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Paranoia leads Vladimir Putin to the point of no return
The Telegraph ^ | 16 Mar 14 | Angus Roxburgh

Posted on 03/15/2014 11:34:31 PM PDT by elhombrelibre

As Sunday’s referendum, in which the people of Crimea will decide whether to join Russia, approaches, the images on Russian television are astonishing. They are more propagandistic and venomous than anything I can remember even from Soviet times. Breathless presenters whip up hysteria with bloodcurdling stories of atrocities being committed by the “neo-Nazi junta” now governing Ukraine. Overheated “victims” beg Putin to help, kindly Russians offer to give refuge to the terrified people fleeing Ukraine, and menacing music accompanies montages of swastikas, fascist thugs armed with clubs, and black-and-white images of Hitler’s troops and burning villages.

It is all apparently aimed at preparing the public to accept that there may be war, and that Russia will be fighting in a just cause. Yet I have a horrible feeling that President Putin believes all this stuff. He receives his information mainly from his trusted secret services – men like himself, schooled in the dark arts of KGB disinformation. I worked as a media consultant to the Kremlin from 2006 to 2009, close enough to gain a sense of Putin’s growing paranoia.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: paranoidputinism

1 posted on 03/15/2014 11:34:32 PM PDT by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

Wow, this writer is totally ignorant of geopolitics.


2 posted on 03/15/2014 11:41:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: elhombrelibre

The error the writer makes is in assuming that what is visible really is how things are. If Putin was dethroned tomorrow, it would make no difference, as the problem is the hidden soviet structures that are in charge in Russia and are infecting the countries of the world.

Putin, even before the eeevil U.S. missile shield, was aiding and abetting every communist/leftist organization on the planet, even paying agents of disinformation who imagined Alex-Jones type conspiracy theories in Spanish speaking news papers. (I’m referring to one of the “spies” busted awhile back; she was ignored, as the focus was on the hot red head at the time. The propagandist got a new job at the Moscow Times, and Alex Jones parrots her views.)

Russia is not our friend, and Putin is not merely reacting to the eeevil Westerners who don’t want to be his friend. He is pursuing long term Soviet goals aimed at, ultimately, uniting east and west under communist terms, and this may conclude with a nuclear exchange at some point, with us on the bad end of it.


3 posted on 03/15/2014 11:48:45 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
"Putin, even before the eeevil U.S. missile shield, was aiding and abetting every communist/leftist organization on the planet, even paying agents of disinformation who imagined Alex-Jones type conspiracy theories in Spanish speaking news papers. (I’m referring to one of the “spies” busted awhile back; she was ignored, as the focus was on the hot red head at the time. The propagandist got a new job at the Moscow Times, and Alex Jones parrots her views.)"

What is your point about Alex Jones? He's a communist dupe? And do American leftist groups need any help from Putin? They seem to be doing quite all right - very motivated and very well-funded - on their own. And is Putin promoting "communism" or Russian revivalism, Russian nationalism? It seems to me to be the latter.
4 posted on 03/16/2014 12:10:13 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: nickcarraway

Putin is clearly paranoid. Somehow he imagines that the EU is scheming to gain operational control over the Russian gas industry, move NATO directly against the Russian border, spread Homosexuality inside Russia, and organize and fund internal political movements that are friendly to the EU gas and banking schemes.
Clearly he is paranoid./


5 posted on 03/16/2014 12:19:23 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
What is your point about Alex Jones? He's a communist dupe?

Yes, the information he displays is not very different from what known agents of Moscow put forward, or what occurs in Moscow controlled media, believe it or not. Jones is not incredibly original.

And do American leftist groups need any help from Putin?

Read books like "I lived Four Lives: Communist, Citizen, Counterspy," and you'll see that soviet involvement in "leftist groups" has always been very heavy, and is still ongoing.

And is Putin promoting "communism" or Russian revivalism, Russian nationalism? It seems to me to be the latter.

There is a different between nationalism and patriotism, the latter being what we have in the United States. The former being the cause between, say, Russian soldiers burning an American flag and saying "We are coming for you!". (There was a video like that during the Georgian war.) Nationalism in Russia is more of the cult of personality method, more Naziish, and everything is controlled by the state, even the other parties; and, I will add, voter participation in Russia is notoriously low, and Putin's rate of winning, and the manner behind it, is notoriously fraudulent.

6 posted on 03/16/2014 12:29:42 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: elhombrelibre
What we are not being told by our media - Obama propping up fascist radicals...
http://scgnews.com/the-ukraine-crisis-what-youre-not-being-told
7 posted on 03/16/2014 12:30:08 AM PDT by griffin
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To: nickcarraway

>> Wow, this writer is totally ignorant of geopolitics.

