Skip to comments.HCSO: Houston area father kills boy he found in daughter's bedroom
Posted on 03/13/2014 12:11:59 PM PDT by SopaterEdited on 03/13/2014 12:16:50 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Homicide investigators are gathering evidence after a father shoots and kills a teenage boy he found in his daughter's bedroom.
A spokesperson for the Harris County Sheriff's office said Deputy constables from pct 4 responded to a 911 call around 2:20 a.m. about a shooting in the Bridgestone Lake Subdivision in Northwest Harris County.
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We have cell phones now, and I work at home, and way to miss the damn point completely. You sound like a retard.
Well, speaking as a father with 3 teenage daughters, if one wants to invite a girlfriend in the house when I’m not around, they don’t really have to call me. I mean... at 16, I let her drive. I figure if she wants to invite a girlfriend in to whatever it is they do, she doesn’t have to go hunt me down for permission.
So if a 16 year old girl wants to invite her best friend and next door neighbor in, she has to call you and ask permission? And I’M the retard??
then he would have made your daughter a liar culpable for the death of another mother’s teenager
Well, I guess we have different rules, because if ANYONE was coming to my house, whether I was home or not, my daughters called me or my wife (since it really wasn’t all that hard to “hunt” us down) and asked permission.
Hell, my youngest daughter is 18, still lives at home, and she STILL asks if her friends can come over.
Some people roll differently than others, this doesn’t make them wrong, it simply makes them different.
This detail makes all the difference to me. Clearly, this man did not charge into his daughter's bedroom hellbent on killing the boy.
Well said. I pray that I never have to violently defend myself or my family, for any reason at all.
Agree. Preceded by a struggle, and it was at 2:30 am. I predict some tension at family reunions though.
Okay Mr. Hardass. I have 18 and 16 year old daughters, and trust them enough to invite a friend in without tracking me down for permission. If you don’t trust your late teenage children THAT much, and their judgement is that questionable, then good luck when they hit the real world.
But, your house, your rules.
Not celebrating as that is the act of knee-jerk liberals.
The father thought he was a rapist and he wouldn’t obey commands.
Are you defending this guy because this is something you are stupid enough to do?
I trust my children, but not other people’s children.
Yep, my house, my rules.
Oh, that’s funny!
You know the problem with you is that you seem to think that the only way you can make your point is to be an asshole. I thought we were having a a simple discussion. No need to call names and be such a smart ass. If you have a point, make it; no need to add the names and snide remarks.
I trust my children, I DON’T TRUST PEOPLE I DON’T KNOW! A GREAT case in point would be this situation on which we are commenting.
I am pretty sure that this boy ASSUMED that he knew this girl well enough that she would at least take up for him and admit that she knew him and help IF this situation arose. Instead, she said, “I don’t know him!” He trusted her with his life and unfortunately, it cost him that very price.
In my home I have valuables, spare keys, tools, guns, etc... I am not willing to allow my kids to put my family, our only home and all our possessions, some of which I use to make a living, at risk, just to prove that I trust them.
They have lots of friends over, my 18 year old had a sleep over with three of her friends (when she was 17) when my wife and I went to Galveston for a weekend. Of course, I knew all three of the girls she had over and I knew that nothing was going to happen, because I knew her and those involved. My girls had friends that had “expressed consent” to come over at anytime - after I got to know their friends.
So, I am involved in my daughters lives and that of their friends, I guess I am just too much of a dad and not enough of a trusting friend.
Well...my three oldest, who are out of the house, have seemed to make it quite well on their own through their up bringing, so I don’t think I did that bad of a job.
And, it is MY house (not theirs) and it is MY rules (not yours).
“Certainly the teenage boy should have been exceedingly polite, respectful, conciliatory, apologetic and obedient to the father.”
This is especially true if the 16 year old is pregnant through this escapade. Someone unthinking enough to do this probably took no other precautions either.
“I knew all three of the girls she had over and I knew that nothing was going to happen, because I knew her and those involved.”
Agreed. OTOH, if it went down as described, it was justifiable homicide. He'd be no-billed anywhere in Texas.
Sad for everyone, but the father is not at fault.
The way you put it, it sounds like evolution in action. There are times that stupidity can be lethal.
Well, his screen name fits.
I would not even have to go that far:
In my own brilliantly misspent yoot, I have had the occasion to hear the boots on the stairs, and the familiar ka'chink, and the panicked gathering of clothes, and the ungainly naked leap from a second story window, and the run (like who flung the chunk) for the tree line...
I knew the risk going in. I knew exactly what those 'boots on the stairs' meant. Had I hid under the bed, or made any move other than the one I did, I would be very dead right now.
Ya just don't mess with a man's daughter. And doubly so in his own house. That a man might be reasonable under that condition is laudatory - But certainly not expected. In fact, what happened is 'what is to be expected'. And every pimple-faced horn dog knows it going in.
Those were not the facts available to the father at the time. He sees a stranger in bed with his daughter. If this had been a boyfriend that the family was familiar with it would have been a different story. So the kid’s a stranger to the girl’s father. The girl claims not to know him. The father has no idea how old the kid is or whether he’s a known sex offender or not. He shoots the guy after the guy makes a sudden move. Could have been going for a weapon. There were a LOT of unknown variables but the facts known to the father justified the shooting.
