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HCSO: Houston area father kills boy he found in daughter's bedroom
My Fox Houston ^ | 3/13/14 | Kathryn Yglecias

Posted on 03/13/2014 12:11:59 PM PDT by Sopater

Edited on 03/13/2014 12:16:50 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Homicide investigators are gathering evidence after a father shoots and kills a teenage boy he found in his daughter's bedroom.

A spokesperson for the Harris County Sheriff's office said Deputy constables from pct 4 responded to a 911 call around 2:20 a.m. about a shooting in the Bridgestone Lake Subdivision in Northwest Harris County.


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To: bigdaddy45

We have cell phones now, and I work at home, and way to miss the damn point completely. You sound like a retard.


101 posted on 03/13/2014 2:06:48 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: ExTxMarine

Well, speaking as a father with 3 teenage daughters, if one wants to invite a girlfriend in the house when I’m not around, they don’t really have to call me. I mean... at 16, I let her drive. I figure if she wants to invite a girlfriend in to whatever it is they do, she doesn’t have to go hunt me down for permission.


102 posted on 03/13/2014 2:07:06 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Trailerpark Badass

So if a 16 year old girl wants to invite her best friend and next door neighbor in, she has to call you and ask permission? And I’M the retard??


103 posted on 03/13/2014 2:08:15 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: MeganC

then he would have made your daughter a liar culpable for the death of another mother’s teenager

happy family?


104 posted on 03/13/2014 2:09:48 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: bigdaddy45

Well, I guess we have different rules, because if ANYONE was coming to my house, whether I was home or not, my daughters called me or my wife (since it really wasn’t all that hard to “hunt” us down) and asked permission.

Hell, my youngest daughter is 18, still lives at home, and she STILL asks if her friends can come over.

Some people roll differently than others, this doesn’t make them wrong, it simply makes them different.


105 posted on 03/13/2014 2:10:43 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: deport
The father then called 911, but an argument ensued . . .

This detail makes all the difference to me. Clearly, this man did not charge into his daughter's bedroom hellbent on killing the boy.

106 posted on 03/13/2014 2:12:00 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: ExTxMarine

Well said. I pray that I never have to violently defend myself or my family, for any reason at all.


107 posted on 03/13/2014 2:13:44 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: ontap

Agree. Preceded by a struggle, and it was at 2:30 am. I predict some tension at family reunions though.


108 posted on 03/13/2014 2:14:05 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: ExTxMarine; Trailerpark Badass; bigdaddy45
Hell, my youngest daughter is 18, still lives at home, and she STILL asks if her friends can come over.

I'm with ExTxMarine & Trailerpark Badass on this one.

No one comes over without my or my wife's permission. They can make the rules when they have their own house.
109 posted on 03/13/2014 2:18:28 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater
Cum opportunis adhibitis multi cortice problemata solvantur. - (lat.) Many problems may be solved with the timely use of a cork.
110 posted on 03/13/2014 2:20:46 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Sopater; ExTxMarine; Trailerpark Badass

Okay Mr. Hardass. I have 18 and 16 year old daughters, and trust them enough to invite a friend in without tracking me down for permission. If you don’t trust your late teenage children THAT much, and their judgement is that questionable, then good luck when they hit the real world.

But, your house, your rules.


111 posted on 03/13/2014 2:23:09 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

Not celebrating as that is the act of knee-jerk liberals.

The father thought he was a rapist and he wouldn’t obey commands.

Are you defending this guy because this is something you are stupid enough to do?


112 posted on 03/13/2014 2:28:23 PM PDT by Eaker (Sweat dries, blood clots and bones heal so suck it up buttercup.)
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To: bigdaddy45; ExTxMarine; Trailerpark Badass

I trust my children, but not other people’s children.

Yep, my house, my rules.


113 posted on 03/13/2014 2:28:57 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: cuban leaf

Oh, that’s funny!


114 posted on 03/13/2014 2:36:07 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: bigdaddy45

You know the problem with you is that you seem to think that the only way you can make your point is to be an asshole. I thought we were having a a simple discussion. No need to call names and be such a smart ass. If you have a point, make it; no need to add the names and snide remarks.