Pathetic psyops.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 12:31:32 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: griffin

Follow the money - these world regional conflicts are about central banks maintaining the petrodollar.


9 posted on 03/16/2014 12:34:13 AM PDT by griffin
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To: DesertRhino
Putin is trying to create a Eurasian Union. That's why he gave $15 billion to the Ukraine last fall.

Besides, Russia has existed long before Putin. Russia always has to be concerned about the Ukraine for security.

10 posted on 03/16/2014 12:36:27 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: DesertRhino
Putin is clearly paranoid.

You're clearly clueless. We've seen two real, not imaginary, attempts at false flag ops here (Syria and Ukraine) in the last six months and seeing that for what it is isn't paranoia. Somebody in our state department is suffering from paranoia, Putin is not.

11 posted on 03/16/2014 3:27:42 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: elhombrelibre

He sure does look paranoid and cornered. Oh wait, that's Obama with Netanyahu.

12 posted on 03/16/2014 3:33:49 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: varmintman

How do you know they were false flag ops?


13 posted on 03/16/2014 3:49:02 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

I don’t do other people’s homework for them.


14 posted on 03/16/2014 3:50:58 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: DesertRhino
You left out that Putin thinks the west is always trying to weaken Russia and was responsible for the break up of the Russian empire.

The simple fact is that Putin is trying to put the empire back together. First Crimea, then the rest of the Ukraine.

The Chinese, on the other hand, are engaged in building a new empire and are systematically building it out to the furthest island chain they can reach.

The American response, in both cases, is encouraging more aggressive behavior. You have to acknowledge the fact that at least Putin and the Chinese have a foreign policy.

15 posted on 03/16/2014 3:57:06 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: varmintman; DesertRhino

I’m pretty sure DesertRhino was being sarcastic. I never use /sarc tags either.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 3:58:33 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: varmintman

That’s as good a way of not having to justify outlandish claims as any I suppose.


17 posted on 03/16/2014 4:13:57 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

We do have a policy, it’s a vacuum of action, with boatload of words. Nice words no doubt, but as effective as words are when they always describe actions never taken.

DK


18 posted on 03/16/2014 4:39:49 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
"Putin, even before the eeevil U.S. missile shield, was aiding and abetting every communist/leftist organization on the planet"

Except the party of the democrat and obama? Isn't the party of the democrat a communist/leftist organization?

19 posted on 03/16/2014 4:51:08 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: Dark Knight
Yes, Obama plans to make peace simply through the strength of his personality. He is a delusional narcissist surrounded by like minded people. The result will be disasterous.
20 posted on 03/16/2014 4:54:01 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: varmintman
"You're clearly clueless. We've seen two real, not imaginary, attempts at false flag ops here (Syria and Ukraine) in the last six months and seeing that for what it is isn't paranoia. Somebody in our state department is suffering from paranoia, Putin is not. "

While I agree with you, I think you are gong to get slammed by some who love obama, but hate Putin, love the party of the democrat and RINOs, but claim to hate communism.

21 posted on 03/16/2014 4:55:19 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
the problem is the hidden soviet structures that are in charge in Russia

Brilliant observation just add Iran's mental illness inside Iran to your list.

22 posted on 03/16/2014 5:25:33 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Surveillance means you already are a subject of the government. Smile and bow!)
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To: elhombrelibre

I like Russia more than the EU. We need to post more hit pieces on the EU.


23 posted on 03/16/2014 5:59:40 AM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp

The West or US doesn’t understand when Hitler invaded Ukraine on it’s way to Russia he was hail by the people and Russia watched in horror.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 6:10:28 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: SkyPilot

Of the two men, Putin and Obama, if I had to ascribe ‘paranoid’ or mentally ill or any other ‘head’ issues to one of them, it would be Obama. We already know he’s a flaming narcissist, to the peril of America ... and that’s just for starters.


25 posted on 03/16/2014 6:14:02 AM PDT by Qiviut (It's hard to be a donk if you're sane & it's hard to be a pubbie if you have any integrity.)
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To: scooby321
The West or US doesn’t understand when Hitler invaded Ukraine on it’s way to Russia he was hail by the people and Russia watched in horror.

That's because Russia had already militarily occupied Ukraine and wanted it for itself.

26 posted on 03/16/2014 6:26:38 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: impimp
I like Russia more than the EU. We need to post more hit pieces on the EU.

Russian-state-owned media is for you, then.