Yes, the kid deserves to be dead based on the father’s perspective. Yes, the father is innocent of any wrongdoing and the girl is guilty of behavior which led to the kid’s death. Would the father act differently if he knew all the relevant facts? I’m guessing he would. But that’s a separate issue.
Well then Daddy, you won't be all that surprised when you find some kid in your house bangin' your sixteen year old.
Tragedy for all involved.
You do stuff and sometimes bad things happen.
Unless the kid directly threatened an attack, this was murder.
All the tough guys on this thread are wrong.
End of subject.
Yeah, 'cuz teenaged daughters are much stupider than teenaged boys, right? This guy's a dangerous individual to own a gun.
Castle doctrine would only apply if the kid broke in to the house, not if he was invited in. So the guy might be in trouble.
You think two underagers having sex means one deserves to die?!?
Either the dad or the daughter is going to see the inside of the courtroom.
No, he was screwing this mans little girl.
Semantics. Pretty sure the girl's dad screwed someone's "little girl" in order to be a father. Maybe he could be shot and killed, too?
Especially an armed angry father.
It is not whether he deserved it, but if he lived in Texas, he should have known better.
The problem is, you don’t have a right to pull a gun on just anyone that happens to be in your home and give them orders to be obeyed at their mortal peril. There are rules as to when you have the right to do that, and when you don’t.
Since the boy was an invited guest, the father didn’t have that right, even if the father wasn’t the one who invited him. The daughter’s lie may have led him to believe that he had that right, but I don’t know if just that belief will protect him from prosecution.
In the end, the father’s lawyers may have to make a case of self-defense, but that is a higher standard and they would have to try to show that there was a reasonable belief that he was in danger, from a probably naked and unarmed teenage boy.
So, in your opinion, if someone lied and implied you were a rapist, it would be fine for someone to shoot you dead before ascertaining the facts?
WHy is the father under such restraints? Was he combative?
What a heart breaking tragedy.
You've obviously never lived in Texas. The "Castle doctrine" in Texas is very strong. If someone is in your house or on your property without your permission, and they do ANYTHING to make you feel they are a threat to you, your family or your property, you can shoot them dead. You don't have to wait until they have a weapon, until they take a swing at you, or anything like that. The fact that the boy was in his house at 2 AM, in his daughter's room, and his daughter said she didn't know him is plenty of reason for the father to consider him a threat. The fact that he grabbed for something is just additional cause.
It is sad that the boy lost his life, and I am sure the dad will have some issues to deal with as a result. But you will never get a Texas grand jury to indict based on the facts that were given in the story. Unless something comes out that hasn't yet been told, such as the father shot the kid while he was lying face down on the floor, the only legla problems the father will have is the lawsuit that will be filed by the boy's parents.
Looks like he is getting a ride in am ambulance, while in police custody. Hmm. Article said no arrests made.
And he should have had enough sense not to get into an argument with an enraged father.
The enraged father should have kept his head and used better judgement than either of the two teens. He murdered a teenaged boy.
“Sneaking into a man’s home to bang his minor daughter...in the middle of the night...in Texas...”
That’s almost like one of those number puzzles where you have to guess the next number in the sequence.
“I believe many of you are mistaken in the belief that anyone is happy someone is dead”
When people say stuff like “good riddance”, then I don’t think it’s a mistake to assume they are happy with the outcome.
I’ve never been in that EXACT situation (although a couple mighty similar) and I can attest to the fact that adrenline is wildly off the charts in every character in the drama.
The only jury that will hear this will be the grand jury. In Texas, the indictment has to come from the grand jury, not the police or the prosecutor. And based on the cases I observed while living in Houston, it will take no time at all for the grand jury to "no-bill" this case.
I remember a case back in the early 90's, when I was living in Houston. Someone from out-of-town, a Brit I believe, went out on the town and got drunk. Coming back, he could not remember which house he was staying in. He walked up to a house he thought looked familiar and knocked on the door loudly. When no one answered, he walked around to the back door and knocked again. The lady who lived in the home was frightened by this, and shot him dead through the closed door! She was never indicted, a fact that made the British government very unhappy.
Throw the daughter in prison. Her immediate claim to her father that she didn’t know him, led to his death.
What? She told her father she didn’t know him which caused him to think the boy had broken in and raped his daughter against her will. Think about that for a minute. Her LIE got that boy killed. SHE caused his death. The father thought he was protecting his daughter.
There is a difference between saying he got what he deserved and saying what happened to him was his own fault. I'm don't think you can say he "deserved" to die, but no one can be blamed for his death except him (and maybe the daughter as well).
WHy is the father under such restraints? Was he combative?
He wasn’t feeling good and was being taken to a medical facility.
He’s on a gurney with medical equimpment etc.
“I don’t know how you do things, but my daughter, at 16, had no authority to invite anyone into MY house without my expressed permission.”
Well, you may not think so, but legally it’s a different story. Take, for example, this Texas case which ruled a 14 year old’s allowing police into a home without a warrant amounted to an admissible search:
The standards vary from state to state, but it is pretty common for minor children to be able to lawfully allow people on to the property where they live.