I trust my children, I DON’T TRUST PEOPLE I DON’T KNOW! A GREAT case in point would be this situation on which we are commenting.

I am pretty sure that this boy ASSUMED that he knew this girl well enough that she would at least take up for him and admit that she knew him and help IF this situation arose. Instead, she said, “I don’t know him!” He trusted her with his life and unfortunately, it cost him that very price.

In my home I have valuables, spare keys, tools, guns, etc... I am not willing to allow my kids to put my family, our only home and all our possessions, some of which I use to make a living, at risk, just to prove that I trust them.

They have lots of friends over, my 18 year old had a sleep over with three of her friends (when she was 17) when my wife and I went to Galveston for a weekend. Of course, I knew all three of the girls she had over and I knew that nothing was going to happen, because I knew her and those involved. My girls had friends that had “expressed consent” to come over at anytime - after I got to know their friends.

So, I am involved in my daughters lives and that of their friends, I guess I am just too much of a dad and not enough of a trusting friend.

Well...my three oldest, who are out of the house, have seemed to make it quite well on their own through their up bringing, so I don’t think I did that bad of a job.

And, it is MY house (not theirs) and it is MY rules (not yours).


115 posted on 03/13/2014 2:37:27 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Tenacious 1

“Certainly the teenage boy should have been exceedingly polite, respectful, conciliatory, apologetic and obedient to the father.”


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


116 posted on 03/13/2014 2:45:05 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: OldNewYork
I predict some tension at family reunions though.

This is especially true if the 16 year old is pregnant through this escapade. Someone unthinking enough to do this probably took no other precautions either.

117 posted on 03/13/2014 2:47:59 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: ExTxMarine

“I knew all three of the girls she had over and I knew that nothing was going to happen, because I knew her and those involved.”


Surely there are SCORES of parents who make the same claim, and NEVER discover how many times they were “wrong” about well they thought they “knew” their children, and their friends.


118 posted on 03/13/2014 2:54:26 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: bigdaddy45
It would be one thing if the guy was 25. He was 17. She was 16. She invited him in. To me, his death is not something to be overjoyed about.

Agreed. OTOH, if it went down as described, it was justifiable homicide. He'd be no-billed anywhere in Texas.

Sad for everyone, but the father is not at fault.

119 posted on 03/13/2014 3:08:31 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Sopater
Although the lie certainly didn't help the boy at all, his inability to remain perfectly still while being held a gunpoint in a home in which he was not a welcomed guest by the owner, could in fact have directly resulted in his demise.

The way you put it, it sounds like evolution in action.  There are times that stupidity can be lethal.

120 posted on 03/13/2014 3:11:31 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: bigdaddy45
Really? So she’s 16 years old, home after school, and a girlfriend comes over, and she’s not allowed to invite her into the house unless you are at home to provide actual permission. Wow.

Well, his screen name fits.

121 posted on 03/13/2014 3:13:14 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: ctdonath2; bigdaddy45
He knew he was sneaking into a home under conditions where his presence would be seriously unwelcome. He shouldn’t have been there and he knew it, and she knew it, and she denied inviting him, and she denied knowing him, and he made a movement which a reasonable person could conclude had unacceptable odds of grave harm, and the homeowner had reason to believe someone was about to die, and he had but a split second to decide who that would be.

I would not even have to go that far:

In my own brilliantly misspent yoot, I have had the occasion to hear the boots on the stairs, and the familiar ka'chink, and the panicked gathering of clothes, and the ungainly naked leap from a second story window, and the run (like who flung the chunk) for the tree line...

I knew the risk going in. I knew exactly what those 'boots on the stairs' meant. Had I hid under the bed, or made any move other than the one I did, I would be very dead right now.

Ya just don't mess with a man's daughter. And doubly so in his own house. That a man might be reasonable under that condition is laudatory - But certainly not expected. In fact, what happened is 'what is to be expected'. And every pimple-faced horn dog knows it going in.