27 posted on 03/16/2014 6:27:31 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: scooby321

Less than ten years earlier the Russians of the Soviet Union killed millions of Ukrainians and others in the Ukraine in what is now termed as the Holodomor genocide. Consequently, many Ukrainians were grateful to almost anyone no matter how nasty who would help them to avenge Ukrainians against the people who murdered millions of Ukranians by the artificial famine, political terrorism, and police state executions.


28 posted on 03/16/2014 6:38:58 AM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX

The thing about wanting to exterminate Jews didn’t particularly bother most Ukrainians at the time. Many of the apparatchiks involved in Holodomor and the razkulachivaniya programs had been Jewish and between Poles, Ukrainians, and Jews there had never been much love lost. Ukrainians often spoke of ridding Ukraine of both the ‘Yid’ and the ‘Yack’ (the Jew and the Pollack)... There would be something wrong if there were not some number of unreconstructed Nazis walking around in the Ukraine but, by the same token, every family in Russia lost at least one person to the Nazi onslaught and there is no reason to think Russians would be happy about Nazis taking over the Ukraine now.


29 posted on 03/16/2014 6:47:51 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

The current leaders of the Ukraine are overwhelmingly ethnic Russians and want to have nothing whatsoever to do with being a part of Russia or living under Russian autocratic control. They too remember all too well waht happens to people living under the control of the KGB, NKVD,and CHEKA secret police of which Putin is a former and current officer. While there are most certainly a number of NZI sympathizers in the Ukraine, they have no political representation in the Ukraine and no significant influence upon the governance of the Ukraine. Stalin and his successors in Russia turned against the Jews, so Russia is no better than soem of the worst Ukrainians with respect to the safety of those victimized populations, and they are a lot worse given the current Ukrainian mood of puting an end to such discriminations.

Parroting Putin’s increasingly strident and false propaganda accusing Ukrainians of NAZI atrocities makes you a rather obvious apologist for the Russian crimes currently being perpetrated in the Ukraine and In Russia as well, as russian opponents of the Putin regime are being arrrested, abducted, and/or intimidated for their opposition to Putin’s incresingly autocratic regime.


30 posted on 03/16/2014 7:08:29 AM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: elhombrelibre

Paranoid people think other people are paranoid.


31 posted on 03/16/2014 7:09:27 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
If Putin was were dethroned tomorrow, it would make no difference, as the problem is the hidden soviet structures that are in charge in Russia and are infecting the countries of the world weak, ineffective, feckless Western leaders elected by decadent Westerners who're living in a dream world and cannot bring themselves to face reality.
32 posted on 03/16/2014 7:16:33 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Remember the Charge of the Light Brigade? It was because Russia wanted Crimea, and lost it in the Crimean War of 1853-1856, against an alliance of France, Britain, the Ottoman Empire, and Sardinia.

Officially their excuse at the time was that they wanted to protect the Russia Orthodox Christians in Crimea from the Catholics and Muslims. Though in practical terms, the reason is that Crimea offers Russia a warm water port for its navy.

This matters so much to Russia that when the Soviet Union was falling apart, they insisted on a 50 year lease on the port in exchange for peacefully allowing Ukraine to leave; but even in their decrepit state, Russia would have been willing to fight Ukraine for Crimea.

The most recent problem was Ukraine’s overtures to Europe, as that could have effectively neutered Russia’s navy in Crimea. But with the horrific H1N1 influenza that devastated and terrified Ukraine, they foolishly threw out their pro-western government and voted in a pro-Russian government.

Russia was all sweetness and light to Ukraine with a pro-Russian government, until it was so obnoxious that it was recently overthrown. And Russia so counted on Ukraine being friendly, and even becoming a close ally, that its invasion of Crimea represents “sour grapes”.


33 posted on 03/16/2014 7:32:22 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
The most recent problem was Ukraine’s overtures to Europe, as that could have effectively neutered Russia’s navy in Crimea. But with the horrific H1N1 influenza that devastated and terrified Ukraine, they foolishly threw out their pro-western government and voted in a pro-Russian government.

You have some reason for not believing in democracy??

34 posted on 03/16/2014 9:49:28 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

Democracy can make bad mistakes immediately after disasters. In this case, the public blamed the pro-western government for failing to deal with the terrible flu epidemic that killed a lot of Ukrainians.


35 posted on 03/16/2014 10:44:13 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Sounds more to me like they had a choice of going with the EU/IMF/Soros/Rothschild monetary system (like Italy, Portugal, and Ireland) or going with Russia, i.e. they decided they’d rather live than die...


36 posted on 03/16/2014 1:01:54 PM PDT by varmintman
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