jacquerie
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First principles ping!
7 posted on 02/02/2014 10:23:44 AM PST by Jacquerie (The First Fatass is an insult to the republic she despises.)
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BTTT your most excellent piece!


8 posted on 02/02/2014 10:25:23 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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Excellent commentary!


9 posted on 02/02/2014 10:25:43 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Most of the current population is definitely too ignorant, having been kept that way by the corruption in the educational system.


10 posted on 02/02/2014 10:26:04 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I don’t like the idea of an Article V in this environment. I am confident there will be many good folks along to gently explain to me why I’m wrong, and I’m willing to listen.

My problem with it is that even it was a sound conservative out come it would be adhered to anymore than the constitution we already have.

I do support the idea of states banding together to tell the feds to stuff it.

11 posted on 02/02/2014 10:27:57 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

would = wouldn’t


12 posted on 02/02/2014 10:28:24 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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>>Until power is divided once again, until the national government is re-federalized, <<

Not re-federalized, what we need is for it to be de-federalized. Get the feds out of every nook and cranny of our lives and get them back into the business that they should be which is defense of the nation as a whole. Now they defend every international corporation that contributes to our political system. The EPA is a mess. So is the NEA, the BLM, Army Corps of Engineers. You name it and the feds have screwed it up good.


13 posted on 02/02/2014 10:37:21 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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And I’m sure George Soros wants the same Constitution that would come out of an Article V as the founders would have, right? Strange bedfellows indeed. No, Soros likes the idea because he sees it as a chance to wipe us out, once and for all.

I do not disagree with the need for something major needing to be done to get us to the founding principles. As Las Vegas Ron points out, what assurances do we have the newly formed government wouldn’t weasel around the new document? It will be the same bunch of lawyers weaseling the document we have now. I suppose we could write in a clause that all current office-holders are forbidden to occupy positions in the new government, but they are like teeth on a shark: A newer, deadlier row of them are line up right behind the ones presently in use.

Probability of achieving what we need to do? Pretty slight, but then the odds have been against us from the Founding, so what’s new?


14 posted on 02/02/2014 10:39:13 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Until I spoke with my FL state rep early last year, I had a neutral at best opinion of our legislature.

I suspect my legislature is typical of the other 56, minus CA, IL, NY(?). It is a part time gig, in session for three months. Most reps are independent business people and know very well of the heavy DC hand. My rep is a nurseryman, 1,000 acres under cultivation and 150 employees. He doesn't need the added time burden required to be a rep.

I'm saying we shouldn't equate state pubbies and democrats with their pompous, tyrannical cousins in DC.

Article V is the only peaceful means we have. Let's use it.

15 posted on 02/02/2014 10:41:40 AM PST by Jacquerie (Christianity is the heart of our culture. To destroy America, destroy Christianity.)
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It always surprises my lefty acquantances when I claim to be a big proponent of the federal government. This is not at all the same thing as being a proponent of a big federal government. It is in fact the opposite; being an apologist for federal governance: a co-equal branch with the various states, but with specific powers to coordinate amongst the states, the common defense, court systems, treaties, apportionment of taxes, standardize weights and measures, the coining of a common currency... What we have instead is a central government. This leviathan was born the day Senators were no longer elected by their respective state legislatures.

An all powerful central government that enforces law arbitrarily is not much different than anarchy.

16 posted on 02/02/2014 10:45:58 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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Great post!! Thanks, Jacquerie.


17 posted on 02/02/2014 10:47:40 AM PST by loveliberty2
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IMHO, all we need to do is enforce the constitution we have now. The only problem with it is that it is not followed.

I think at this point the best way to accomplish that is through the states....for a peaceful resolution anyway.


18 posted on 02/02/2014 10:47:47 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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We need an Article V state amendment convention to reestablish first principles so badly my old bones dream about it every night. The Feds needs to be cut back and the States need to be stepped up to the front seats. Let the people decide what rules and laws they want in their own states.

The United Nations was put together for the express purpose of the New World Order plan. The United Nations Agenda 21 is part of that plan and it has taken hold in every local government that I know of. The most disheartening part is most people have no idea it is happening right under their noses.

How do we awaken the general populace?


19 posted on 02/02/2014 10:50:16 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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The states are very aware of what ails our republic. They endure it from both ends. They have pissant bureaucrats from DC pushing them and their constituents around. Said constituents complain to state reps who have no ability to correct the problem.

Nothing is guaranteed, but I know that over half the states filed suit against Obamacare. AZ was told it couldn't defend its southern border. States around the nation are so much as told not to identify voters. The media purposely avoid our nascent resistance movement. Good. Let it build below the national radar.

So I believe the states know they can perhaps regain the power taken away from them 101 years ago. I doubt the states will dance around the edges, for structural reforms are needed and they know it, regardless of party.

Structural changes, like repeal of the 17th cannot be ignored.

If, as you predict, the states will weasel around amendments, we'll be no worse off.

20 posted on 02/02/2014 10:51:12 AM PST by Jacquerie (Christianity is the heart of our culture. To destroy America, destroy Christianity.)
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