122 posted on 03/13/2014 3:13:27 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: bigdaddy45

Those were not the facts available to the father at the time. He sees a stranger in bed with his daughter. If this had been a boyfriend that the family was familiar with it would have been a different story. So the kid’s a stranger to the girl’s father. The girl claims not to know him. The father has no idea how old the kid is or whether he’s a known sex offender or not. He shoots the guy after the guy makes a sudden move. Could have been going for a weapon. There were a LOT of unknown variables but the facts known to the father justified the shooting.

Yes, the kid deserves to be dead based on the father’s perspective. Yes, the father is innocent of any wrongdoing and the girl is guilty of behavior which led to the kid’s death. Would the father act differently if he knew all the relevant facts? I’m guessing he would. But that’s a separate issue.


123 posted on 03/13/2014 3:19:44 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad
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To: bigdaddy45; Sopater; ExTxMarine; Trailerpark Badass
Okay Mr. Hardass. I have 18 and 16 year old daughters, and trust them enough to invite a friend in without tracking me down for permission.

Well then Daddy, you won't be all that surprised when you find some kid in your house bangin' your sixteen year old.

124 posted on 03/13/2014 3:20:40 PM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
Well then Daddy, you won't be all that surprised when you find some kid in your house bangin' your sixteen year old.

Ouch.
125 posted on 03/13/2014 3:22:47 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

Tragedy for all involved.

You do stuff and sometimes bad things happen.


126 posted on 03/13/2014 3:36:57 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: Sopater

Unless the kid directly threatened an attack, this was murder.

All the tough guys on this thread are wrong.

End of subject.


127 posted on 03/13/2014 3:37:09 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Ingtar
The reaction to this story (for married men) might very well depend on whether they have or had a teenaged daughter.

Yeah, 'cuz teenaged daughters are much stupider than teenaged boys, right? This guy's a dangerous individual to own a gun.

128 posted on 03/13/2014 3:45:28 PM PDT by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: SADMILLIE

Castle doctrine would only apply if the kid broke in to the house, not if he was invited in. So the guy might be in trouble.


129 posted on 03/13/2014 3:47:11 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Eaker

You think two underagers having sex means one deserves to die?!?


130 posted on 03/13/2014 3:49:36 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Either the dad or the daughter is going to see the inside of the courtroom.


131 posted on 03/13/2014 3:51:12 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Eaker
Screwing his girlfriend?

No, he was screwing this man’s little girl.

Semantics. Pretty sure the girl's dad screwed someone's "little girl" in order to be a father. Maybe he could be shot and killed, too?

132 posted on 03/13/2014 3:51:52 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: SoothingDave

Especially an armed angry father.


133 posted on 03/13/2014 3:53:33 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: bigdaddy45

It is not whether he deserved it, but if he lived in Texas, he should have known better.


134 posted on 03/13/2014 3:55:21 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Sopater

The problem is, you don’t have a right to pull a gun on just anyone that happens to be in your home and give them orders to be obeyed at their mortal peril. There are rules as to when you have the right to do that, and when you don’t.

Since the boy was an invited guest, the father didn’t have that right, even if the father wasn’t the one who invited him. The daughter’s lie may have led him to believe that he had that right, but I don’t know if just that belief will protect him from prosecution.

In the end, the father’s lawyers may have to make a case of self-defense, but that is a higher standard and they would have to try to show that there was a reasonable belief that he was in danger, from a probably naked and unarmed teenage boy.


135 posted on 03/13/2014 3:55:52 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: skinkinthegrass

So, in your opinion, if someone lied and implied you were a rapist, it would be fine for someone to shoot you dead before ascertaining the facts?


136 posted on 03/13/2014 3:57:43 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: deport

WHy is the father under such restraints? Was he combative?


137 posted on 03/13/2014 3:58:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Sopater

What a heart breaking tragedy.


138 posted on 03/13/2014 3:59:35 PM PDT by tioga
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To: gdani
Prisons & death rows have been & still are filled with people who killed in a "heat of the moment" situation.

You've obviously never lived in Texas. The "Castle doctrine" in Texas is very strong. If someone is in your house or on your property without your permission, and they do ANYTHING to make you feel they are a threat to you, your family or your property, you can shoot them dead. You don't have to wait until they have a weapon, until they take a swing at you, or anything like that. The fact that the boy was in his house at 2 AM, in his daughter's room, and his daughter said she didn't know him is plenty of reason for the father to consider him a threat. The fact that he grabbed for something is just additional cause.

