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Crimeans vote on union with Russia as troops build up rapidly
Reuters live coverage of events around the world. ^ | 16 March 2014 | Brian Tracey

Posted on 03/16/2014 9:58:15 AM PDT by Errant

SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine/KIEV (Reuters) - Crimeans voted in a referendum on Sunday on whether to break away from Ukraine and join Russia, with Kiev accusing Moscow of rapidly building up its armed forces on...

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bhorussia; crimea; crimeareferendum; putin; ukraine; war
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To: Paleo Conservative
I've gotten reports that the Russians are sending in lots of men and supplies to Moldova which is located between Romania and Ukraine.

That could may be a strategic move to cut off support of insurgency based out of Western Ukraine. It does seem to indicate they are indeed going after Eastern Ukraine tho.

21 posted on 03/16/2014 10:55:51 AM PDT by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: Ingtar
NO does not appear on the referendum.

:-)

22 posted on 03/16/2014 10:56:33 AM PDT by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: Errant

They have their sights on all of The Ukraine, and every other former Soviet territory.


23 posted on 03/16/2014 10:57:00 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Errant

We encourage Kosovo to break away, then get upset when Russia tries to do the same in Crimea. What’s good for the goose, right?


24 posted on 03/16/2014 10:57:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I suppose what we did in Kosovo is ok, then.


25 posted on 03/16/2014 10:59:29 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dfwgator

Yep, ‘em chickens are coming home to roast alright. O is getting paid back with his ‘own coin’...


26 posted on 03/16/2014 10:59:52 AM PDT by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: soycd

Those two clowns would never dare to be standing there if they were in Russia.

But in the US they have privileged status.


27 posted on 03/16/2014 11:02:02 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: dfwgator; Errant
We encourage Kosovo to break away, then get upset when Russia tries to do the same in Crimea. What’s good for the goose, right?

We weren't in any way trying to add Kosovo as a territory or state in the US. There's a very big difference!

28 posted on 03/16/2014 11:02:21 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Errant

I think is plus 2 ahead of GMT time. That makes 9 hours ahead of EST.


29 posted on 03/16/2014 11:02:47 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: 1rudeboy

Of course not....But it’s the height of hypocrisy on our part to suddenly be the “Conscience of the World” against Russia.


30 posted on 03/16/2014 11:03:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“We encourage Kosovo to break away, then get upset when Russia tries to do the same in Crimea. What’s good for the goose, right?”

The internationally recognized right to self-determination is satisfied when a defined group is able to exercise its own choice regarding its political future. On July 2010, the International Court decided that the declaration of independence of Kosovo did not violate general international law, basically because the international law contains no prohibition on declarations of independence. WHY would be any different for the Republic of Crimea, who declared already its independence from Ukraine prior to the referendum?


31 posted on 03/16/2014 11:04:11 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Ingtar

“Are they voting for YES - A or YES - B?”

FALSE.

The voters are given two choices on the ballot during the Crimean referendum; the voters being able to choose only one:

1) in favor of the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a part of the Russian Federation

2) in favor of restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 11:08:00 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
From your selection:

According to current principles of state practice, most recently used to analyze the secessions of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, and Macedonia, minorities within existing states can secede as a means to gain self-determination only when they meet the following six criteria for self-determination: (1) the existence of a distinct, self-defined group within a state that overwhelmingly supports separatism; (2) a legitimate claim to the territory; (3) a pattern of systematic discrimination or exploitation against a sizable, self-defined minority; (4) the central government's rejection of compromise solutions; (5) the prospect of the territory and people concerned becoming a viable state; and (6) the effect of granting or refusing self-determination on regional and international peace, the effectuation of authoritative governmental processes and respect for human rights, and the impact on both regional and global value processes.

33 posted on 03/16/2014 11:08:07 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; dfwgator
I suppose what we did in Kosovo is ok, then.

The Serbs were engaging in ethnic cleansing. The US didn't annex Kosovo as a territory or colony.

34 posted on 03/16/2014 11:08:31 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Marguerite

I don’t think there is much doubt which way this vote is going anyway.


35 posted on 03/16/2014 11:09:27 AM PDT by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: Marguerite

The question should have been solved in 1994. Crimea only belonged to Ukraine because of a drunken Khrushchev trying to atone for his sins as Stalin’s man in the Ukraine.


36 posted on 03/16/2014 11:11:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Paleo Conservative; dfwgator
We weren't in any way trying to add Kosovo as a territory or state...

Kosovo didn't border the US or offer an all weather port either.

37 posted on 03/16/2014 11:12:12 AM PDT by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: dfwgator

“The question should have been solved in 1994. Crimea only belonged to Ukraine because of a drunken Khrushchev trying to atone for his sins as Stalin’s man in the Ukraine.”

Correct!


38 posted on 03/16/2014 11:12:23 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite; Errant
I think is plus 2 ahead of GMT time. That makes 9 hours ahead of EST.

Wrong! I've been to all the time zones involved. It is 2 hours ahead of GMT, but GMT is just 5 hours ahead of EST not 7. They haven't gone on daylight savings time yet, to it is currently only 6 hours ahead of EDT.

39 posted on 03/16/2014 11:13:04 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Marguerite; dfwgator

The Crimean Tatars don’t want to be under the control of Russia.


40 posted on 03/16/2014 11:14:07 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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