It is sad that the boy lost his life, and I am sure the dad will have some issues to deal with as a result. But you will never get a Texas grand jury to indict based on the facts that were given in the story. Unless something comes out that hasn't yet been told, such as the father shot the kid while he was lying face down on the floor, the only legla problems the father will have is the lawsuit that will be filed by the boy's parents.

139 posted on 03/13/2014 4:00:47 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: little jeremiah

Looks like he is getting a ride in am ambulance, while in police custody. Hmm. Article said no arrests made.


140 posted on 03/13/2014 4:00:57 PM PDT by tioga
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To: SoothingDave
And now he's dead. She should have admitted what she had done.

And he should have had enough sense not to get into an argument with an enraged father.

The enraged father should have kept his head and used better judgement than either of the two teens. He murdered a teenaged boy.

141 posted on 03/13/2014 4:07:02 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“Sneaking into a man’s home to bang his minor daughter...in the middle of the night...in Texas...”

That’s almost like one of those number puzzles where you have to guess the next number in the sequence.


142 posted on 03/13/2014 4:08:53 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: ExTxMarine

“I believe many of you are mistaken in the belief that anyone is happy someone is dead”

When people say stuff like “good riddance”, then I don’t think it’s a mistake to assume they are happy with the outcome.


143 posted on 03/13/2014 4:09:35 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: tioga

Thank you.

I’ve never been in that EXACT situation (although a couple mighty similar) and I can attest to the fact that adrenline is wildly off the charts in every character in the drama.


144 posted on 03/13/2014 4:10:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I thought the only loaded weapon the boy had was his turgid pecker. Well, it’ll be up to the jury to decide.

The only jury that will hear this will be the grand jury. In Texas, the indictment has to come from the grand jury, not the police or the prosecutor. And based on the cases I observed while living in Houston, it will take no time at all for the grand jury to "no-bill" this case.

I remember a case back in the early 90's, when I was living in Houston. Someone from out-of-town, a Brit I believe, went out on the town and got drunk. Coming back, he could not remember which house he was staying in. He walked up to a house he thought looked familiar and knocked on the door loudly. When no one answered, he walked around to the back door and knocked again. The lady who lived in the home was frightened by this, and shot him dead through the closed door! She was never indicted, a fact that made the British government very unhappy.

145 posted on 03/13/2014 4:10:03 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Sopater

Throw the daughter in prison. Her immediate claim to her father that she didn’t know him, led to his death.


146 posted on 03/13/2014 4:11:05 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Will88

What? She told her father she didn’t know him which caused him to think the boy had broken in and raped his daughter against her will. Think about that for a minute. Her LIE got that boy killed. SHE caused his death. The father thought he was protecting his daughter.


147 posted on 03/13/2014 4:14:07 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: bigdaddy45
I’m not saying its an unreasonable consequence. My problem with some who are either a) celebrating the outcome, or b) implying the kid got exactly what he deserved.

There is a difference between saying he got what he deserved and saying what happened to him was his own fault. I'm don't think you can say he "deserved" to die, but no one can be blamed for his death except him (and maybe the daughter as well).

148 posted on 03/13/2014 4:14:16 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: little jeremiah

WHy is the father under such restraints? Was he combative?

************

He wasn’t feeling good and was being taken to a medical facility.
He’s on a gurney with medical equimpment etc.


149 posted on 03/13/2014 4:17:43 PM PDT by deport
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“I don’t know how you do things, but my daughter, at 16, had no authority to invite anyone into MY house without my expressed permission.”

Well, you may not think so, but legally it’s a different story. Take, for example, this Texas case which ruled a 14 year old’s allowing police into a home without a warrant amounted to an admissible search:

http://www.tjjd.texas.gov/publications/reviews/11/11-3-15.aspx

The standards vary from state to state, but it is pretty common for minor children to be able to lawfully allow people on to the property where they live.


150 posted on 03/13/2014 4:18:19 PM PDT by Boogieman
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